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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.28 09:25:00 -
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After taking stock of where I have gone over last few eyars on my char, I am at point now I realize just how badly I am fubar'd in LP. The Idea came to me of getting a one shot, once off reskill of all LP per account for life of the game.
For myself having spent over 17 mil SP on pvp related skills an a wide assortment of small ships, I figure it would be nice to see a total reskill so we can relocate all SP to a new field.
I know for me it means I can change my skills to a "Nyx" or maybe a "HIC" an go back to 0.0,or even just to get a Golem an focus on Caldari skills....(just as a for instance)
I cant really see a downside to this matter but I am sure if this forum can find one, they will :)
Discuss ?
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zill After taking stock of where I have gone over last few eyars on my char, I am at point now I realize just how badly I am fubar'd in LP. The Idea came to me of getting a one shot, once off reskill of all LP per account for life of the game.
For myself having spent over 17 mil SP on pvp related skills an a wide assortment of small ships, I figure it would be nice to see a total reskill so we can relocate all SP to a new field.
I know for me it means I can change my skills to a "Nyx" or maybe a "HIC" an go back to 0.0,or even just to get a Golem an focus on Caldari skills....(just as a for instance)
I cant really see a downside to this matter but I am sure if this forum can find one, they will :)
Discuss ?
What exactly are you asking for?
To reallocate your loyalty points or your skill points?
It's not really clear in your post.
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.28 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros What exactly are you asking for?
To reallocate your loyalty points or your skill points?
It's not really clear in your post.
I think he's pretty clear. He wants to pay all his lp to be able to reallocate all his SP.
That way he can spend all his lp on random crap, sell it, and then be able to reallocate all his skills for nothing.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:06:00 -
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LOL how you worked out a scam from my post is truly a work of art, no really it is..... lol
What I mean is to take all the SP we have in skills an flat line it... then if I have say "23 million SP" let me change my focus on what I have skilled to something new, say I want to focus my char on Caldari only, instead of the setup I have now where I can fly all race(exept Mimitar) ships up to an including BS to maybe only fly Caldari ships.... It would also alow me to remove the 8 mil in Gunnery an drop it all into Missles.
There is no scam involved at all, LP never even got mentioned, please stop trolling when someone asks a valid an serious question ok mate...? cheers.
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Craer
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:22:00 -
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5 letters :
NEVER
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Craer 5 letters :
NEVER
This. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jago Asil
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.28 11:52:00 -
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Please no. I liken it to making a mistake. In PvP, mistake = dead. You buy a new ship. In skills, mistake = time spent. You train a different skill. No need to change anything.
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Originally by: Zill After taking stock of where I have gone over last few eyars on my char, I am at point now I realize just how badly I am fubar'd in LP. The Idea came to me of getting a one shot, once off reskill of all LP per account for life of the game. ...
... is where you mentioned LP. (It's somewhat clear what you meant, but that isn't the point.)
*mrp*
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.05.28 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Craer NEVER
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.28 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zill There is no scam involved at all, LP never even got mentioned, please stop trolling when someone asks a valid an serious question ok mate...? cheers.
I see it mentioned twice....
(Oh, and the idea is complete nonsense and gamebreaking)
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Craer 5 letters :
NEVER
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zill After taking stock of where I have gone over last few eyars on my char, I am at point now I realize just how badly I am fubar'd in LP. The Idea came to me of getting a one shot, once off reskill of all LP per account for life of the game.
Most of your support skills are needed for HIC or Nyx. Racial frig/cruiser/BS is prereq. The only truely "wasted" SP would be the T2 ship skills. Which, based on your mension of wide assortment, aren't trained to level V and only amount to a few million.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:42:00 -
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You are free to train other stuff...
It's not like you choose Shamans and have to deal with it forever.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.28 23:59:00 -
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Now that I see it, the LP mention at start was a mistake, as is obvious. It isnt game breaking in anyway, since you can only ever do it once in the life of the char, you would prolly see it happen more in the chars like me that have been round since 03. oh an yes, I have all the low end frigs crusiers to V an a few 4's since I was mostly enyo pvp...You are welcome to look on www.eve-sheet.com to see my char.
Point stands it is a good idea for those of us who wasted a crap load of SP on stuff we don't use anymore (I use only missles) yet have nearly 7 mil in gunnery, an 8.1+ mil in ships that I dont fly anymore.
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Dear Abby
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Posted - 2009.05.29 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zill Edited by: Zill on 28/05/2009 23:59:49 After taking stock of where I have gone over last few eyars on my char, I am at point now I realize just how badly I am fubar'd in SP. The Idea came to me of getting a one shot, once off reskill of all SP per account for life of the game.
For myself having spent over 17 mil SP on pvp related skills an a wide assortment of small ships, I figure it would be nice to see a total reskill so we can relocate all SP to a new field.
I know for me it means I can change my skills to a "Nyx" or maybe a "HIC" an go back to 0.0,or even just to get a Golem an focus on Caldari skills....(just as a for instance)
I cant really see a downside to this matter but I am sure if this forum can find one, they will :)
Discuss ?
So your are finally realizing all the bad choices you've made have one thing in common ; you.
You don't need a reskill just focus on training the skills you want now and go for it. The downside is that were that allowed you would have people remap to excel at a skill tree - training them at a higher rate then changing to a broad base of skills that would have trained slower.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.29 03:54:00 -
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that is possible,but CCP have proven to be up to it as far as crackin down on exploits,an as my idea is a one shot deal I dare say people wouldn't just use it for the "uber" skill tree
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:58:00 -
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One of the reasons this never have (and hopefully never will) happened is because the "mistakes" we do, is something we all have to take the consequences of. Never players got the advantage of having guides, and experienced players around, to give tips. Older players had the disadvantage of having a limited market, ship selection, etc.
I.e. over time the older players are more likely to have "wasted" skillpoints, at the same time they are sp-superior, as well as have an experience-advantage.
Younger players have a choice to streamline to catch up/"be even" with the older. If we all get a chance to relocate our skillpoints, it will make the older players even get even more advantage skillpoint wise.. while the younger more likely will relocate a very tiny % of their skills.
It's quite obvious this isn't "fair" in any way. I'm not gonna say that is right or wrong, just stating the effect that your suggestion would have on the game. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.05.29 05:13:00 -
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The only thing ACCEPTABLE would be to forget some training.
They could add a Mad Scientist that would pay you to make BrainWash experiments. He removes unwanted skills and pays you.
NO skill relocation, it would be game breaking.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.05.29 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zill For myself having spent over 17 mil SP on pvp related skills an a wide assortment of small ships, I figure it would be nice to see a total reskill so we can relocate all SP to a new field.
I cant really see a downside to this matter but I am sure if this forum can find one, they will :)
For one thing, it would render attributes, neural remaps and implants obsolete. You're skill training time varies depending on attributes so if you've invested 20m SPs in primarily per/will skills for example, had you spent that same time on int/mem skills, that number may have only been 17m. Perhaps if any SPs were normalised such that you only get as many as you would have were you training it with their respective attributes, as they would have been at the time, it wouldn't completely destroy balance.
As a vet though, how bad can your character really be? Presumably you have all, if not most of the ancilliary/cross-class skills at 4s-5s, retraining shouldn't be too much harder than simply buying a new Spaceship Command skill. -------------
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.29 22:58:00 -
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oh hell na mate, I am X trained now in all races (except Mimitarr up to frigs)....But because I moved to CNR, I don't use all that SP I put into gunnery nor do I fly pvp anymore so all the sp I put into small ships is wasted.But I cant denigh I would like that 18 mil I wasted to remap into Missles an Golem. Giving me an edge into Carriers (CAP training is hell)
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.05.30 11:46:00 -
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And then you would dump the skills and be back here next year asking for another reskill to get your gunnery and small ship skills back because you're tired of carriers.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.30 14:04:00 -
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lol this forum never disappoints, so now I am flighty because I have an opinion on what I would like to see happen, gawd n bennet some people ere need to pull their heads out of their collective arses. At my age son If I make adesision I stick wiv it yer, but as this is a computer game an its the first time I've made a suggestion since 03, I think due....don't you ?
pillok
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General Trajan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.30 15:30:00 -
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i think it's a bad idea. and my reason for that is i do not want FOTM chasers off the hook for their mistakes.
and as for the skills you feel that are wasted, i think they are not. they are there if you ever decide that you want to hop in a T2 frig and go into low/null sec and embarrass sombody.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.05.30 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zill At my age son If I make adesision I stick wiv it yer,
If you stick with your decisions, why do you need a reskill?
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zill lol this forum never disappoints, so now I am flighty because I have an opinion on what I would like to see happen, gawd n bennet some people ere need to pull their heads out of their collective arses. At my age son If I make adesision I stick wiv it yer, but as this is a computer game an its the first time I've made a suggestion since 03, I think due....don't you ?
pillok
Spelling is overrated. -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zill Edited by: Zill on 28/05/2009 23:59:49 After taking stock of where I have gone over last few eyars on my char, I am at point now I realize just how badly I am fubar'd in SP. The Idea came to me of getting a one shot, once off reskill of all SP per account for life of the game.
For myself having spent over 17 mil SP on pvp related skills an a wide assortment of small ships, I figure it would be nice to see a total reskill so we can relocate all SP to a new field.
I know for me it means I can change my skills to a "Nyx" or maybe a "HIC" an go back to 0.0,or even just to get a Golem an focus on Caldari skills....(just as a for instance)
I cant really see a downside to this matter but I am sure if this forum can find one, they will :)
Discuss ?
Hopefully "reskilling" will never, ever happen. Older players have enough advantages already, and FoTM flying happens too much as well.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.05.30 22:47:00 -
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Just imagine Dr Zaius dropping all his Int/Mem skill-points into Per/Wil skills and continue training the Int/Mem ones like before... -----------------------------------------------
Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Craer 5 letters :
NEVER
People also said never when people brought up the issue of respecing base attributes.
If i've learned one thing from Thunderball rip offs, Never say never again.
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Lunewraith
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.31 13:00:00 -
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I hate this thread. I want it to go away.
That said, SP re-allocation is a terrible idea. Makes no sense from a practical standpoint - a carpenter cannot reallocate his apprenticeship and become a ER physician. If he wants to train to become one, fine but the knowledgebase he's acquired remains (he'll still be able to remodel his cabinets upon completion of med school).
You want to 'reskill' bad enough there is a sanctioned way to do it via character trading. Take your crap character and trade for a focused character with the characteristics you desire.
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.05.31 18:17:00 -
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The problem with allowing it once per account is as soon as they allow it at all, the pressure starts building for them to allow it more often, then it becomes a "Why not?" screamfest all the time.
Look what happened in WoW. First they had respecs increasing in price, then they capped the price at 50 gold because of whining, then they had the price decay the longer you went without changing, now you can have 2 talent specs at once. Pretty soon there will be 3 or 4, I guarantee it.
I wouldn't mind reallocating a few thousand skill points, but to me it just isn't worth risking turning this game into a wow clone piece of crap.
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Andrest Disch
Amarr Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2009.05.31 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sumelar The problem with allowing it once per account is as soon as they allow it at all, the pressure starts building for them to allow it more often, then it becomes a "Why not?" screamfest all the time.
Look what happened in WoW. First they had respecs increasing in price, then they capped the price at 50 gold because of whining, then they had the price decay the longer you went without changing, now you can have 2 talent specs at once. Pretty soon there will be 3 or 4, I guarantee it.
I wouldn't mind reallocating a few thousand skill points, but to me it just isn't worth risking turning this game into a wow clone piece of crap.
But WoW has a cap on how many points you can put into skills, so they can't be compared.
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Paneth Sarrowblade
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Posted - 2009.06.01 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zill
Point stands it is a good idea for those of us who wasted a crap load of SP on stuff we don't use anymore (I use only missles) yet have nearly 7 mil in gunnery, an 8.1+ mil in ships that I dont fly anymore.
no such thing as a wasted skill, even if you dont use it you may some at some point in time, especially with turrets thats not wasted sp. You can after all train other skills. This would also be abusable as i could focus on PVE skills and then BAM! take all those pve skills and convert them to PvP skills or a carrier.
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Sumelar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Andrest Disch
Originally by: Sumelar The problem with allowing it once per account is as soon as they allow it at all, the pressure starts building for them to allow it more often, then it becomes a "Why not?" screamfest all the time.
Look what happened in WoW. First they had respecs increasing in price, then they capped the price at 50 gold because of whining, then they had the price decay the longer you went without changing, now you can have 2 talent specs at once. Pretty soon there will be 3 or 4, I guarantee it.
I wouldn't mind reallocating a few thousand skill points, but to me it just isn't worth risking turning this game into a wow clone piece of crap.
Since most of us don't have 22 years to train skills, EVE has an effective cap too. It's irrelevant anyway, a respec is the same no matter what game it's in. The point is still valid. But WoW has a cap on how many points you can put into skills, so they can't be compared.
To the OP; a resounding no.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Yakumo Smith
Originally by: Craer 5 letters :
NEVER
People also said never when people brought up the issue of respecing base attributes.
If i've learned one thing from Thunderball rip offs, Never say never again.
But they were right insofar as stat respeccing is a big advantage to older players, just as skillpoint re-assignment would be.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:50:00 -
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Even only having been playing for 9 months now, I disagree with the Neural Remapping, and think the ability to respec skill points should never ever happen. There's no limit on the skills you can train in this game. Don't like what you have now? Oh well, just train the stuff you need. You aren't going to get locked out of Gunnery because you trained Missile Launcher Operation to V. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Anyura
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Posted - 2009.06.03 15:10:00 -
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Much like the OP, I have random skillpoints in all catergoies and my character is very unfocused. The idea of SP reallocation is very appealing - perhaps they could do a system where you have to run a number of missions to increase the amount of SP you can reallocate. It could be a whole new experience for talented individuals.
Note: The above post may or may not contain hints of troll.
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:06:00 -
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Ignoring anything else, the massive FOTM flock would probably cause a pretty nasty market collapse.
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Sooke
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:03:00 -
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When it comes down to it, you may not be using the skills you'd like to re-allocate now, but chances are that you've benefited from them previously, be it ships you were able to pilot along the way, bonuses for weapons you used to use, etc. Now, that's not to say that you've used every skill you've trained, but the benefits from the skills you've obtained along the way are not as simple to weigh as you'd make it out to be. The motivation behind doing a re-allocation is a short-term desire. Tough it out with the rest of us, and you'll have those missile skills in no time ;)
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Reiisha
Evolution KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zill lol this forum never disappoints, so now I am flighty because I have an opinion on what I would like to see happen, gawd n bennet some people ere need to pull their heads out of their collective arses. At my age son If I make adesision I stick wiv it yer, but as this is a computer game an its the first time I've made a suggestion since 03, I think due....don't you ?
pillok
The people here are not being polite because this "feature" has been asked for almost since EVE went live. If you see the same question over and over and over and over and over and over..... Wouldn't you get a little annoyed? Especially since the people asking usually don't even bother spending a little time to search the forums for an answer. *cough*
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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JSheridan
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.05 22:08:00 -
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well i wish i could re skill ... however im with the majority saying it will screw the game up!!!! but i mean wat do i do with these crazy skills
http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=MjI5MTY4NDk0
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Dr Caymus
Gallente Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
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Posted - 2009.06.06 02:27:00 -
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Hmmm... well, when a similar question came up from time to time in years past regarding the possibility of changing attributes, the prevailing answer was "fat chance... it'll never happen...". Now we have the remap system. So who knows? Never say never. If enough EVElings want it, there's a good chance it could happen. |
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.06.06 12:47:00 -
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If anything provides the reason for never implementing such a feature, it's Dr. Caymus. He'd go from the smartest boffin never to have undocked to the deadliest pilot New Eden has ever seen. It would be unleashing a terror upon the galaxy the likes of which has never been seen. Except maybe for TankCEO and m00. |
Tawny Merekitain
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.07 01:23:00 -
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I like the mad scientist idea, hehe |
Tripoli
XenTech
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Posted - 2009.06.07 05:00:00 -
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I have to say I'm completely against this idea. I can understand allowing the occasional respec of your attributes, but being able to change your skills at will? I believe that a character's skills, in part, define him. It's interesting to me how you can get to know your friends and your enemies over time by what ships they can fly and which weapons they prefer. You'd lose this to some extent, and I just don't see it adding anything to the game. --- All 390 skills trained. Tripoli on EVE-Sheet.com |
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