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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:29:00 -
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It would seem that under certain circumstances (through bugged mechanics that I do not entirely understand) a neutral can neut RR a wartarget, dock up, undock and get aggression without ever being shot at.
Yes, petitions have been submitted and all that. But I get the impressiont that a certain pilot, belonging to a certain merc alliance that shall go unnamed. performed this exploit/bug with deliberate intent. I can't prove that he did of course, but I feel like he acted as if he knew what he was doing, and was expecting the outcome of aggression without actually being fired upon.
So whatever it is, it may also be repeatable if one knew what one was doing (at least in theory)
So fair warning to whom it may concern, be on the lookout for this. & a heads up to CCP... your aggression rules might be borked somehow on tranquility.
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Dashden
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 08:37:00 -
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This is exactly what happened to me last night.
Currently at war, I engaged an hostile war target on Dodixie Fed Navy Station. Some neutral people RR the war target, dock, undock, and without I even lock them, they get the right to shoot me without Concord intervention.
Any explication on how is it possible ?
Any bug fixing on planification ?
Thx for help and answers. |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
775
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:28:00 -
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Bump to the top, because apparently this is a real issue. Another friend of mine lost a Tengu to this not to long ago.
CCP do your logs show anything or what?
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
188
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:30:00 -
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how about 1) a Bug report 2) a petition http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
775
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:31:00 -
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RaTTuS wrote:how about 1) a Bug report 2) a petition
Quote:Yes, petitions have been submitted and all that
How about you go out on a limb, and start reading OP's before you post your blah blah?
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Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
118
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:35:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: How about you go out on a limb, and start reading OP's before you post your blah blah?
What kind of sick bastard are you? Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |

Dashden
Astromechanica Maxima Astromechanica Federatis
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:31:00 -
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bumping again. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
306
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:42:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:But I get the impressiont that a certain pilot, belonging to a certain merc alliance that shall go unnamed. I say name and shame, TBH. |

Jhoria Englside
Hedron Industries High Rollers
1
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:53:00 -
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Thank you for telling me. I'll be sure to never use this. |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
306
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:06:00 -
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You can use RR mechanics to get aggression against yourself too :) I reported this a LONG time ago, fell on deaf ears when I opened a bug on it, they said "nah doesn't exist". FunnY I got screens to prove my own name is in my own agro list :) |
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
779
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:36:00 -
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Miilla wrote:You can use RR mechanics to get aggression against yourself too :) I reported this a LONG time ago, fell on deaf ears when I opened a bug on it, they said "nah doesn't exist". FunnY I got screens to prove my own name is in my own agro list :)
Post 
I'd love to see that.
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
164
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:56:00 -
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Miilla wrote:You can use RR mechanics to get aggression against yourself too :) I reported this a LONG time ago, fell on deaf ears when I opened a bug on it, they said "nah doesn't exist". FunnY I got screens to prove my own name is in my own agro list :) But are you actually allowed to shoot yourself, or can you only be shot at by yourself? Post with your monkey. |

Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:03:00 -
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Given this mechanic is being changed in inferno so if a neut reps a wartarget they become suspects and killable by everyone in eve does this matter?
Q: Neutral parties in a fight?
A: This is part of crime watch and not handled specifically by the war system. RRing someone in a legal war fight in hi sec adds a Suspect flag. This won't solve RRing as such, so maybe something more needs to be done, but this is what we're planning for Inferno. |

Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
164
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:26:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Given this mechanic is being changed in inferno so if a neut reps a wartarget they become suspects and killable by everyone in eve does this matter? The issue here is not who is able to shoot at the neutral RR, but that they can somehow shoot at their friends' enemies without being shot at first. Post with your monkey. |

Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:28:00 -
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Thanks for posting exactly how to do it so that every jackass can do it. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
780
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:31:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Thanks for posting exactly how to do it so that every jackass can do it.
Your stupid is amazing. I posted no such instructions, nor do I know exactly how they are doing it. I don't think they are just docking, I suspect that they are doing something while docked (god knows what or how).
TBH if more people did it then CCP would fix it. So if I figure out how, you betcha i'll be posting it because that is the only way that it will get addressed, and thus fixed.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
555
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:48:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28542
Is the dev blog about war changes. They are LOOKING into the possibility of not allowing the player to rejoin the corp after leaving during the duration of the war. However CCP has always been very hesitant about putting restraints on the individual players when it comes to wars. So who knows, I like the idea they have but we will see if they add it in. Free-aKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |

Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
781
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:51:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28542
Is the dev blog about war changes. They are LOOKING into the possibility of not allowing the player to rejoin the corp after leaving during the duration of the war. However CCP has always been very hesitant about putting restraints on the individual players when it comes to wars. So who knows, I like the idea they have but we will see if they add it in.
Thank you but, your posted this in the wrong Eternum Praetorian thread :P This one is about aggression mechanics bugs. Thx for linky though!
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
164
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Posted - 2012.05.10 01:02:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:TBH if more people did it then CCP would fix it. So if I figure out how, you betcha i'll be posting it because that is the only way that it will get addressed, and thus fixed. Likewise. CCP tends to ignore stuff like this for years unless everyone starts doing it (fixed within 2 weeks) or it gets used against goons (fixed within 2 hours).
Post with your monkey. |

Merdaneth
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:53:00 -
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Was victim of this bug yesterday as well. Petition and bug report with logs, screenshots etc. filed.
And of course CCP only responds quickly when the bug becomes a big problem, that is only natural. Look at it this way: EVE is a game where you can actually make a certain issue a big problem for the company, and thus have direct influence over the speed with which they fix it. |
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
486
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Posted - 2012.05.19 08:59:00 -
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There is absolutely no point to you posting this here; petitions and bug reports are all that should be involved when you suspect an exploit. Otherwise, just shouting about it loudly on the forums i) brings it to a wider audience who might then potentially go out and try to replicate it to nefarious ends, but more importantly ii), it makes you look like a gosh-darn large crybaby. |

Merdaneth
Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.05.19 09:03:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:There is absolutely no point to you posting this here; petitions and bug reports are all that should be involved when you suspect an exploit. Otherwise, just shouting about it loudly on the forums i) brings it to a wider audience who might then potentially go out and try to replicate it to nefarious ends, but more importantly ii), it makes you look like a gosh-darn large crybaby.
As I just explained, posting its existence on a wider audience will get more people to try it out, will get more petitions and bug reports filed, and will get CCP to look at is sooner.
So, if the goal is to get it fixed sooner, it is the sensible thing to do. |

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
41
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Posted - 2012.05.19 09:08:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:There is absolutely no point to you posting this here; petitions and bug reports are all that should be involved when you suspect an exploit. Otherwise, just shouting about it loudly on the forums i) brings it to a wider audience who might then potentially go out and try to replicate it to nefarious ends, but more importantly ii), it makes you look like a gosh-darn large crybaby.
Getting bugs and exploits fixed is important. He should be making people more aware of it so it gets fixed. Ignore This.-a "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |

Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
59
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Posted - 2012.05.20 09:47:00 -
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If this bug really does exist and is being used on purpose by people then by all means I encourage people to post exactly how it is done one the forums.
Just remember the "boomarang gank" thing that recently got patched, It was happening a little in the eve ganking underground and nothign was done about it, several people posted petitions that fell on deaf ears.
Then suddenly one guy makes a thread with detailed description on how exactly to replicate it and BOOM made a bannable offence instantly and fixed within 2 weeks. |

knulla
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.20 09:53:00 -
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I think it more fun when your drone bay vanishes mid fight and game does not recognize that you even have drones to begin with...
CCP needs to do some rebuilding of this game, code and its databases from scratch one day I think. |

knulla
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.20 09:55:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:There is absolutely no point to you posting this here; petitions and bug reports are all that should be involved when you suspect an exploit. Otherwise, just shouting about it loudly on the forums i) brings it to a wider audience who might then potentially go out and try to replicate it to nefarious ends, but more importantly ii), it makes you look like a gosh-darn large crybaby.
Crybaby and a facilitator of exploits? 
You are the type of person I and most of us would never be able to get along with and therefore would have to settle with weapons  |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
594
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Posted - 2012.05.20 10:19:00 -
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Maximille Biagge wrote:If this bug really does exist and is being used on purpose by people then by all means I encourage people to post exactly how it is done one the forums.
Just remember the "boomarang gank" thing that recently got patched, It was happening a little in the eve ganking underground and nothign was done about it, several people posted petitions that fell on deaf ears.
Then suddenly one guy makes a thread with detailed description on how exactly to replicate it and BOOM made a bannable offence instantly and fixed within 2 weeks.
This man speaks truth. The only time exploitable bugs get fixed with any expediency is when people make the mechanic public knowledge. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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