False dichotomy.

Next.

So...either you are open to discuss suggestions on how to do that - or you continue to be non-inclusive. .

See, the problem isn't the blob and jump drives. There is none really, trust me.

The problem is you and the fact that you let your defense stagnate so your little Sov-Fortress of Solitude let a pest of a little cyno frig get passed you and then it brought in more vermin. That is your problem, your inability to defend your home from vermin. You are in fact the creator of your own demise, so perhaps instead of bitching how someone figured out how to use game mechanics to their advantage you need to figure out how to use the game mechanics to your advantage.

Want an amazing example of how to use game mechanics of how they existed and to win with them? Titan XL gun tracking, fitting mostly tracking mods, using tackle ships and lol-targeting lasers against the fact the other guy never brought titans. Amazing huh, adapting that mechanic of a massive ship that couldn't track on its own but using fleet tackle and then putting those massive amounts of titans in big large fleets. The other guy, had his chance to stop the titans from being built (that was their first mistake, not taking them out of action during construction), then they continued to use the time honored tradition of massive numbers of blob battleships, why the other guy cut down on the blob and just brought a force multiplier of titans that did the job just as well.

But as usual, the whiners couldn't cope of dealing with titan XL guns and would not admit that it was their fault for not adapting to the new fleet doctrine of EVE. Really, the best counter to a Titan XL gun is certainly not flying another battleship, but hopping into a cap ship. CCP had to dumb down titans for the whiners since they couldn't cope that their battleship tanks failed, but those whiners are the same dudes who say that hulk pilots need to cope with getting ganked by Titans destroyers by not flying battleships against Titans fitting tanks. (<-- me pointing out the fact that some people can't handle something but the same thing no longer applies to them when they tell hulk pilots how to handle the problem. Funny that)

Infact, aside from the obvious off topic rant that is somehow related the major problem of EVE is the ******* human infestation that can't handle the human element and how that human element uses game mechanics to their advantage but the other side whines when it is used against them that it is somehow broken, unfair, overpowered, and they just cannot ******* adapt. Yeah, nerf the players out of the equation then the entire problem will fix itself.

We don't really need whiny carebears wandering about. Please be aware of how to say alive before randomly jumping your carrier somewhere.

I almost feel sorry for you.

Don't you mean titan and jump bridges?

People move from their staging to where ever via those, usually we wouldn't have jump clones at every possibly attack vector.

Don't you want more PVP?

After all, if someone is mining in high sec, and they are AFK, alt-tabbed, or Semi AFK, and therefore must die for being complacent, how is it OK then to have systems that are deserted and never see so much as a patrol?

What are gate campers doing sitting there all day like miners? Are they alt-tabbed? Semi-AFK? Should not they die for their sins against EvE Online?

Perhaps the "carebears" who take a plunge into a low sec system via dialed in warp would no longer be carebears, for having not died in a camp, and being told to go back to high sec or WoW, would have to be sought out, hunted out, and removed, during which time, given a "chance" to survive in a game, and taking those chances, would no longer be carebears.

And you would have less people to hate.

I almost feel sorry for you.

Using goon GARPA I see. That's a secret spy tool and your midpoint "cynos belogs to us" now. You are welcome...

No, gate campers are not AFK. Usually we have scouts out in surrounding systems hunting for targets, and if you wish us to die for our sins by all means have at it. We are in lawless space after all.

Actually I'm also quite well known for having a habit of scanning for rated complexes, mainly because an FC once noticed my alt jump into a system and begin scanning. Whilst we were in the middle of a fleet fight. but I am an incurable hoarder of space gold.


Yes, they would still be care bears. And they would still be high sec care bears, because low sec would no longer be low sec.

If you have an issue that involves safe space being almost as valuable, expansive and endless in resources as unsafe space, then the solution is not to make the unsafe space more like the safe space. The solution is to make safe space less valuable, less vast and begin to limit resources.

Preferably by limiting resources to genuine newbies.

All you are proposing is to lower the learning curve for Eve, because some players can't be bothered to put any effort in. The issue being that Eve is a niche game, it survives due to a hardcore fanbase that are extremely loyal, and are extremely loyal due to it's reputation as a difficult and challenging game. The idea of overtly lowering the skill cap for Eve is financial suicide for CCP.


You realize this is a game right?

Do you realize you just posted the standard list of platitudes of lowsec carebears? It looks like you just averaged out the wording of a random collection of nullsec lamentations and pasted it in. Are you actually reading the thread?

Do you realize you just posted the standard list of platitudes of lowsec carebears? It looks like you just averaged out the wording of a random collection of nullsec lamentations and pasted it in. Are you actually reading the thread?

If were talking speed nerf then by all logic you should nerf the **** out of wh travel too. I mean come on its not fair for a carrier to skip 20 gates, how could it be fair for a freighter to go from highsec to 40 jumps deep into 0.0 in 1 or 2 wh jumps.

I fail to see any logic or any form of proof on how jump drives break the game. Sounds to me like original poster is just pissin and moaning about something trivial. The jump drive mechanism is fine. Fix the gate travel before the jump drives.

Because every single wormhole can take a freighter, you always know exactly where and when the wormhole will open, and exactly where it will take you, and exactly how much of its life-cycle is left.

For ****'s sakes...

Fallacy of false-equivalence is such a perfectly beautiful thing.

Because every single wormhole can take a freighter, you always know exactly where and when the wormhole will open, and exactly where it will take you, and exactly how much of its life-cycle is left.

For ****'s sakes...

Fallacy of false-equivalence is such a perfectly beautiful thing.

Translation: Nerf teh goonies, but please leave my wormholes alone!

Actually freighters being as massive as they are, how easy is it to fit a freighter through a wormhole, anyway?

Usually we have scouts out in surrounding systems hunting for targets

Can't dismiss my arguments with logic or reasoning? Quick, post a reply that doesn't actually amount to anything!

Cool story bro.

Translation: Nerf teh goonies, but please leave my wormholes alone!

How do I use logic and reasoning on mindless dogma? Might as well try to enlighten a medieval church and get the same results.

What you and a few others are worried about is your power projection being nerfed. You are afraid that in order to find conflict you will need to look more closer to where you live instead of on the other side of the galaxy. You are afraid of effort. You are afraid that "Push button, receive PvP" will go away. You are afraid that you will not be able to blob every threat. You are afraid of actually living in the territory you claim sov in. You are afraid of actually doing things proactively to protect assets in space like POS's and other things. You are afraid of having risk when you carebear.

You are scared of the unknown.

You understand only the half of it and that not fully too.

Unknown?
I was in 0.0 back in the day when jump bridges had barely been introduced and POS ping-pong was the way to conquer a system.

Power projection as you claim it, is the reason that 0.0 sov now changes a lot faster than before. Back in the day once an alliance built the initial infrastructure all they had to do was gatecamping at the choke points to make their turf completely safe.

Now this is no longer true. And that happened with the cynos.

You also disregard the fact that the mindless notion of yours "push buttan. receive pvp" requires a considerable logistical effort that makes that final move possible.

But the real cause you are whining about jump drives and jump bridges has to do with the fact that you now have to put a lot more effort to find a target, other than just sitting idle at a gate waiting for the prey to fall on your hands.

Jump drives are not a problem. The fact that any ship can light a cyno is.

Hey, now it's your corp turn to be schooled about "you can't have pie and eat it".
Is it tedious? Sure, in the same manner it's awful to fit a massive tank on an Hulk. Yet miners are schooled about go that way or the highway, right?

Do you know the relevant joins? From what I can see there might be approximately 2600 odd of them, but that would be a naive assumption. Even if it is though, the number of low and null-sec systems outnumber high-sec by a reasonable percentage.

One small little glimmer of light in a 12-page thread of rage and crying.

Was just thinking exactly the same thing. Too easy to argue over sense though.

You understand only the half of it and that not fully too.

Unknown?
I was in 0.0 back in the day when jump bridges had barely been introduced and POS ping-pong was the way to conquer a system.

Power projection as you claim it, is the reason that 0.0 sov now changes a lot faster than before. Back in the day once an alliance built the initial infrastructure all they had to do was gatecamping at the choke points to make their turf completely safe.

Now this is no longer true. And that happened with the cynos.

You also disregard the fact that the mindless notion of yours "push buttan. receive pvp" requires a considerable logistical effort that makes that final move possible.

But the real cause you are whining about jump drives and jump bridges has to do with the fact that you now have to put a lot more effort to find a target, other than just sitting idle at a gate waiting for the prey to fall on your hands.

Finally, I ******* hate gate camps. Specifically camps that are in no way there to protect any assets or anything like that. Even more specifically, a vast majority of gate campers are extreme pussies. They will have a scout in each direction and if anything shows up on scan/jumps in local with scout that might present a hint of a threat; those ~elite~ pvpers will be off the camped gate faster than a fat kid sprinting away from a salad. They are pussies. Sure some of you will say, "No. That is just them running a proper gate camp." I don't care. Those kinds of gate camps are run by cowards.