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Lacey Black
Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lacey Black on 06/05/2009 21:45:26 I see nothing wrong with the cloak system except I believe it is a bit oneside that needs some balance. Using the cloak on ships is legal, usefull to a degree but also can be a pain. I think CCP needs to develop a PROBE that can detect the emission generated by a cloaked ship. This gives defenders a chance to find the cloaked vessel. This would help with that silly individual that goes afk cloaked or a chance to find that bomber pilot that just blew your ore cans to dust. Or at least the cloak drain Cap or has to run a cycle that has to be restarted manualy.
I think cloaking needs to be readdressed & balanced. Even in the real world a F-117 stealth fighter-bomber can be found, ask the USAF they lost one becasue it was detected. So there should be some balance as well in the Eve world with them as well.
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 21:47:00 -
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Quote: I see nothing wrong with the cloak system...
i agree.
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Chief Simpson
Minmatar Sanitation Worker's Union of Null Sec
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:05:00 -
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I also agree. There is nothing wrong with the cloak system. Leave it alone. It hurts no one. Now, if we could just hold hands while cloaked and sing "C'est un petit monde", then you would feel better. ----------- Cleaning up the garbage in null sec, one belt at a time... |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:07:00 -
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Nothing wrong with cloaks as I see it. A cloaker can do no harm if he's AFK anyways.
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Lonzo Kincaid
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:11:00 -
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appears that Sev3rance are unable to coordinate together enough to provide cover for ratters in a system that has some guy who might surprise one of them if he's even fit to blow stuff up to begin with. ----------------------
Quote: The rule of thumb is you have to outnumber them 2:1 before you even think about engaging them
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chief Simpson I also agree. There is nothing wrong with the cloak system. Leave it alone. It hurts no one. Now, if we could just hold hands while cloaked and sing "C'est un petit monde", then you would feel better.
ever hear of the six levels of separation? that **** is serious business O_O ======= Homeworld Hamachi Network
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Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:12:00 -
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The only change I would make would to be the ability to detect (not decloak, a binary there is or isn't a cloaked ship within 100KM) cloaked ships within 100KM, Prehaps a module, or using the scanner.
not a big deal, but it'd be nice.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Grek Forto on 06/05/2009 22:15:20
Originally by: Lacey Black
I think cloaking needs to be readdressed & balanced. Even in the real world a F-117 stealth fighter-bomber can be found, ask the USAF they lost one becasue it was detected. So there should be some balance as well in the Eve world with them as well.
Also, this is BS. Because...
...cloaking in EVE = You make the ship invisible to everything, but can't do anything yourself.
..."cloaking" in real life is only (if we're talking about the F-117) the ability to be undetectable on radar.
Rule # 1, don't justify that something should be changed in EVE based on the fact that "It doesn't function like that in real life". It's called Science-Fiction for a reason. Bolded the most important part.
Edit: Spelling
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 06/05/2009 22:15:20
Also, this is BS. Because...
...cloaking in EVE = You make the ship invisible to everything, but can't do anything yourself.
force recon, SB, and covops ======= Homeworld Hamachi Network
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 06/05/2009 22:15:20
Also, this is BS. Because...
...cloaking in EVE = You make the ship invisible to everything, but can't do anything yourself.
force recon, SB, and covops
Heh, true that. But as it stands. When cloaked, they can only scout. They pose no threat to the people in the system. Scouting could be done in a shuttle too, a bit less safe. But wth, isn't it fun to have some "unusual stuff" in the game, like cloaks.
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Quantar Raalsken on 06/05/2009 22:21:52 Edited by: Quantar Raalsken on 06/05/2009 22:21:28
Originally by: Grek Forto
Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 06/05/2009 22:15:20
Also, this is BS. Because...
...cloaking in EVE = You make the ship invisible to everything, but can't do anything yourself.
force recon, SB, and covops
edit: usually
Heh, true that. But as it stands. When cloaked, they can only scout. They pose no threat to the people in the system. Scouting could be done in a shuttle too, a bit less safe. But wth, isn't it fun to have some "unusual stuff" in the game, like cloaks.
when they show up in ur overview all of a sudden ur already ****ed....
edit: usually ======= Homeworld Hamachi Network
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hyveres on 06/05/2009 22:22:46 You mean the classic DD , safespot , cloak that makes a certain type of ship easy to survive with.
Or the good ole cloaked Raven ratters and various other kind of hiding in annoying ways.
As I see it the normal cloak should simply give -90% signal strength if people try to scan you down, while the covop cloak can function like it currently does. This means a cloaked ship is hell to locate , a covop is covert but people trying to hide in big ships will be discovered.
Heck from what a lot of people are saying the cloaking mechanics is one reason why so few titans are killed even if their DD misses when they face the 10 minute timer which "should" be making them vulnerable. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 06/05/2009 22:22:45 As I understand this the issue basically is the ability to be "safe" while doing something solo in 0.0 space.
Should you ever be "safe" ratting solo in 0.0?
edit Those guys who insta-safe and cloak are using third party tools. That needs fixing.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
when they show up in ur overview all of a sudden ur already ****ed....
Meh, adds another dimension to combat. Well, someone can scan you down, be a bit lucky and then they are also in your overview. Besides, how many combat ships can actually fit Covert Ops cloaks?
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Hyveres
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto
Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
when they show up in ur overview all of a sudden ur already ****ed....
Meh, adds another dimension to combat. Well, someone can scan you down, be a bit lucky and then they are also in your overview. Besides, how many combat ships can actually fit Covert Ops cloaks?
All T3 ships , all recons , stealthbombers afaik. "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound |
Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:25:00 -
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Based on some other threads I have seen, rather than a complaint approach, why not a solution that adds to game play.
First I have to say that I started using cloaks because of "probe jackers". I have found that when warping to a anomoly found with Core Scanners, and even the more difficult ones that take skills to find, some tard with only enough skill for combat scanners sees a ship "in the middle of nowhere" and warps to it, and basically steals the site.
I do a lot of scanning, but stay in a NPC corp because every time I noticed that the probe jackers use heavy hitters and if I was in a corp, I know my exploration fit BC would be toast. So I just pass the information on to my "honorary" corp.
But Combat Scanners won't find that radar site or a weak cosmic, and if I cloak while sitting on it waiting for the corp to arrive with the hacking mods or larger ships (for WH space), the site won't be hijacked.
But like I said, let's improve it.
Rather than a probe that totally defeats the purpose of a cloak, not only for my purposes but the many applications of PVP, come up with new stuff that can have limited use against cloaks, and even more stuff that helps.
How about some changes that make things interesting, like a "localized radar scanner" for a ship fit that can pick up in that gap where Combat Probes leave off. I suppose a stationary radar platform would also be good for large corps in 0.0 space. Of course, further stealth mods and skills to engance cloak and the like would be nice for the cloaker. More modules, more skills, and perhaps a new class of support ship all about scanning and probing too. It could make for some interesting game play - you would feel like a Submarine captain in "Hunt for Red October". Heck, runnnign silent and deep could even become part of the vocabulary. I would even hope for "decoy drones" too to throw off a search and destroy team or a combat patrol. Chaff and flare would also be nice. But that's for a whish list perhaps.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:37:00 -
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Sized cloaks? Battlecruiser and up start using fuel.
*runs and cloaks* -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hyveres
Originally by: Grek Forto
Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
when they show up in ur overview all of a sudden ur already ****ed....
Meh, adds another dimension to combat. Well, someone can scan you down, be a bit lucky and then they are also in your overview. Besides, how many combat ships can actually fit Covert Ops cloaks?
All T3 ships , all recons , stealthbombers afaik.
only force recon, not combat recon...but still a lot of pirates use Pilgrims ======= Homeworld Hamachi Network
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ZinderX500
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lacey Black Even in the real world a F-117 stealth fighter-bomber can be found, ask the USAF they lost one becasue it was detected. So there should be some balance as well in the Eve world with them as well.
You brutally failed.
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Hame leGrey
Valklear Guard Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.05.06 22:57:00 -
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Eve does not equal real world.
Leave the cloaks as they are.
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Lacey Black
Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:19:00 -
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I still believe atool needs to be made where they can be detected. Nothnig should be totally invisible, everything has a weakness.
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:39:00 -
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I agree large space holding alliance ratters should be able to operate totally risk free.
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Selia Evrion
Gallente Night-Stalkerz Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:40:00 -
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You mean the delay to locking time?
Or the fact that those ships without a delay to locking time are now only good against Battleships... And when there's twenty of them?
Like you said, nothing wrong with cloaks.
Also, change the exploration probe visual effect back. The circles make me want to go out and murder someone.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.06 23:41:00 -
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I think cloaks need a boost, stealth bombers should be able to release a bomb without dropping cloak
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 00:07:00 -
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it is easy to catch cloakers, you just need to think outside the box....
for example. this is how a group of mine caught a cloakerratter one day .....
we all warped into a system with ratters , the ratters warped and cloaked, nothing un useual there. we hid a cloaking dictor pilot in the belt he was last using and then waited a system out where they had no scout. took 10 minutes or so but we knew he would start back ratting
ratter came back in , dictor pilot de cloaked dropped a bubble .... ratter going no where , and then got ganked by 5 commandships :) cant find KM sorry
cloaking is fine it just your in-adaptability to come up with a solution,
another great one from zombeh ( OMG why did you go to KIA ) a old corp mate was if you being chased by recon cloaking and warping scouting your group for enemy intellegence. get someone to set up a bubble in between the warp path of 2 gates , one your comming from and one your going to , SS half way though and warp back . ahead of the group say the next 2 systems ahead. while your being chased you warp and jump into the system with the bubble, you warp to the gate that the bubble is in between , you get snagged in the bubble , everyone then realses there drones once they have landed. if they recon was following you he will then shortly uncloak on the bubble with all the drones there , lock him web him point him and kill him . resulting kill is here
as shown in these to demonstrations, there is nothing wrong with catching cloking, stop being lazy and actually think about stragity
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Max Queso
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Posted - 2009.05.07 00:11:00 -
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If you can detect a cloaked ship, then it's not a cloaked ship. If you're nervous about some afk cloaker floating around in your ratting system,.. find another system.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.07 00:13:00 -
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OMG the secret AFK peoples will bubble and kill me even though they arnt there.... or are they ?
if you buy eve in a box from my game store i will give you isk (GAME , parkgate rotherham)
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.07 00:26:00 -
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When people need to leave the game for real life reasons, they have 2 choices: 1) cloak at safe spot 2) log out at safe spot (or station)
What is the fundamental difference between the 2 options? It is the local chat
When people use option #2, local chat instantly provides valuable information about player status. Local chat should not be used this way. There should be no difference between option #1 and #2.
The proper solution here is the nerf local so there is no difference.
So unless you also want to have a special probe that can find offline pilots in space to pop their ships, you shouldn't argue for finding cloaked pilots at safe spots.
I am not against having some in-grid method of checking cloakers tho. If a cloaked ship is in your grid, we could have some slow way of finding them, without it being overpowered.
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Thalia Kell
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Posted - 2009.05.07 00:44:00 -
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What eve needs is a negative impact on sensors when you are cloaked. Its just stupid that no one can see you, but you can see just perfect.
Im not only talking about the ship scanner, but also about visual sight.
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Nicyra
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.07 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Thalia Kell What eve needs is a negative impact on sensors when you are cloaked. Its just stupid that no one can see you, but you can see just perfect.
Im not only talking about the ship scanner, but also about visual sight.
I agree with the ship scanner. No accuracy with cloaking 1, add 15% per level until 60% at 5. Covops has 20%, recon ships have 20% more on top of that. ------------------------------------------------ I am a Khanid fighting for the Minmatar. I lurk in Minmatar channel. No, you cannot have my autograph.
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