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Nuclear Warrior
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:24:00 -
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I was thinking about it, and Caldari are lacking a decent drone BS and any real means of bringing a good gank machine to the field (Mega, Geddon, Typhoon respectively.) where as the other 3 races are missing Ewar BS's.
Something along the lines of:
Amarr: Nos/Neut BS with the bounuses 10% increase to Nos/Neut range and cap use/level. and 5% armor resistance/level. Thinking alot of PG with 7 highs and 4 turret slots just incase you didn't want to got full Neut/nos. 7/4/7
Gallente: 20% Increase to range of warp scrambler/disruptor/level. 5% increase to large hybrid damage/level 6/5/7
Minmatar: 20% increase to range of stasis webifiers/level. 5% increase to RoF on large projectiles/level 6/6/6
Caldari: 5% increase to missile damage, 5% increase to launcher RoF. 5/7/4 with 125m3 drone bay. Caldari need a good old fashioned gank boat.
Thoughts? Post your own, see what we can come up with. |
Xiozor
Sons of Damnation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:43:00 -
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Must say I like, some of these layout are pretty well thought out, but the caldari one seems a little over powered with 10 effective missile launchers and the massive drone bay. The RoF bounus should be replaced with something else. Maybe a shield boost amount bounus? No caldari Bships have one of those at the moment. |
TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:47:00 -
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As much as I like them... Caldari are notorious for having tiny drone bays compared to the other races and being more ewar focused. Ergo they get the scorpion.
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Nuclear Warrior
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:49:00 -
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But the other races all get a BS with a max drone bay, and they aren't particularly known for their drones either.
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Incantare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:50:00 -
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I'm all for more t1 ships, but BCs are prioritary IMO, having only two tiers.
I don't agree that the races lack an e-war battleship because it's a Caldari racial trait, it's equivalent to saying three races lack a drone battleship. These differences add variety.
One last thing, Amarr really needs a Khanid armor tanked torp monster.
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Master Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:50:00 -
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Yes, why not do away with all of the races and only have 1 since they all have to be exactly the same right?
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Voltairia
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Posted - 2009.04.22 12:16:00 -
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Give me a Black Khanid ship..any kind of weapons and decent tank and damage and a T1 so it can be manufactured at lower costs. ( A tier 4 BS)
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Sonreir
Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Libera Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.22 12:21:00 -
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Could maybe do with extra EW bonuses on the ships and drop the damage bonuses? For instance, add bonuses to RSD to the Gallente one and lose the hybrid damage bonus?
As for Caldari gank, it's pretty hard to beat a Torp Raven these days. You may need to tweak the existing Raven bonuses to get a decent balance between it and the new ships. Maybe remove RoF bonus from the Raven and give it additional missile velocity for range?
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.22 12:33:00 -
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Caldari Gank BS is called "Raven", i'm sure you heard of it. Its one of the highest DPS Ships.
I can see how the Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar fit as a 4th Tier BS, but the Caldari falls out of this rule since caldari already have their EW ship.
you also take the secondary bonus of the recon ships while the caldari recon has no secondary system, two bonusses for the ECM. 4th tier would be the Scorpion.
You had to switch the scorp to the 4th tier to implement a new gankish 1st Tier bs.
Following the Rule that the prices raise with its tier, the scorpion had to double or triple in its price.
Just my thoughts^^
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nuclear Warrior I was thinking about it, and Caldari are lacking a decent drone BS and any real means of bringing a good gank machine to the field (Mega, Geddon, Typhoon respectively.) where as the other 3 races are missing Ewar BS's.
How is the raven not a gank machine? It's gankier than the phoon.
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Amarr: Nos/Neut BS with the bounuses 10% increase to Nos/Neut range and cap use/level. and 5% armor resistance/level. Thinking alot of PG with 7 highs and 4 turret slots just incase you didn't want to got full Neut/nos. 7/4/7
Bhaalgorn, also, less slots than a t1 BS?
Quote: Gallente: 20% Increase to range of warp scrambler/disruptor/level. 5% increase to large hybrid damage/level 6/5/7
Fills the role of.... slow ass recon with no ewar range?
Quote: Minmatar: 20% increase to range of stasis webifiers/level. 5% increase to RoF on large projectiles/level 6/6/6
Cute. No. Even more worthless than the tempest.
Quote: Caldari: 5% increase to missile damage, 5% increase to launcher RoF. 5/7/4 with 125m3 drone bay. Caldari need a good old fashioned gank boat.
Obvious caldari pilot here. The raven puts out 1200 DPS at 30km without breaking a sweat, and you want to give it another 200-250? Puh-lease. |
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nuclear Warrior I was thinking about it, and Caldari are lacking a decent drone BS and any real means of bringing a good gank machine to the field (Mega, Geddon, Typhoon respectively.) where as the other 3 races are missing Ewar BS's.
Something along the lines of:
Amarr: Nos/Neut BS with the bounuses 10% increase to Nos/Neut range and cap use/level. and 5% armor resistance/level. Thinking alot of PG with 7 highs and 4 turret slots just incase you didn't want to got full Neut/nos. 7/4/7
Gallente: 20% Increase to range of warp scrambler/disruptor/level. 5% increase to large hybrid damage/level 6/5/7
Minmatar: 20% increase to range of stasis webifiers/level. 5% increase to RoF on large projectiles/level 6/6/6
Caldari: 5% increase to missile damage, 5% increase to launcher RoF. 5/7/4 with 125m3 drone bay. Caldari need a good old fashioned gank boat.
Thoughts? Post your own, see what we can come up with.
Terrible ideas.
Amarr: nos/neut is one of the most vicious things in the game. A giant Curse? Instant cap death to anything inside 50km. Will murder just about anything that isn't full passive. And an armor resist bonus? Hah.
Minmatar: webbing at long range? Really? It'll kill support like crazy. Not to mention holding every short ranged BS at arms length. No way.
Gallente: increased tackle range. Right. Pretty meaningless, particularly when combined with the horrible lock speed of battleships. Now, if you had a scan res on a BS of about 550 base and a long scram range, that might work.
Caldari: probably about the most balanced idea of the four. Being able to tune your damage type to your target's tank will really increase the total DPS. |
Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:30:00 -
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I like your setup ideas, and that you pointed out that there are lackluster E-war BS's for the other races, but frankly i think that caldari are fine without a drones BS. But i so think that those other setups you mentioned for the other races were good suggestions so, here is my suggesstion for another BS for the caldari.( criticise it as mush as you want ;) )
A BS thats geared toward cap support. Not sure about bonuses, i though of just this minute :P
just my two cents. |
Jonas Cooke
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:37:00 -
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Is there even tier 4 for anything except frigates, maybe?
Why not just do Tier 2 Maurauders? |
Vyllana
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vyllana on 22/04/2009 15:06:04 I just want an Amarr Khanid battleship, something along these lines:
7 hi (6 launcher hardpoints) / 4 med / 8 low 5% torpedo damage / level, 5% armor resists / level
Also I don't think we should have tier 4 battleships. Can just be a 2nd tier 2 or tier 3 ship, like there are multiple tier 2/3 cruisers and frigates.
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Dallenovic
Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:07:00 -
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[Raven, GaNK] Power Diagnostic System II Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II
Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
1100 dps max skills, this is on par with other gank battleships, but i usually swap out a bcu for pdu for more shields, can overheat invus for some time also. I also agree tier 3 BC's come first
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