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Gealbhan
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:18:00 -
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Not really a ship fitting statement or anything so I didn't post it in the ships forum. Just messing around with MS Paint
I'd love my Osprey to be more like this:
Modified Osprey
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Tover Chris
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:19:00 -
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it stilly wouldn't be as cool as the symmetrical scorpion.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:23:00 -
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symmetrical scorpion would look absurd
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Tover Chris
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zaqar symmetrical scorpion would look absurd
someone did a pic of it once a few years ago
looked great.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:29:00 -
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Symmetrical ships are for the feeble-minded! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tover Chris
Originally by: Zaqar symmetrical scorpion would look absurd
someone did a pic of it once a few years ago
looked great.
No, it looked preposterous. Tippia is correct and there's a fault in your brain if you think otherwise
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:33:00 -
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I never understood the obsession with symmetry. Ships look so plain like that :\
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:59:00 -
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my cats breath smells like catfood -
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Waiting4ambulation
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:06:00 -
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It looks like it would come on a rack... 6 to a pack, on a coathanger or something.
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maCH'EttE
Celestial Bacon
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:22:00 -
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I don't mind the Osprey so much. The Moa/Eagle/Onyx on the other hand...
Originally by: ISD Devil Hanzo I got pwned!
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:25:00 -
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What do you expect when you get a bunch of avant garde Euro artists. If looks like a ship, then it is not hip. Except for the Hawk, Sabre, Jag, Malediction... there are a few that are symetrical... but they must have been designed by the american designers... Cause they know what beer drinken capsuleers like.
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Boris Varshavsky
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:33:00 -
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just pointing out, as this does have to do with the way a ship looks, that if any of the asymmetrical ships in EVE were to ever enter a planet's atmosphere that resembles Earth's, then they would not be able to fly at all because of the air resistance. The only way that a ship such as a Scorpion would fly in 'air' would be to put an immense amount of thrusters on its right side (looking from the front), which would likely increase its mass and decrease its inertia modifier.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Boris Varshavsky just pointing out, as this does have to do with the way a ship looks, that if any of the asymmetrical ships in EVE were to ever enter a planet's atmosphere that resembles Earth's, then they would not be able to fly at all because of the air resistance. The only way that a ship such as a Scorpion would fly in 'air' would be to put an immense amount of thrusters on its right side (looking from the front), which would likely increase its mass and decrease its inertia modifier.
…I also seem to recall that the backstory mentions that the chemical composition of the hull would make the ship explode in contact with the atmosphere — long before it needed to worry about its aerodynamic properties. Or something along those lines.
Also, looking (and working) like an airplane serves no useful purpose in space so why bother. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Tover Chris
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tover Chris on 24/04/2009 17:39:12
Originally by: Zaqar No, it looked preposterous. Tippia is correct and there's a fault in your brain if you think otherwise
then let me be faulted.
right now it looks.. meh.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:42:00 -
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Saw a symmetrical Raven a while ago.
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Thercon Jair
Minmatar Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:51:00 -
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Awww.. please stop requesting symmetrical ships, they are boring as hell. Just look at the poor Ferox, whines made it symmetrical.
Why would a ship need to be symmetrical if it's not meant to descend into a planets atmosphere (there's the dropships for that), if there's no aerodynamic restrictions you can construct them in a way where function matters more than design, and, in the description for the races there's something mentioned "utilitarian" about caldari ships. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
Tover Chris
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Posted - 2009.04.24 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Thercon Jair Awww.. please stop requesting symmetrical ships, they are boring as hell. Just look at the poor Ferox, whines made it symmetrical.
Why would a ship need to be symmetrical if it's not meant to descend into a planets atmosphere (there's the dropships for that), if there's no aerodynamic restrictions you can construct them in a way where function matters more than design, and, in the description for the races there's something mentioned "utilitarian" about caldari ships.
because intertia purportinate to mass or some crap like that makes it look stupid while in flight?
and the ferox looks fine.
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Thercon Jair
Minmatar Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.04.24 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tover Chris
Originally by: Thercon Jair Awww.. please stop requesting symmetrical ships, they are boring as hell. Just look at the poor Ferox, whines made it symmetrical.
Why would a ship need to be symmetrical if it's not meant to descend into a planets atmosphere (there's the dropships for that), if there's no aerodynamic restrictions you can construct them in a way where function matters more than design, and, in the description for the races there's something mentioned "utilitarian" about caldari ships.
because intertia purportinate to mass or some crap like that makes it look stupid while in flight?
and the ferox looks fine.
*raises an eyebrow* again please? Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.24 18:11:00 -
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Why can't my Arazu look like this?
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.24 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grek Forto Why can't my Arazu look like this?
Because then it would be OP --
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Pang Grohl
Gallente Sudo Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.24 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gealbhan Just messing around with paint
Modified Osprey
You should really avoid messing around with paint. I hear it does funny things to your brain like causing hallucinations.
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.24 19:32:00 -
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Now why does this look so familiar...
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Rhaile
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Posted - 2009.04.24 19:45:00 -
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Humans like symmetry. In just about everything we do we design for it, pay for it, or blow crap up for it. It's in our nature. The reason people keep asking for it is because it nags you. It's not something you control.
It's like a process on your pc that's constantly running in the background...making botnet attacks on you MIND!
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TopSecret JitaTrader
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:01:00 -
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Yes, what a shame they fixed those mismatched fins on the back of the Ferox that made it look like a dog ****ing on a tree. God I hated that. It's so much better now. Hopefully they'll fix the Phoenix next, so I can bring myself to eventually fly one.
The Catalyst is a ship whose lack of symmetry is cool and makes sense. The Opsrey isn't. It's completely ******ed for it to have mismatched sides like that. The OP's modification looks much better than the actual ship in Eve. Good job, man. The Osprey is one of the ugliest, and stupidest-looking ships in the history of sci fi. (And, tbh, it's assymetrical "wings" are only a part of that.)
The Condor/Crow/Raptor could really look a lot slicker if it they'd make a symmetrical version, then tweak it and streamline it some, maybe add some things here, and remove others there.
The point is assyemtry (yes my spelling is jacked) can be cool. But quite a few eve ships are lessened by it's distasteful application. It's like they just took ships that should have been symmetrical, then made them assymetrical for the hell of it. I bet a lot of them weren't even the original artist, but some neurotic supervisor who came along later and altered the originals.
/rant off I suppose.
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TopSecret JitaTrader
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: TopSecret JitaTrader on 24/04/2009 22:03:15 eh...double post.
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TopSecret JitaTrader
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Posted - 2009.04.24 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: TopSecret JitaTrader on 24/04/2009 23:11:48 I mean, don't get me wrong. Eve also has some of the hottest looking ships anywhere.
Just try to find a ship in any book, movie or t.v. show that is cooler looking than the Megathron. Not a chance. The Armageddon, Abaddon, Incurses (w/ the new graphics), Raven and Merlin (once you get used to them), the Amarr stealth bomber, the rifter and it's variants....these are some of the coolest looking ships ever dreamt up anywhere.
But please, go light on the assemetry in the future with new ship releases. Designs that require assymetry by their nature can be very cool, but assyemtry is a TERRIBLE add-on feature, and should be used with mucho discretion. Not overdone. It should be the exception rather than the norm, then it can be cool. (Like the Kestrel is, in it's own odd sort of way.)
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.04.25 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Atropos Kahn What do you expect when you get a bunch of avant garde Euro artists. If looks like a ship, then it is not hip. Except for the Hawk, Sabre, Jag, Malediction... there are a few that are symetrical... but they must have been designed by the american designers... Cause they know what beer drinken capsuleers like.
This post is pretty epic and deserves the quote I am giving it.
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Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.04.25 01:47:00 -
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I like the Osprey as it is - it looks purposeful. I find the heavily-asymmetrical Caldari designs suit their background rather nicely.
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Vyllana
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Posted - 2009.04.25 02:21:00 -
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I find it funny that people think symmetry only matters from a functional point of view inside an atmosphere. That's false. Asymmetry increases the difficulty of controlling a moving object whether it's inside an atmosphere or not. In almost all cases, it decreases the stability of the control equations. In addition, an asymmetric ship design will unavoidably increase the ship's moment of inertia about its center of gravity (parallel axis theorem), leading to decreased maneuverability.
I guess that at least explains why most Caldari ships handle like bricks heh.
Should also point out that for travel in space, symmetry in two planes (both vertical and horizontal) or even full axial symmetry would be ideal from a control and maneuverability point of view. Just thought I'd throw all that out there since people seem to have misconceptions on the utility of symmetry, though of course it has little to do with EVE's art design.
Now in regards to aesthetic appeal, it's obviously a matter of personal opinion, but it is generally well known that symmetry is aesthetically pleasing. Symmetry manifests itself for aesthetic purposes in a variety of natural phenomena (i.e. a person's face, a flower, etc) as well as to increase the visual appeal of many manmade objects (cars, buildings, fountains, etc, pretty much anything to which a thought is given to aesthetics during its design). Think of just about any decorative/symbolic structure... there is only very minimal functional reason for a large stationary structure to be symmetric, and yet so many of them are.
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Leiara Knight
Gallente The Oblivion Guard
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Posted - 2009.04.25 02:27:00 -
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Pleasing on the eye doesn't necessarily mean interesting, though.
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