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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.09.24 01:50:00 -
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If your unhappy with the way i am managing this IPO you are welcome to use your right as an investor and get your shares bought back at 95% of initial stock price :) As it stands with more than 12 billion ISK paid back to investors in the form of dividend, all investors would get what i call a decent return here in the unsecured part of the IPO market, should they chose to part with their stock ahead of time.
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.09.27 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Solisk So you're the worst businessman ever?
Step 1. Give away 50b with no intention of recovery. Step 2. ??? Step 3. Loss.
Quoting truth.
Eve players do some really stupid **** sometimes, but working one's butt off, enduring criticism, and dealing with forum e-paperwork nonsense - all to give away 50b?
You could have just held a free-entry raffle and be considered nice. Doing it this route, you just look ******ed. ----------------
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:18:00 -
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TBH I'm trying to figure out why you guys are raising such a stink. So far he's been 100% on time with dividends twice as high as he originally projected for the IPO.
Who cares if he wanted to stick an extra 50b in assets into the corp. TBH it's not really any of your business if you don't own shares. If you do own shares then why do you care if the 50b in assets is there or not? If you own them and bought them at 500k each then quit complaining. If you don't agree with the 1.35mil value of the shares after he's added the 50b in assets then don't buy them from people re-selling at that price. It's really just that simple.
Regardless how you slice it he's been on time or early with all dividend payments and has been completely up front about how he is handling the stock. Whether you LIKE it or not isn't really an issue. If you want out, sell your shares back to him at 95%, you've already earned more than enough dividends to have made it a profitable venture for you even at a 95% buy back.
After all is said and done, this is a game.
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Signore Kaeota
Caldari Caelum Incognitum
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Posted - 2009.09.28 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar TBH I'm trying to figure out why you guys are raising such a stink. So far he's been 100% on time with dividends twice as high as he originally projected for the IPO.
Who cares if he wanted to stick an extra 50b in assets into the corp. TBH it's not really any of your business if you don't own shares. If you do own shares then why do you care if the 50b in assets is there or not? If you own them and bought them at 500k each then quit complaining. If you don't agree with the 1.35mil value of the shares after he's added the 50b in assets then don't buy them from people re-selling at that price. It's really just that simple.
Regardless how you slice it he's been on time or early with all dividend payments and has been completely up front about how he is handling the stock. Whether you LIKE it or not isn't really an issue. If you want out, sell your shares back to him at 95%, you've already earned more than enough dividends to have made it a profitable venture for you even at a 95% buy back.
After all is said and done, this is a game.
Unfortunately it's not quite that simple. That was a major alteration of the stock value (via a NAV increase) without warning or compensation, and makes him look like he is trying to scam people by making the stock worth more than it is. While no intentions may ever have existed, we play a game where laws and rules are non-enforceable and, as such, anything that /could/, not matter how remotely, unjustly benefit one or more individuals, is going to be scrutinised, picked over, insulted and everything else under the sun - regardless of past, present, personality etc, as it can all be faked.
For the record; my understanding is that this all happened some months ago, and anyone who benefited from it unfairly has already done so, and thus slipped under the radar. Though personally, from what I've seen of Ji, I doubt that's the case.
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HawkBlade
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Posted - 2009.09.28 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar After all is said and done, this is a game.
I'll lay odds that you would not invest in someone who said this regarding your isk. But let's get right into the grit of the matter: If it is a game then there are rules. Being that there are rules people who start breaking them draw fouls. In the case, cries of "foul". TBH I find that people who point out that it is "just a game" are in fact the ones taking things too seriously. You see people saying something and you read extremis into their expression of your own creation. Then to cure your own discomfort the mantra comes out "Just a game, need a life, just a game". The simple point is this: There's rational ways to do things and then there is irrational. When it is your own money, you are eccentric. When it is the public's money, you are scrutinized. (Not much else can be done, sadly.) Burying your head in the sand is irrational even for lemmings. However there is the cliff, have it.
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Dzil
Caldari Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: Taram Caldar After all is said and done, this is a game.
Burying your head in the sand is irrational even for lemmings. However there is the cliff, have it.
Oh, now you've done it. You've spent all your troll points, and even your rollover minutes. The cliche analogies are running together into drivel.
Recharge good man, get some sleep :P
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Dzil
Caldari Sausage Banking
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Posted - 2009.09.28 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar TBH I'm trying to figure out why you guys are raising such a stink.
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Regardless how you slice it he's been on time or early with all dividend payments and has been completely up front about how he is handling the stock.
Gonna go with NO on this one. (That's where the stink's coming from, though a lot of the details were raised in Keyser Khan's sale thread instead of this one.) And yes, it's equally important as the timely dividends: if something jeopardizes you getting your initial investment back at the end or when you sell out, it can overturn months/years of timely dividends. In fact, most ponzi schemes work exactly like this: they'll pay out billions on the investment interest, but in the end turn a profit for the manager who keeps the original principal.
As far as who's business it is: there's been at least 3 threads selling shares of TMPI in the last two months. Should the prospective buyer ask their questions before or after buying in? If you think after, I'll be launching a new offering soon called the "Send isk now, ask questions later!!" bond, just for you.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 30/09/2009 21:53:06
Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: Taram Caldar TBH I'm trying to figure out why you guys are raising such a stink. So far he's been 100% on time with dividends twice as high as he originally projected for the IPO.
Who cares if he wanted to stick an extra 50b in assets into the corp. TBH it's not really any of your business if you don't own shares. If you do own shares then why do you care if the 50b in assets is there or not? If you own them and bought them at 500k each then quit complaining. If you don't agree with the 1.35mil value of the shares after he's added the 50b in assets then don't buy them from people re-selling at that price. It's really just that simple.
Regardless how you slice it he's been on time or early with all dividend payments and has been completely up front about how he is handling the stock. Whether you LIKE it or not isn't really an issue. If you want out, sell your shares back to him at 95%, you've already earned more than enough dividends to have made it a profitable venture for you even at a 95% buy back.
After all is said and done, this is a game.
Unfortunately it's not quite that simple. That was a major alteration of the stock value (via a NAV increase) without warning or compensation, and makes him look like he is trying to scam people by making the stock worth more than it is. While no intentions may ever have existed, we play a game where laws and rules are non-enforceable and, as such, anything that /could/, not matter how remotely, unjustly benefit one or more individuals, is going to be scrutinised, picked over, insulted and everything else under the sun - regardless of past, present, personality etc, as it can all be faked.
For the record; my understanding is that this all happened some months ago, and anyone who benefited from it unfairly has already done so, and thus slipped under the radar. Though personally, from what I've seen of Ji, I doubt that's the case.
I agree. I just wish people would refrain from the personal and ad hominem attacks on people just because they disagree with an action taken. I understand how the injection of assets raises questions. And I raised questions myself (in game) with Ji. His answer satisfied my questions at the time.
I'm all for mature discussion but the constant insults don't help anyone or help the situation. Just wish people would learn to communicate in a mature and respectful manner instead of always resorting to insults when they don't get the answer they want to hear.
I agree he should have been more up front about the why's and hows when injecting 50b in assets into the IPO but I think there's been a bit of a witch hunt going on and at this point its doing more harm than good. The questions have been raised. Ji has answered them to an extent and then the attacks started and now there's no communication at all, making the entire IPO a lot less 'safe'.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.09.30 22:33:00 -
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He didn't answer the question, he gave incomplete answer and when the matter was pursued, he avoided it and tried to turn the table on us.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.30 23:01:00 -
[400]
Most of the questions asked and concerns raised were all completely legitimate, might I add.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.08 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/10/2009 23:41:05 Dividends have been paid. an estimate of 2475000000,00 ISK ie. 10.1% of 24.5B A vote have been send out to investors regarding TMPI NAV. In the case of a reset, any investor that have bought shares at the inflated price, will be compensated in full. Unfortunatly, i can only compensate people who have bought shares through MD, where i can confirm the transfer! I am sorry for the inconvenience .
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.10.08 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 08/10/2009 23:41:05 Dividends have been paid. an estimate of 2475000000,00 ISK ie. 10.1% of 24.5B A vote have been send out to investors regarding TMPI NAV. In the case of a reset, any investor that have bought shares at the inflated price, will be compensated in full. Unfortunatly, i can only compensate people who have bought shares through MD, where i can confirm the transfer! I am sorry for the inconvenience .
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:11:00 -
[403]
emphazise on BOUGHT
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:38:00 -
[404]
dividends received!
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Aion Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Aion Morpheus on 09/10/2009 01:09:28
Originally by: Ji Sama emphazise on BOUGHT
Sure. People sells to themselves the shares through alts and people ensures that even if you take your money back they will enjoy the inflated price.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 01:28:00 -
[406]
Really can't explain it better: If you have BOUGHT shares BEFORE this vote was initiated, you are entitled to a refund, IF you can verify the stock purchase with a forum post, that is dated before this announcement AND at the inflated NAV price.
Won't eleborate on this any further.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2009.10.09 04:47:00 -
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Dividends recieved, thanks champ.
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Aion Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.10.09 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Really can't explain it better: If you have BOUGHT shares BEFORE this vote was initiated, you are entitled to a refund, IF you can verify the stock purchase with a forum post, that is dated before this announcement AND at the inflated NAV price.
Won't eleborate on this any further.
I'm sorry, looks like the privation of sleep has bad effects on my reading comprenhension. I missed the line about the vote taking place now and I thought you said that the refunds would take place in case of a future undetermined in time withdrawal.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.10.09 12:24:00 -
[409]
Dividends recieved. Thank you :)
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.09 21:04:00 -
[410]
Hey Ji, would you be willing to tell those of us who don't have shares what the vote question is and what options there is?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Hey Ji, would you be willing to tell those of us who don't have shares what the vote question is and what options there is?
The vote will run for seven days.
Subject: Regarding the NAV of TMPI Option 1: Reset the NAV to 24.5B ISK Option 2: Keep the current NAV of 74B ISK Option 3: Abstain
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Aion Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Brock Nelson Hey Ji, would you be willing to tell those of us who don't have shares what the vote question is and what options there is?
The vote will run for seven days.
Subject: Regarding the NAV of TMPI Option 1: Reset the NAV to 24.5B ISK Option 2: Keep the current NAV of 74B ISK Option 3: Abstain
What implies those options? Will resetting the NAV give you back the money? Will keep the current NAV give investors that money? Will you abstain from voting?.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:34:00 -
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I have never used my majority vote to this date, and i dont plan on doing it now. You answered your other questions all by yourself.
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Aion Morpheus
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Posted - 2009.10.09 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 09/10/2009 22:37:15 Edit:
Will resetting the NAV give you back the money? Yes
Will keep the current NAV give investors that money? Yes
Will you abstain from voting?. Yes
Great, just wanted to be sure. Thanks.
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Roger Kiyosaki
Community for Active Tax Evasion
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Posted - 2009.12.23 14:02:00 -
[415]
Any more recent threads/updates?
I've been away from Eve for a couple of months, not sure if I've missed anything crucial.
Having said that, my wallet greeted me with a blinkfest in div payments. Thanks Ji.
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Roger Kiyosaki
Community for Active Tax Evasion
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Posted - 2009.12.23 14:23:00 -
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Found it, I think. So forget about the post above.
This is the follow-up thread (correct me if I'm wrong).
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