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The Optician
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Posted - 2009.04.23 22:58:00 -
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If you take a look at the contract scam spammage in Jita local, about 90% of the scam contracts ("zomg damage control II only 299k!!!11" etc) are being spammed to local at very regular intervals. Very regular as in every 9.6 seconds or so, like clockwork, 23 hours a day. Now call me a conspiracy theorist, but it would be very painful for someone to sit there on the same account, for 23 hours, drag/drop their contract into local chat, and then paste their spam message and send every 10 seconds. This is however something that would be very, very easy if one were to be running some sort of macro/botting software.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I was always under the impression that use of such software was against the EULA/TOS/etc. It seems quite clear that a great many people in Jita and otherwise are using such software. Despite sending in petitions on this matter, nothing really appears to be happening on behalf of CCP to prevent such obnoxious spam and game-ruining tactics from occurring.
Yes, I am aware that scamming and all that stuff is allowed under the game rules, but when people are blatantly breaking the rules, in addition to scamming, and further - seemingly being condoned/ignored by CCP is when I start to get a bit upset.
I am wondering who else is noticing the growing trend of spammers/scammers beginning to use some sort of very-seemingly automated method of isk griefing? Perhaps even some blue bars acknowledging that something is being done would be a very nice surprise as well
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.04.23 23:03:00 -
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I don't think CCP cares what these people do so long as they pay a sub- just like the chinese macro haulers.
Botting/macroing is really getting out of hand here.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.23 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto I don't think CCP cares has ever cared what these people do so long as they pay a sub- just like the chinese macro haulers. Botting/macroing is really getting has always been out of hand here.
Corrected it for you so that it matches with my years of experience. CCP will not do much to stop such people, truly, because they get paid. They may ban them at some point, that's the GM's, but they want to make sure they get their money, or isk, before they ban the account. (Thus the reason they don't fix the loopholes or means by which they do this.)
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.04.23 23:27:00 -
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Please. We didn't have 100's or 1000's of macro spams in local/trade channels per minute until fairly recently.
Botting is becoming more of a problem than it ever was.
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Kitchie
Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.24 00:05:00 -
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I agree that the spamming in Jita local is totally OTT but unless it's causing a problem with the game itself, e.g. lag, then I don't see it as being a issue.
I pretty much live in Jita. I have blink turned off, on local, and never open it up, unless I'm really bored.
It's not pretty, but banning people requires somebody to make a judgement as to who is using their G15 to spam local and who is a mindless copy/pasting legitimate. Not worth the hassle for something that isn't a game breaker.
Even so, I wouldn't object if CCP just removed local from Jita. I can't imagine that anyone would actually miss it.
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Jia Quan
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Posted - 2009.04.24 00:41:00 -
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Simple solution. Ignore Jita local.... you won't stop them.
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Menod Penter
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.24 03:19:00 -
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No, the GM's are doing very little to nothing about these Macro Spam Bots.
I've tracked them, petitioned them with logs and time stamps. Yet the same old cut-n-paste replies come from the GM's. It doesn't take a half of brain to see these are bots spamming local channels with scams. Yet the GM's are sitting on their brains doing nada about them.
It's almost criminal what's happening to our local chat channels. Should we start an email campaign to ISD to inform them that the GM's are not enforcing CCP's own rules regarding the usage of bots and macros? The last time I looked at the EULA it was against the rules to use a bot or a macro, do the GM's really need to be reminded of this fact?
That's My Two Cent's
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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The Optician
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Posted - 2009.04.24 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Menod Penter
No, the GM's are doing very little to nothing about these Macro Spam Bots.
I've tracked them, petitioned them with logs and time stamps. Yet the same old cut-n-paste replies come from the GM's. It doesn't take a half of brain to see these are bots spamming local channels with scams. Yet the GM's are sitting on their brains doing nada about them.
It's almost criminal what's happening to our local chat channels. Should we start an email campaign to ISD to inform them that the GM's are not enforcing CCP's own rules regarding the usage of bots and macros? The last time I looked at the EULA it was against the rules to use a bot or a macro, do the GM's really need to be reminded of this fact?
That's My Two Cent's
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
Hmm....not a bad idea, maybe this is something that we as the players could try to get the CSM to push too?
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.04.24 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jia Quan Simple solution. Ignore Jita local.... you won't stop them.
Local isn't the problem and ignoring local has nothing to do with it. The issue is that people are using bots to make isk 23/7.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2009.04.24 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Martosh Toma on 24/04/2009 08:04:34 just add a fee to posting any contract in any channel based on the number of people in there and the eccesses will disapear
edit: just 50 isk per person would do the trick I think (make sure there is a do not ask this again option on the confirmation box.
could be a nice isk sink too
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.24 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Optician
Originally by: Menod Penter
No, the GM's are doing very little to nothing about these Macro Spam Bots.
I've tracked them, petitioned them with logs and time stamps. Yet the same old cut-n-paste replies come from the GM's. It doesn't take a half of brain to see these are bots spamming local channels with scams. Yet the GM's are sitting on their brains doing nada about them.
It's almost criminal what's happening to our local chat channels. Should we start an email campaign to ISD to inform them that the GM's are not enforcing CCP's own rules regarding the usage of bots and macros? The last time I looked at the EULA it was against the rules to use a bot or a macro, do the GM's really need to be reminded of this fact?
That's My Two Cent's
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
Hmm....not a bad idea, maybe this is something that we as the players could try to get the CSM to push too?
i aprove of this _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.24 10:02:00 -
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I just petition anybody who posts a contract with time difference that's constant +/- 1-2 seconds.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 11:04:00 -
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Personally I have no issue with these bottom feeders farming the new, the naive and the stupid. They don't scam me, they don't compete in my marketplace and they have almost no impact on my gameplay. They don't create isk out of nowhere, unlike other sources which I do take issue with, so until they actually cause a physical problem rather than an aesthetic one I don't see any need for anything to be done.
Macro haulers actually create isk, LP and items out of nowhere in a repetitive manner, thus devaluing currency, LP and items. That is an issue and something worth working against. Jita/Rens/Amarr etc spammers are just background noise in the vastness of space which are of no importance.
By the way, I would suggest you adopt a similar attitude to me when it comes to macro haulers and excessive isk farmers: Find then, Kill them, Pod them and repeat. The motto should be: "Have YOU Podded A Bot Today?"... I know I have!
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Emporia Tzard
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Posted - 2009.04.24 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I just petition anybody who posts a contract with time difference that's constant +/- 1-2 seconds.
It doesn't take a genius to program their bot to make the posting at apparently random time intervals.
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Snasty
Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.04.24 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Jia Quan Simple solution. Ignore Jita local.... you won't stop them.
Local isn't the problem and ignoring local has nothing to do with it. The issue is that people are using bots to make isk 23/7.
Bingo.. A bot is a bot is a bot...
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Confuzer
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.04.24 12:19:00 -
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I vote for intensive controlling software on clientside. Every program that takes control of the mouse (except synergy and others) should be reported to a GM. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.24 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
By the way, I would suggest you adopt a similar attitude to me when it comes to macro haulers and excessive isk farmers: Find then, Kill them, Pod them and repeat. The motto should be: "Have YOU paid someone to Pod A Bot Today?"... I know I have!
There.. fixed that for me.
/I'm like the East India Trading company, I pay to get my dirty work done. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Bad Bobby
By the way, I would suggest you adopt a similar attitude to me when it comes to macro haulers and excessive isk farmers: Find then, Kill them, Pod them and repeat. The motto should be: "Have YOU paid someone to Pod A Bot Today?"... I know I have!
There.. fixed that for me.
/I'm like the East India Trading company, I pay to get my dirty work done.
I prefer the personal touch... or rather my PvP chars do... Bobby has about as much combat potential as a month old nub. I tell you what though, when I get in the mood for podding bots it can be quite a challenge to point them as fast as they jump though the gate. I just can't find a ship with enough mid slots to catch 'em all.
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.04.24 15:18:00 -
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It reached the point now where the scamspam is so fast you can't even see what is being offered.In other words it's going as planned .
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys It reached the point now where the scamspam is so fast you can't even see what is being offered.In other words it's going as planned .
A shame that I can't pod station queens.
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.04.24 16:36:00 -
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Unless you're an idiot you won't fall for scam bots so I'm not worried about that, if people falls for the scams they deserve it.
On the other side market .01 bots are worrying (read this, for example), as they actually are detrimental to honest players and affect market pvp, is actually like cheating.
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jhon whang
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Posted - 2009.04.24 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby A shame that I can't pod station queens.
The ONLY thing that would bring me onboard with Ambulation. In station assassinations ftw!
-the whang
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El Kaposo
Amarr Simtech Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 18:59:00 -
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I have petitioned spammers, where the contract had been completed, but the same is still advertised in local hours after, again and again. can't be more obvious that here a bot is doing the work.
still waiting on a reply on the petitions though.
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.24 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 24/04/2009 19:37:46 For the very little it's worth, I have problems with Jita local crashing my client. I run wine under ubuntu (yea, yea, it's not supported by CCP). When I have jita local open after I first log in, windows and the frame starts disappearing and reappearing. If I don't minimize jita local in a bit less than two minutes, then the Eve client crashes. I've never seen this happen in any other star system in Eve.
I don't know what's causing the problem, but I imagine the huge flood of spam in local isn't helping.
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EvilCheez
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Posted - 2009.04.30 13:36:00 -
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Maybe if a few hundred people petitioned new cases of botting at 1 minute intervals for a couple of hours.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.30 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal I don't know what's causing the problem, but I imagine the huge flood of spam in local isn't helping.
Chat logging turned on?
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Dzil
Caldari Tritanium Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.04.30 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: EvilCheez Maybe if a few hundred people petitioned new cases of botting at 1 minute intervals for a couple of hours.
Yea, but I think only goonswarm has the ability to carry out mass annoying attacks, and they're probably profiting from over half the scams.
Nonetheless, I hope our CSM crew will include this in the many things wrong with EVE. I'm convinced recycling characters happens entirely too quickly - I think they need to take that cooldown up to a month. Every trip to Jita I have to completely refine my block list to a new set of spam alts.
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Leandro Salazar
Better Dead Then Smeg
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Posted - 2009.04.30 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 30/04/2009 17:46:31 Are those scam spammers not also abusing a bug or tampering with the game somehow? Because when I look at a legit item exchange contract, it says something like
Cost 23,000,000 ISK (23.0 Million)
in the contract.
While when I look at a scam spammer contract, it says
Cost 199,999,999 ISK
Clearly something fishy is going on there with them somehow getting rid of the worded real price? And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.04.30 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Are those scam spammers not also abusing a bug or tampering with the game somehow? Because when I look at a legit item exchange contract, it says something like 'Cost 23,000,000 ISK (23.0 Million)' in the contract.
While when I look at a scam spammer contract, it says 'Cost 199,999,999 ISK'.
Clearly something fishy is going on there with them somehow getting rid of the worded real price?
It appears that the problem is that the 'verbalization' logic that CCP uses (converting the numbers to a wordy form) doesn't like to round the numbers.
'23.0 million' is exactly right for 23000000, but the similar '200.0 million' to go with 199999999 requires rounding. Rounding is trivially easy to do, so it appears that either CCP hasn't found a couple of minutes to it yet, or this apparent deficiency is actually an intended 'feature'.
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Leandro Salazar
Better Dead Then Smeg
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:04:00 -
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I would call it a bug, so maybe we should all petition them for bug abuse? ;) And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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