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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:28:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Gay Mafia Princess wrote:Tippia wrote:[quote=
OP's claim is completely invalid because they things that he claims have happened have not happened (or at least the scant information given has been proven to be completely false). The only thing that has happened is that the OP no longer wants to use a particular skill set for no adequately explained reason, and that he wants CCP to modify his character because of his choice to waste all that SP. The OP's problem is 100% manufactured by the OP. If the OP doesn't want to have this problem any more, he can stop creating it. CCP is not a factor in this. CCP has no reason to step in and a fuckton of reasons not to do so. So if I told you what I was doing that what make a difference? It doesn't so stop even trying to use that line. What I was doing was my own business. This is really a bigger issue then people realize. Pretty soon all the people who have trained up skills for datacores are going to be SOL, and you don't even want to get me started about the loss of productivity in terms of PI. The point is this, CCP isn't just nerfing titan, they are taking a baseball bat to people's dreams and livelihoods. If CCP offered something like a refund of SP I would be willing to bet they would have better retention. This can be summarized as this: I'm a big baby that lives on scamming but now that CCP has taken away my scamming methods, I must make a thread. Now, the hilarious thing about your entire crusade? You're arguing over a Level 3 skill.
This person has used this thread to scam us out of our words and IQ points. Don't worry about posting with your main! -aPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |

Shian Yang
91
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:35:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:This person has used this thread to scam us out of our words and IQ points.
Greetings capsuleer Davion,
I have already sent capsuleer Whitehound a contracted invoice for wasting my time. I hope he has the honour to pay it. You should do the same.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Mythrandier
Dracos Dozen Eve Engineering
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:35:00 -
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Gay Mafia Princess wrote: Must be Americans, really hate this if you don't say something or give us all the information you must be doing something wrong mentality. Grow up idiot.
Eh? What has being American got to do with any thing? IGGVm not American and I still think the fact that you will not disclose WHY this change has affected you is highly suspect.
After 13 pages nobody has yet come up with a valid reason as to why you should get any SPGGVs back. As Andski quoted a few pages back it states in the TOS that changes will happen. You knew that when you started playing EvE. CCP owes you nothing.
This thread needs locking to be honest, its pointless.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1229
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:41:00 -
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Pilgrims suck now I want my Amarr Cruiser V back. |

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
62
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:32:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:GG*and again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill. No. It is only for you a difference and because you are being selfish. Does a white umbrella protect better from rain than a black one does? I doubt it, yet they are different. A difference sometimes does not matter and is only a difference.
...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! |

Whitehound
264
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:These are not trades. Yes they are, because we're talking about using market trading in addition to contract trading, remember? No. A trade is a successful transaction.
Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:What things? Anything he likes. You can do better than this. Name a few and show how you make profit with these. This should not be hard since you must have the same skills and are talking from experience, right?
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Francisco Bizzaro
93
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:16:00 -
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Ya Huei wrote:Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:GG*and again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill. No. It is only for you a difference and because you are being selfish. Does a white umbrella protect better from rain than a black one does? I doubt it, yet they are different. A difference sometimes does not matter and is only a difference. ...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! The Chewbacca Defense is not used enough on these forums. Many threads could be shortened. |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
454
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:39:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Ya Huei wrote:Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:GG*and again, there is a difference between actually useless and choosing not to use a skill. No. It is only for you a difference and because you are being selfish. Does a white umbrella protect better from rain than a black one does? I doubt it, yet they are different. A difference sometimes does not matter and is only a difference. ...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! The Chewbacca Defense is not used enough on these forums. Many threads could be shortened.
I'm surprised this one still is, the OP seems might precious about those contracts. What a shame    WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
7
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:10:00 -
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Gay Mafia Princess wrote:1) You are being ignorant of my feelings 2) You don't dictate CCP policies 3) They changed the game so much I don't want to do anything with contracts anymore thus why I want my SP back
1) Boohoo. HTFU. Here's a tissue. 2) Neither do you. STFU 3) Please see below: They added new battlecruisers and I don't want anything to do with BC anymore thus I want my SP back. They remodelled some ship skins and I don't want anything to do with those ships, thus I want my SP back. The global economic crisis screwed up the economy, and I lost my job, thus I want my time and money spent on education back. It was raining all last week and I bought an umbrella, but it's stopped this week. I don't want anything to do with my umbrella anymore, thus I want my money back.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
61
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:25:00 -
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Gay Mafia Whitehound wrote:CCP changed things so much that I just don't want to be bothered with it anymore.
And yet, 6 pages later, you're still evidently very bothered by it. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1199
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:26:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:I'll save you guys the time to read this thread.
Cliffs: Gay Mafia Princess wants CCP to reimburse contract skillpoints although A) Contracts has not changed 1 bit B) He wants to contract scam with faction mods and that puts a dent in his scamming business
His logic is that CCP somehow changed contracts (again it has not) therefore CCP must reimburse SP's for contracts.
Ergo he's being a baby. No one in this thread agrees with him.
Edit: Disregard above post. He's 100% scamming. Why? He/she/it refuses to answer the question of how this affects their "legitimate" business.
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Whitehound
264
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:26:00 -
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I cannot say much about contract scams. I never fell for one of them. People whining about the OP must have fallen for a scam at some point. Why else the cry for revenge?
People who fall for scams are just dumb and they should fall for scams. They deserve to fall for them. It is in the interest of all human civilization.
And do not say one cannot scam with market orders. Not that I do it, but I get players paying me several times the price that I have asked with my sell orders. Perhaps do not play when drunk?
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6509
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:04:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:No. A trade is a successful transaction. That is a closed trade. We're talking having more trades open, remember? Now he can have more of them GGv that's very beneficial.
Quote:You can do better than this. Name a few and show how you make profit with these. No, the question was answered in full. Anything can be sold at a profit using both the market and contracts. He already knows how to do this, otherwise he wouldn't have been using the skills. That's the whole point: nothing has changed about contracts, so there is literally zero reason for him to get an SP refund. The difference is that with the modules he has specialised in, he can now do it using both of those avenues and thus have more trades open at once (not to mention the other ways you can use contracts to make money, which have already been explained on numerous occasions).
Quote:And do not say one cannot scam with market orders. GG*which just shows that there is no reason for him to get his SP back even if that's the issue, since he can still make money the exact same way as before.
More precisely, what a shame. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG%
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:10:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:I cannot say much about contract scams. I never fell for one of them. People whining about the OP must have fallen for a scam at some point. Why else the cry for revenge?
People who fall for scams are just dumb and they should fall for scams. They deserve to fall for them. It is in the interest of all human civilization.
And do not say one cannot scam with market orders. Not that I do it, but I get players paying me several times the price that I have asked with my sell orders. Perhaps do not play when drunk?
See, this could be a valid observation, but people in this thread have repeated stated that they would be MORE sympathetic to the OP if she were trying to scam with contracts and was having difficulty.
Instead the OP insists that her contract dealings are totally legit, which makes her complaints very odd, considering the fact that nothing major has changed as far as her ability to sell faction mods. |

Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:No. A trade is a successful transaction. That is a closed trade. That is a tautology.
Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:You can do better than this. Name a few and show how you make profit with these. No, ... the question was answered in full. There is no question. The OP demands her SPs refunded. She is not asking for it ... Did you have a question? If you let me know what your question was then I can try to answer it for you.
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
87
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:36:00 -
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13 pages about someone complaining about expanded functionality....
I trained contracts to sell researched blueprints. I heard that is very lucrative with the right BP's |

Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:02:00 -
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Radelix Cisko wrote:13 pages about someone complaining about expanded functionality....
I trained contracts to sell researched blueprints. I heard that is very lucrative with the right BP's Interesting. What would you do when CCP decided to show the ME/PE levels of blueprints and copies sold over the market?
Would you then train more market orders, forget your contract skills, and live happily ever after like ... a tool?!
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6510
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:20:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:That is a tautology. GG*which is why we're talking about open trades.
Quote:There is no question. GG*aside from yours, which was answered in full. Also, nice edit. Very sneaky. Also highly dishonest.
Quote:The OP demands her SPs refunded. She is not asking for it GG*and there is no reason to grant his wish, since nothing has changed.
Quote:Interesting. What would you do when CCP decided to show the ME/PE levels of blueprints and copies sold over the market? He will probably carry on doing what he currently does since, you know, they already do that. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG%
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:That is a tautology. GG*which is why we're talking about open trades. No. A tautology only means you have lost the argument.
Accept it. There is nothing wrong with players making demands. If it was then we would not get gifts from CCP when it is their birthday.
What is wrong are players who pretend to be CCP, who think they act and talk like CCP, who think they are hard by accepting every nonsense and who fail to realize they are only being idiots.
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6512
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:46:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:No. A tautology only means you have lost the argument. No, it means you're trying to introduce a red herring, since we're not talking about the tautology but about the open trades. So yes, by introducing the tautology, you lost the argument. Accept it. The simple fact remains: the OP now has more open trades at his disposal than before, and this is beneficial to him.
Quote:Accept it. There is nothing wrong with players making demands. Sure, but when those demands are unreasonable, there is nothing wrong with pointing this out and explaining that nothing of the sort will happen. The OP has no reason for getting his SP back since nothing has changed about contracts, and his situation has actually improved since he can now have more trades open at once in the area he's familiar with.
As always when you can no longer respond to the points being made, you start rolling out the fallacies and personal attacks. Maybe you should try some actual arguments insteadGG* GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG%
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
75
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:47:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:Whitehound wrote:That is a tautology. GG*which is why we're talking about open trades. No. A tautology only means you have lost the argument. Accept it. There is nothing wrong with players making demands. If it was then we would not get gifts from CCP when it is their birthday. What is wrong are players who pretend to be CCP, who think they act and talk like CCP, who think they are hard by accepting every nonsense and who fail to realize they are only being idiots.
Are you and Gay Mafia Princess the same person? You seem incredibly unwilling to understand anyone's well reasoned comments regarding this subject. It is really quite simple, Princess is whining on the forums because he/she/it feels that the scams they used to pull off on the contract market are no longer viable. He/she/it is unwilling to admit this is the case, ergo, no-one here can offer any real assistance by way of advice, nor should they offer any kind of support to someone who has done everything possible to avoid answering one seemingly simple question.
It is also worth noting that no one is saying that customers do not have a right to voice a complaint, but when that customer refuses to validate or explain that complaint, it is also not unreasonable for everyone else to remain on the sidelines. As far as I can tell, no-one attempting to seriously converse with either yourself or Princess has alluded to them being as knowledgeable as CCP, nor that they speak on behalf of them. What most intelligent posters are saying is based on common sense, past experience with the company in question and at the very least, a rudimentary understanding of both game mechanics and realistic business models.
Perhaps you should cease your trolling, you already look quite foolish. |

Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:02:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Are you and Gay Mafia Princess the same person? ... Why would anyone ask such a question? And you think I am the fool here?!? 
Cutter Isaacson wrote:It is also worth noting that no one is saying that customers do not have a right to voice a complaint ... Looks to me like the exact opposite. Most people are trying to refuse the OP her demand. Why else are they all crying out? My guess is they all know that they act foolish and they do it because they can.
If there was a forum rule that says "Do not act foolish." then one could likely close the forum.
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:05:00 -
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Are you going to respond to this post, Whitehound? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1272646#post1272646 |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6512
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:06:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Why would anyone ask such a question? Because it's closing in on being the only rational explanation.
Quote:And you think I am the fool here?!?  Well, yes, but not because of what you've written here. It's more of a pattern thing.
Quote:Looks to me like the exact opposite. Most people are trying to refuse the OP her demand. That's not the exact opposite. The exact opposite would be if people refused him his right to voice a complain. No-one is doing that. We're saying that the complaint has no basis and that there is no reason to heed the demand or fulfil the wish.
GG#I wantGG% is not a good reason to bypass the game mechanics. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG%
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
75
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:13:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Are you and Gay Mafia Princess the same person? ... Why would anyone ask such a question? And you think I am the fool here?!?  Cutter Isaacson wrote:It is also worth noting that no one is saying that customers do not have a right to voice a complaint ... Looks to me like the exact opposite. Most people are trying to refuse the OP her demand. Why else are they all crying out? My guess is they all know that they act foolish and they do it because they can. If there was a forum rule that says "Do not act foolish." then one could likely close the forum.
My dear chap, they are not saying the OP has no right to voice a complaint, they are merely stating personal opinion that the OP has no reason to complain. An important difference, and one you should at least attempt to learn.
And as to why I asked if you two were in fact the same person, I do not think it foolish to consider all the options, for only a fool would do otherwise.
It is also worth noting that if a rule did exist on these forums banning people from acting foolishly, I doubt that you would have gotten much past your 3rd post.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6512
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:30:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:It is also worth noting that if a rule did exist on these forums banning people from acting foolishly, I doubt that you would have gotten much past your 3rd post. Oh, he would have been tossed out on his ears long before thatGG* 
GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG%
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
75
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:It is also worth noting that if a rule did exist on these forums banning people from acting foolishly, I doubt that you would have gotten much past your 3rd post. Oh, he would have been tossed out on his ears long before thatGG* 
Interesting, his first posts were as bad as his current ones. At least he is consistently idiotic. |

Citizen Smif
DarK IntenTionZ Stop Exploding You Cowards
93
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:42:00 -
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This whole thing about 'something has been nerfed, reimburse my SP' is bullshit.. The only time CCP should ever reimburse SP is when something is removed. Jesus CCP have to be so careful not to step on toes, 'internet spaceshipz is seriuz bizzness.' |

Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:48:00 -
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No. You state your opinion and opinions cannot be argued. I do not argue out of sympathies or antipathies, which is why I guess someone would ask a question like who am I or if I am the same person as the OP. Do you have anything in particular you want to know?
People cannot refuse someone their right to voice a complaint here on the forum. Only a moderator can. So you and others do what you can without having a delete button and try to trash the thread with every comment. It is the exact opposite... Believe me, if you could delete the thread you would have done so before it had reached the second page and you would not have a doubt about it.
Cutter Isaacson wrote:My dear chap ... And I am not your dear chap. You lose your argument right on the opening line of your comment. Everything else thereafter is only rant, because you fail to put actual thought into your comment. I could now say that "perhaps you should cease your trolling", but I rather ask, can you stop?
No more crappy expansions!-a-a Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-a-a No more crappy layoffs! |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
75
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:56:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:No. You state your opinion and opinions cannot be argued. I do not argue out of sympathies or antipathies, which is why I guess someone would ask a question like who am I or if I am the same person as the OP. Do you have anything in particular you want to know? People cannot refuse someone their right to voice a complaint here on the forum. Only a moderator can. So you and others do what you can without having a delete button and try to trash the thread with every comment. It is the exact opposite... Believe me, if you could delete the thread you would have done so before it had reached the second page and you would not have a doubt about it. Cutter Isaacson wrote:My dear chap ... And I am not your dear chap. You lose your argument right on the opening line of your comment. Everything else thereafter is only rant, because you fail to put actual thought into your comment. I could now say that "perhaps you should cease your trolling", but I rather ask, can you stop?
Politeness loses an argument that I am not actually having? Perhaps you should get some sleep, you appear to be suffering from some sort of psychosis. My comment is my opinion, which is based on analysis of this thread, specifically your responses and the more intelligent ones aimed at both yourself and Princess. It is saddening that someone such as yourself be allowed to roam around unsupervised, I fear for your safety. |
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