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Caytii
Bound And Determined
MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:09:00 -
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HI, its me, again.
With the recent PVP 'training' ive had (Lost that kestrel i built...200+ Million ISK). I rebuilt it, went into 0.0 sec, and took out a cruiser and 2 frigates.
Now im wanting to PVP moar!! With bigger ships, ive got a PVP caracal, and Kestrel...im wanting a decent PVP Battleship...Minmitar or Caldari, dont mind, just the best...Isk is no problem, again. Im a missile user mainly, but open to training my guns up.
So, can you help me?
Thanks?
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Karl Kahn
Browncoat Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:16:00 -
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I fly a Dominix myself when it comes to pvp BS, but as far as Minmatar goes I've ran across a couple mean Typhoons before. Projectiles + Torps + Drones and an armor buffer tank can put out some dps.
Although the Phoon is one of the more SP intensive BS because it takes three different weapons systems, it really can shine when used right. I'd say it's ugly, but I fly a Domi so I don't have the room to speak.
I see Scorps a lot in PvP, and Ravens, thing with Caldari is though they don't really "shine" unless they are part of a fleet.
I've heard the Tempest makes a good sniper ship, but I of course cannot confirm this.
Hope it helps.
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Caytii
Bound And Determined
MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Caytii on 11/05/2009 13:18:36
I heard that the Tempest was a top dog...and a Mealstrom?
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.05.11 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 11/05/2009 13:53:20
Tempest is not so good for gang pvp, some people are doing ok in small fights where you might be able to control distance. It has low EHP and low DPS too unless you go with shield buffer which in turn doesn&t work with current armor RR BS doctrine. Extra highs and mid let you fit dual RR and maybe ECCM though. It&s also lackluster sniper due to artilleries being weakest sniper guns currently.
Not sure what you are looking for but RR gangs are dominated by Armageddon and Abaddon, for sniping best two ships are Apocalypse and Rokh. Solo PVP, dunno maybe Dominix. Maelstrom packs a helluva personal tank with decent dps but it&s active tanker, vulnerable to neutralizers and fitting tackle can be problematic.
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Kellhus Rapara
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:22:00 -
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As far as Matar goes...
For solo PvP the Typhoon is fantastic. If all you have is missile skills, fit 4 torp/cruises launchers, 2 heavy neuts, and whatever else in the last two slots, I prefer heavy smart bombs for quick drone killing. Put on a mean armor tank in the lows with some damage mods and tackle/cap recharge in mids. If you want to gang with this guy, put two remote reppers in the highs. Don't forget all the drones this thing can carry too.
For fleet/gang PvP the Maelstrom is what I prefer. You can go with an 800+ dps AC boat or fit for sniping. Of course you'd have to train for guns. Hope this helps.
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Caytii
Bound And Determined
MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:44:00 -
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I prefer being a Solo man myself, going in and out...rather quickly and quietly...in, do the deed, out, all before they call others to help them.
Hows the Raven fair for a solo PVP ship?
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.05.11 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Caytii
I prefer being a Solo man myself, going in and out...rather quickly and quietly...in, do the deed, out, all before they call others to help them.
Hows the Raven fair for a solo PVP ship?
Raven is fairly limited in it's solo capabilities due to having to fit a shield tank + tackle. That being said, a torp buffer raven does fairly well, and alternatively, implants + active tank + boosters on a torp raven gives it a very mean tank. The other problem to a solo PVp raven is the inability to have an MWD as well, meaning you better be landing within 20km of the target. Then again, battleship's role is DPS, not really solo gankmobile, and as such should have a couple of support ships.
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Murina
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.11 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Caytii
I prefer being a Solo man myself, going in and out...rather quickly and quietly...in, do the deed, out, all before they call others to help them.
Hows the Raven fair for a solo PVP ship?
Solo BS pvp is highly limited due to the warp speed, top speed and lock speed of a BS.
I suggest that if you wish to solo you use a med class hac or recon setup for pure solo work as they have the speed and abilities to actually catch, hold and kill a reasonable variety of ships while a BS does not.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:05:00 -
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IMO, Typhoon... but I'd worry more about SP than ISK.
-Liang
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:09:00 -
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The Raven is a fine solo pvp ship, the must-fit-TACKLE crowd generally ignores the idea that to pvp effectively, you don't necessarily need to stop them from running. Besides that, no BS pilot in their right mind (unless they are Gallante) would willing fly that close to a Raven anyway.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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AnKahn
Caldari
The Giant Squid Corp.
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:16:00 -
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I think solo is more of a HAC and BC thing. I wish there were more solo BS, I really do. An really you sound more like a Vagabond pilot.
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Professor Perplex
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:21:00 -
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are you solo solo or alt solo..
i mean.. do you have a tackler or really only the BS. cause i d take a geddon in low sec station docking shenanigans.
if you are activly looking in low sec or 0.0 in just a BS, you are already dead.
also.. whats this about a 200m isk kestrel ?
:psyduck:
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Misaniovent
Blood Phage Syndicate
Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Caytii
With the recent PVP 'training' ive had (Lost that kestrel i built...200+ Million ISK).
!!!
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Neuronai
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:38:00 -
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Caldari BS are pretty **** for pvp i'll be honest with you, so go for one of the Minmatar BS.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.05.11 17:40:00 -
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I'd say that the only BS that can solo effectively is the Dominix, thanks to the damage versatility of drones and the fitting versatility of 5 mids and 7 lows. And even then it'd be pretty tough; the problem with soloing in a BS is that you'll struggle to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught (and things that want to be caught can generally beat you, unless the opposing pilot has made an error of judgement).
The torp Raven is a very solid gang battleship though; and based on that, might I suggest taking out a HAM Drake as an alternative? It's the same kind of philosophy, but on the battlecruiser scale you get more mobility, faster locking times and better ability to deal damage to small things, while still maintaining a solid tank and very respectable damage. The Hurricane is also very capable on the Minmatar side.
If you're willing to spend a bit more ISK (which it sounds like you might well be if 200m ISK Kestrels are up your street  ), then HACs can generally compare to the T1 battlecruisers in terms of tank/damage while having even better lock times and mobility. The Vagabond sounds like the archetypal ship for what you want to do (get in, gank the target, get out) with its very high speeds and surprisingly high damage. Unfortunately, the other Minmatar/Caldari HACs aren't that good for solo work. The Muninn is just outclassed by the Hurricane, and both Caldari HACs work best sniping at things from range; HAM Cerberus is a poor man's HAM Drake (though a rich poor man since it costs more), and likewise the blaster Eagle is working in a very niche role and giving up most of the advantage of dual optimal-range bonuses.
I suppose if you're set on a solo battleship and can't/won't fly the Domi, then the Phoon is probably the next best bet, since it gets a 175m^3 dronebay for drone damage versatility (full flight of heavies, flight of lights and light ECM for example), and with 4/4 weapon slots you have the potential for a good few utility slots (neuts for screwing over tacklers and... well, almost anything, smartbombs for clearing drones and close orbit frigs, etc) though with just 4 midslots you may find yourself hurting if you put a sensor booster on there, and having trouble catching things without one.
I'd definitely recommend against a solo battleship for general purpose; it might be a good choice though if you have specific targets in mind (e.g. intel about a hostile gatecamp with 1 BS and two BCs) rather than general roaming though.
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Caytii
Bound And Determined
MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:34:00 -
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200+ Mil Isk kestrel is here!
[Kestrel, PVP 2]
'Pandemonium' I Ballistic Enhancement
Local Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
Ancillary Current Router I
Ancillary Current Router I
Ancillary Current Router I
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abrasive soap
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: abrasive soap on 12/05/2009 00:37:12
hyperion
megathron
maelstrom
abaddon
phoon
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.12 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Caytii
Edited by: Caytii on 11/05/2009 13:18:36
I heard that the Tempest was a top dog...and a Mealstrom?
Tempest is only good for piracy as the sails give +10 to ransom payout.
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Caytii
Bound And Determined
MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Tempest is only good for piracy as the sails give +10 to ransom payout.
Really?
What about a PVP Drake? Would that work?
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 12/05/2009 15:45:43
Originally by: Caytii
Originally by: TimMc
Tempest is only good for piracy as the sails give +10 to ransom payout.
Really?
What about a PVP Drake? Would that work?
the only way pvp drakes work is as part of a logistics gang, or for the sheer 'ahahaa.. wait what?!' surprise factor of a ganky HAM-spamming drake blazing towards you.
if i didn't know better i'd say you were trolling recommending the pest & drake as top pvp ships ;)
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:50:00 -
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Ham drakes are actually pretty great in pvp. As good as a hurricane or harb. It's just that most of them you see are either pve or failfit.
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Ham drakes are actually pretty great in pvp. As good as a hurricane or harb. It's just that most of them you see are either pve or failfit.
and get some scimitars in gang and you're cooking on gas.
the problem being the range of HAMS, the drake's utter lack of zoomzoom and the flight
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time missiles have.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.05.12 15:58:00 -
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Hams have an effective range of about 18km with good skills. The only short range weapon with a longer reach is lasers with scorch.
Flight time doesn't matter solo/small gang.
It's slower than a dual rep cane, but faster than a plated cane or harb. That's fast enough.
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HellsRazor
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:51:00 -
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I fly around solo in a Raven in the hopes of running into something slow, lol.
6x Cruise Missile Launcher II
1x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
1x X-Large Shield Booster II
1x Photon Scattering Field II
1x Heat Dissipation Field II
1x Invulnerability Field II
1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Damage Control II
1x Co-Processor II
3x Ballistic Control System II
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
* BLUE PILL booster ready also ;). If you have a tackler I would prolly drop the tackle for a shield boost AMP.
Drones- Mix of like 2- Webbing drones and the rest EW drones vespa/hornet.
I always carry Navy,Precision, and F.O.F missiles.
I like using this for Gate and station pvp. You can fight or degress. Also the EW drones work good against whos tackling you and the NuET also for tacklers or small bastards.
Overall I think this fit is the most Versatile Fit.
I prefer the TORP buffer BALLS-OUT Raven when properly supported.
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