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masternerdguy
Gallente Point of No Return Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:27:00 -
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How do you pve in lo sec when surrounded by hostiles? Well, you do it the same way PUNT did it a few months back: HACs.
Let's look at the specifications of the HAC. 1. It has a tank superior to your pve raven. 2. It has DPS superior to your pve raven. 3. It costs about the same to fit as your PVE raven. 4. It's faster than your pve raven.
So, lets assume ur in lo sec with yourself, and a couple of reds. Well, your MWDing HAC and a little personal responsibility will let you get away from pirates. If you don't like the odds, why not bring a few buddies along? You'll tear through level 4s in PVP fitted hacs like butter. And best of all, they are pvp fitted so they can survive in the non-pve oriented lo sec.
So, get a HAC.
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Leaving Eve
Boo Hoo Federation
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:30:00 -
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Or just join an alliance / get blue to an alliance that are the 'locals'. Works wonders for me
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The Wintersmith
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: The Wintersmith on 28/05/2009 20:35:00 JUST **** OFF WITH THE THREADS ALREADY
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Matrix Skye
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy Well, your MWDing HAC...
You can't MWD in deadspace. Well, atleast not yet.
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masternerdguy
Gallente Point of No Return Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: masternerdguy Well, your MWDing HAC...
You can't MWD in deadspace. Well, atleast not yet.
i know, but the MWD still helps you escape gate camps, station camps, belts, and non deadpsace mission areas.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:33:00 -
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what mission runner know about hacs
like a paradox has open OFFLINE[ONLINE]
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Matrix Skye
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:37:00 -
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I think a good solution would be for NPCs to split aggro when anyone else shows up. It would even things up a bit.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:39:00 -
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Better yet, get a T3 cruiser, you'll be practically invincible. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Matrix Skye
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Better yet, get a T3 cruiser, you'll be practically invincible.
there'd be so many scan probes out you'd think you've reached the headquarters of SETI .
There's NO WAY you could ever do a mission in peace in lo-sec and in a T3.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye
Originally by: Abrazzar Better yet, get a T3 cruiser, you'll be practically invincible.
there'd be so many scan probes out you'd think you've reached the headquarters of SETI .
There's NO WAY you could ever do a mission in peace in lo-sec and in a T3.
Our covops are so numerous, their probes will blot out the sun? -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Hari Markkus
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C what mission runner know about hacs
Well, personally, I have run hundreds of missions in a HAC. I admit, I have run a lot more in a Raven.
The main reason I would not use a HAC in low sec is the replacement cost. Missions are about making money and it would take more missions to replace a HAC as opposed to a Raven.
Also a HAC cannot handle some of the more intense level fours. It has a damage mitigation tank, but the amount of damage being dealt at the start of some missions means that you need a buffer tank to be able to absorb the damage while you reduce the incoming DPS to a manageable level.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.28 21:14:00 -
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Ok, I'll be trolled.
1. 400 dps tank is enough 2. DPS at short range may be superior, but sniper HACs either have the DPS of a wet noodle or no tracking to speak of. Or both. 3. Not after insurance payout. A HAC is about 100M more expensive to lose. 4. Ok, you got me there
Moreover, who flies a standard fit Raven other than brand new characters? By the time you have the SP to fit and fly a HAC effectively you'll be in a CNR with at least a few faction goodies. Good luck matching a 600 dps permatank and 700 DPS of any damage type at 100km in any HAC including the Ishtar (which is just a very expensive domi with medium guns).
Missioning in lowsec is stupid, stupid, STUPID. Your ISK/hour plummets every time you have to dock up to wait out reds in local. If you're going to do that might as well rat in alliance space. It's better income, friendlier people and fewer ganktards smacking about their epeens in local.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/05/2009 23:05:38
HAC, HIC, CS, or BS, us pirates will still be out there waiting to probe your ass. edit: that last part didn't sound right. edit again: but it's still true no matter how you interpret it.
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ARALIEUS
Traumark Logistics
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:21:00 -
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Moving Lvl 4's to low sec isnt the solution imo, too dangerous for 1 and eventually the loss would be more than the profits! Who came up with this idea anyway Ara |
Gaius Balthazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: ARALIEUS Moving Lvl 4's to low sec isnt the solution imo, too dangerous for 1 and eventually the loss would be more than the profits! Who came up with this idea anyway
Obviously its all about moving soft, fat, rich targets to lo sec for easy pirate money. Unfortunately, the low seccers are finding out why no one builds corporate headquarters in high crime ghettos. |
Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 28/05/2009 23:53:38
Quote: Our covops are so numerous, their probes will blot out the sunn?
Obligatory T3 will fight in the shade! response.
What other people said. Hard earned, painfull experience teaches: Mission and rat in Lo and 0 with the cheapest thing you can effectively do it in, no matter your standings or how many blues are around, and that aint a HAC. Unless you're bait, of course.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy How do you pve in lo sec when surrounded by hostiles? Well, you do it the same way PUNT did it a few months back: HACs.
Let's look at the specifications of the HAC. 1. It has a tank superior to your pve raven. 2. It has DPS superior to your pve raven. 3. It costs about the same to fit as your PVE raven. 4. It's faster than your pve raven.
So, lets assume ur in lo sec with yourself, and a couple of reds. Well, your MWDing HAC and a little personal responsibility will let you get away from pirates. If you don't like the odds, why not bring a few buddies along? You'll tear through level 4s in PVP fitted hacs like butter. And best of all, they are pvp fitted so they can survive in the non-pve oriented lo sec.
So, get a HAC.
Get off the internet, you tool factory
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Black Bryony
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Posted - 2009.05.29 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/05/2009 23:05:38
HAC, HIC, CS, or BS, us pirates will still be out there waiting to probe your ass. edit: that last part didn't sound right. edit again: but it's still true no matter how you interpret it.
This is the best post in any of these lvl4/losec threads, including the ones I didn't read.
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Laedy
NQX Innovations The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.05.29 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Laedy on 29/05/2009 01:28:01 LOL
I've scanned down and killed a few missioning HAC's before. They are in no way invulnerable to pirates. But go right ahead and bring them over! At least they put up a better fight than a mission raven.
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Valenthe
Amarr Point of No Return Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Valenthe on 29/05/2009 11:22:40 Seriously Masternedguy, stop %^$úing posting before you find yourself corpless >_>
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StationSpinner
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Valenthe Edited by: Valenthe on 29/05/2009 11:22:40 Seriously Masternedguy, stop %^$úing posting before you find yourself corpless >_>
No no, it's quite alright - it lets him show what a big bunch of tools his corp/alliance is composed of, as I believe that he and his threads are representative of your entire organisation
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jrambox
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy How do you pve in lo sec when surrounded by hostiles? Well, you do it the same way PUNT did it a few months back: HACs.
Let's look at the specifications of the HAC. 1. It has a tank superior to your pve raven. 2. It has DPS superior to your pve raven. 3. It costs about the same to fit as your PVE raven. 4. It's faster than your pve raven.
So, lets assume ur in lo sec with yourself, and a couple of reds. Well, your MWDing HAC and a little personal responsibility will let you get away from pirates. If you don't like the odds, why not bring a few buddies along? You'll tear through level 4s in PVP fitted hacs like butter. And best of all, they are pvp fitted so they can survive in the non-pve oriented lo sec.
So, get a HAC.
GTFO of the internet...
And no, I am not getting a HAC because my golem ****s hacs for breakfast. And noway I am brining my 3billion mission ship and hg crystal set to lowsec you ***got.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy How do you pve in lo sec when surrounded by hostiles? Well, you do it the same way PUNT did it a few months back: HACs.
Let's look at the specifications of the HAC. 1. It has a tank superior to your pve raven. 2. It has DPS superior to your pve raven. 3. It costs about the same to fit as your PVE raven. 4. It's faster than your pve raven.
So, lets assume ur in lo sec with yourself, and a couple of reds. Well, your MWDing HAC and a little personal responsibility will let you get away from pirates. If you don't like the odds, why not bring a few buddies along? You'll tear through level 4s in PVP fitted hacs like butter. And best of all, they are pvp fitted so they can survive in the non-pve oriented lo sec.
So, get a HAC.
Yes.
Your HAC will safely fight off 2-3 PvP fit pirate ships while absorbing 400dps of NPC firepower. This is why HACs are the new capships dont you know?
Low sec is a ******ed place to try and NPC, regardless of what incentives you put in place. Ratting in 0.0 is more profitable and safer. People will take a cut in profitability to maintain their safety - I'm afraid you low-sec pirate types are never going to get the swarms of bloated expensively fitted mission ships that you want.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.05.29 12:07:00 -
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OP is wrong. To do missions in safety in lowsec you need a macroish name, a nice cluster of courier L4s and a stack of istabbed Badger IIs.
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Ryusoath Orillian
Minmatar INDUSTIENCE
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Posted - 2009.05.29 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Let's look at the specifications of the HAC. 1. It has a tank superior to your pve raven. - NO 2. It has DPS superior to your pve raven. - NOT WITH A TANK 3. It costs about the same to fit as your PVE raven. - LOL NO 4. It's faster than your pve raven. - NOT AT COMPLETING MISSIONS
have you ever given any serious thought to suicide? if i were you i would.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.29 13:02:00 -
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Take a multi-billion isk fit ship (I know a lot of people with (9bil+ fits) out into lowsec for gankage? not gonna happen well some poeple are stupid but you know most people wont.
You know for a fact the if they move level 4's to low sec most people just run level 3's, then people will call for level 3's to be moved out that way. So the people will just do level 2's or mine etc.
There are a massive amount of people who are just pure empire rats, they wont go into lowsec/0.0 even if you move the missions. Just look at level 5's they earn so much more (not really isk bounties but the isk you make from running them for LP far beats level 4's). Yes inspite of this most people wont risk then because of the fear of pew-pew.
Im all for reviewing the missions but simlpy moving them wont work down to the fact that a pve fit is a fail fit for pvp. Make missions harder is a great option, make mission AI make the pvp fit a must is another etc.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2009.05.29 13:21:00 -
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I ran in a few Caldari Militia plex fleets with masterNERDguy. FC couldnt get a word in with his constant yammering about crazy stuff like T2 Rokhs etc.
Nice to see he hasn't changed, still a complete tool.
BTW, thanks CCP for the Lvl 4 highsec support. Seems constant complaints to cause nerfs like "FALCON" doesnt always work.
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sxndy
Gallente Snuff inc
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Posted - 2009.05.29 13:47:00 -
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I've been in thousands of missions in low sec and only lost a few ships through my own stupidity. I really can't stress enough how safe it is to enter missions in low sec.
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Indiference
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.05.29 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: sxndy
I've been in thousands of missions in low sec and only lost a few ships through my own stupidity. I really can't stress enough how safe it is to enter missions in low sec.
LOL yes that's right this is EVE where there are no scams no baiting no serious PVP in lowsec and most of all where you are perfectly safe running lvl 4 missions in lowsec with a HAC, come on, a HAC ? Tell you what, you first, me never. |
Takon Orlani
Caldari Rowdy Ramblers Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.29 14:35:00 -
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I am disappoint.
ROWDY WANTS YOU!! |
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