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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 12:30:00 -
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Zanon Ar'Dhaos said ôIt doesn't specify what kind of battleship it was.ö True but it said drones and hybrids so I assume one of the Gallante ones.
Non pod crews are Raven 7400 Tempest 6500 Megathron 6900
I need to check the rest when I get home if I have them. I have a folder full of the blueprints with size, weight, crew e.c.t
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.21 12:38:00 -
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Many pod pilot ships are capable of sporting a full crew with exception to smaller ships where room is very limited.
Minimal crew however is drasically lower. In this chonricle the captaian mentioned that some of the crew members aboard had thier families with them, a practice not seen on any mordern real world warships.
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X1994
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Posted - 2009.04.21 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Zanon Ar'Dhaos said ôIt doesn't specify what kind of battleship it was.ö True but it said drones and hybrids so I assume one of the Gallante ones.
Non pod crews are Raven 7400 Tempest 6500 Megathron 6900
I need to check the rest when I get home if I have them. I have a folder full of the blueprints with size, weight, crew e.c.t
I've seen these blueprints and there is no indication these are for non-pod ships. Also, the pod only replaces the bridge crew, so a few hundred people max.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Hikage Corporation Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.04.21 13:08:00 -
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Funny. On some forum I follow, we were discussing about ship crews (or lack thereof).
Then, this little gem pops into existence.
Besides proving my point wrong on that forum, I deeply thank Abraxas. One of the best reads of the Chronicles section indeed.
We are capriocious demigods, naked emperors (and empresses) of the empires we call ships.
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XenoPagan
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Posted - 2009.04.21 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: X1994 I've seen these blueprints and there is no indication these are for non-pod ships. Also, the pod only replaces the bridge crew, so a few hundred people max.
this
and, great chronicle! I love those that have capsuleers in them. additionally this chronicle at last gives more ammo against "pod ships have now crews" and "crew always dies because we don't see escapepods on our overview" crowd
very, very good read
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Zanon Ar'Dhaos
Caldari Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.04.21 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Zanon Ar'Dhaos said ôIt doesn't specify what kind of battleship it was.ö True but it said drones and hybrids so I assume one of the Gallante ones.
It also says though that the drones were for picking off the little ships, not the big ones, and that's something I think nearly all of us do regardless of ship if we're in a BS fighting a swarm of pirates. You might well be right, but it could have been Caldari too. Even if it wasn't, a crew reduction of 500-900 (for the Tempest and Mega stats you listed) for a pod ship, plus more if families counted, is significant. That's the elimination of virtually all command officers at least plus increased efficiencies in other areas. Those numbers seem high anyway, although I assume that's to take into account a three shift schedule or something so that the ship can be active all the time.
Originally by: Nova Fox Minimal crew however is drasically lower. In this chonricle the captaian mentioned that some of the crew members aboard had thier families with them, a practice not seen on any mordern real world warships.
Well not modern ones, but then again modern ships aren't out of touch for as long either. Given that in the sailing era warrant officers did sometimes take their wives (although enlisted men and other officers did not I think) it doesn't seem impossible it could happen again, particularly if there was extra space freed up in a pod ship. Probably would depend on the size of the ship, the mission, and the whims of the captain (who is after all the ultimate authority onboard).
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Ben Walker
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Posted - 2009.04.21 14:37:00 -
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Simply Brilliant
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RabbidFerret
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2009.04.21 14:56:00 -
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I really enjoyed it. I love getting a bit of perspective from the crew side of a capsuleer ship. Keep up the good work!
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Borsek
Gallente A.A.A space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:07:00 -
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I bow to you, good sir. This chronicle was pure win... hopefully there'll be more chronicles about capsuleers in the future. Great read and a very interesting story!
/japanesebow (head to the floor and stuff) I eat pie, then you die. |
Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:24:00 -
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Guess that answers the debate that has been raging in CAS lately.
It would be nice to see the crew eject just before your ship pops.
Good read. |
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Mort Eveson
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôI bet the money that went into this whole setup could feed a family for a year." I found that line very odd and out of place. The price of a battleships modules would keep all 6000 crew familyÆs feed for a year with plenty to spare. Why would he say feed a family when that goes without saying? To me thatæs like saying I bet the price of the wheels of that car would by a loaf of bread.
I assumed that this line referred to the set up keeping the crew member alive, e.g. he's spending what would pay for a family to live for a year on what is in reality a whim. |
Svetlana Daala
Gallente Eridanus Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:30:00 -
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This was the first Chronicle I ever read, and I must say that it was an amazing story. Great work!
I love the reference to ship crews, makes me think of the Clear Skies machinima. |
Blake Rathen
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:57:00 -
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Wonderful story - you are an awesome writer, Abraxas! If there is ever another EVE novel, I hope you consider writing it.
Great to see a capsuleer interacting with the plebes. We aren't all that heartless; however, the ruthless pursuit of traitors is a certainty.
Can't say that I wouldn't give up the chance to slap around the self-righteous either, given the chance...!
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente Interstellar Stormfront
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:59:00 -
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Great chronicle. Nice insight into the mind of a capsuleer.
Add me to the list of pilots who don't blow up habitation modules.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 21/04/2009 16:01:02 The more I think about it the more this story contradicts known lore. In older lore pod pilot crews didn't have free will and didn't have skills. The pod pilot controlled the crew members. When a pod pilot wants to fire weapons he takes over the body of the gunner and the gunner is unable to move his own body. If a gun needed reloading the pod pilot did it by controlling human bodys. It's the pod pilot's skills that determine how fast a weapon reloads or aims not the crew member. Unless this is a pod pilot who decided to drop all the advantages of being a pod pilot and went with an normal crewed ship the story makes little sense.
The problem is the story is written as though it's a normal ship with a normal non pod pilot crew.
"and make the first reloaded shell catch on it." Parien took a deep breath. "And before you ask, the drones are even easier." Errm how? Considering the average crew member has no knowledge about them and zero access to them. On top of that the access to the drones should be though the pods interface which the normal crew cannot access.
"ve seen these blueprints and there is no indication these are for non-pod ships. Also, the pod only replaces the bridge crew, so a few hundred people max." Unless I am remembering wrong the blueprints come from CCPS old site of non pod pilot ships. Where in the lore does is say the pod only replaces bridge crew?
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Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Caldari Caercamel Corporate Interdictions
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Posted - 2009.04.21 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Emrys Ap''Morgravaine on 21/04/2009 16:10:40 It strikes me that the drones are easy?
"Driver Rollback" anyone?
On a serious note though, not only do I sincerely doubt that a bridge crew numbers into the hundreds, I wonder about the practicality of escape pods for everyone on smaller ships. Our own pod alone is of a not unsubstantial size, even allowing that a pod of our size might fit 6-8 regular people plus supplies (oxygen/food/etc).
Lets say 6 for easy numbers, 6000 crew on a battleship, so that would be 1000 pods. At a volume of 1K, and a mass of 32,000KG each. so 6K volume and 192,000KG total. Plus whatever associated mass for the ejection systems.
So scaling that down for smaller ships, you're still going to have a massive amount of redundant mass compared to the ship mass.
Back on topic though, an otherwise thoroughly excellent chronicle. Abraxas - any chance of you doing a full length book at some point?
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Reecoh Soltar
Exotic Dancer Talent Agency
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Posted - 2009.04.21 16:44:00 -
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Excellent read! Keep 'em coming!
Originally by: Pottsey I need to check the rest when I get home if I have them. I have a folder full of the blueprints with size, weight, crew e.c.t
Are these up on the web somewhere still? If not, any chance you might visit eve-files in the near future? I've found a few via Google, but it sounds like only a small bit of them.
Originally by: CCP Prism X When life throws you lemons you go... throw them at someone else and make a profit.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 16:48:00 -
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Send me an email to [email protected] and I will send you a zip with them all in. I used to have them hosted but no more. I have 26 blueprints but a few are hard to read. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 17:26:00 -
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Quote: The more I think about it the more this story contradicts known lore. In older lore pod pilot crews didn't have free will and didn't have skills. The pod pilot controlled the crew members. When a pod pilot wants to fire weapons he takes over the body of the gunner and the gunner is unable to move his own body. If a gun needed reloading the pod pilot did it by controlling human bodys. It's the pod pilot's skills that determine how fast a weapon reloads or aims not the crew member. As for the guns on a battle ship they are to large to load ammo manually. So why use a crew to push an automated button when the pod pilot can do it via the neural interface?
Sorry Pottsey, but nowhere was ever mentioned, that the Capsuleer, takes over the Body of a Crew Member. So no, the Chronicle does not contradict anything. In fact it does add much information to the relationship between ship and crew.
For a Capsuleer it is not about about commanding a Ship, or flying a Ship, but about being the Ship. Activating the engines is like using the Legs. Firing weapons like twitching a finger and the Capacitor Power is in a way like your heartbeat. The Ship is controlled for the most part without conscious effort, but it's Crew is needed to be there just to keep the organism tunning.
A Capsuleer does not need to know what every Crewmember does at any given time, but they need their Crew to their Job to keep everything running smoothly, or fix things fast, if problems appear. I would guess most Capsuleers would only become consciously aware of what their Crew does, if a problem appears.
Think about a Crewmember like a particular Cell of your Body. You do not need to know what the Cell does and might not even cause problems if the Cell is lost, as long as there are enough other to take it's function. But just because a particular Cell is insignificant, it's Function is likely very important.
In this Story we have a particular Cell of your Ship becoming cancerous, infecting and destroying the whole organism.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.04.21 17:50:00 -
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Had me glued to my screen from beginning to end. Well done sir, well done <3
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 18:08:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon said " Sorry Pottsey, but nowhere was ever mentioned, that the Capsuleer, takes over the Body of a Crew Member." It might have been in some of the Eon chronicles instead of the web ones but I read it for sure. There was a bit about pod pilots taking over the body of crew members. 95% sure it talked about the gunner and the interface between the pod pilot and crew. It was a case of the gunner become an extension of the pod pilot. To save me reading though 5+ years of chronicles can anyone else remember this or where about it was?
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Gahrian Ketar
Minmatar SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:09:00 -
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Best chronicle so far imho.
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Mea Bloanasir
Minmatar Nutz N Boltz Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.04.21 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chronicle I was in the middle of dismantling the Gurista fleet, and had already targeted their colonial base, when my guns failed to reload. All of them. And as if that wasn't bad enough, my drones decided to develop free will at that precise moment, rocketing off to fight each their separate ship in some brief, suicidal ballet.
Was I the only one who thought "Damn, module lag's even affecting the chronicles now"?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 20:50:00 -
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Blueprints sent to those that asked. Please check your jumkmail box for some reason my emails to google mail end up in the junk mail box. |
john rolen
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:30:00 -
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well first let me just say amazing cronicle i like the ones that occasionally show the relations beetween crew and the capsolers that fly the ship. also the way the story was put together dark with a meaning reflecting on pilots actions loved it! currently i desided that for fun i would write a novel/series on the GBC NC war as well on the formation of bob shorly after the great northern war and this pilot crew connection was exactly what i neeeded. As well it cleared up some questions about crew in ships and helped to give me more ideas on no only life in crusers and battleships and capitals but also gave me some ideas/speculations on life in a pos or a station. all in all i must say awsome story very well done cant wait for next one. |
Apoctasy
The Python Cartel. The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:50:00 -
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How exactly was the capsuleer Silat walking about? If there is a chronicle explaining this, please link it to me. |
Sodhi
Minmatar TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.22 00:09:00 -
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I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure my ships don't have crews. I don't remember ever paying them. If there are crews, I'm immediately replacing them with AIs, drones and direct mindlinks to my systems. Things will be much more efficient and predictable that way, and I can eliminate life support systems outside my pod. My ship will be significantly lighter with all those air ducts, lighting, control panels, personal effects, nonworking family members and crew quarters removed. The mass of the atmosphere alone must be several tons on a battleship. I don't care, I'm still free You can't take the sky from me |
Ronny Hendriks
FireStar Inc Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:13:00 -
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very very nice Chronicle! one of the best i've read in a long time! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Ryunosuke Kusanagi on 22/04/2009 04:15:17
Originally by: Zanon Ar'Dhaos
Originally by: Pottsey “But for the ones on that ship - those six thousand people who worked with you,” The older lore and old blueprints of non pod ships talked about six thousand people on the non pod ships. Shouldn’t pod ships be well under 6000 people? The lore says pod ships have a drastically reduced crew. How come this pod ship has the same crew as a non pod ship?
It doesn't specify what kind of battleship it was. I don't remember exactly, but don't crews vary from ship to ship and race to race? Some of them seem to favor larger crews, either for cost/historical reasons (Amarr slave crews) or from a lack of some of the more expensive higher tech bases. The Gallente in particular are supposed to (as would be expected in more of a republic-democracy) have much less volunteer man power and depend more and more on drone defenses. It seems fair to guess this would extend to their ships as well.
With that said I agree that self-consistency is important and some stories don't quite jive. Even if they keep it private CCP should probably have some sort of internal Wiki or whatever laying all of this out that they can refer to, so that drift doesn't creep in.
Actually it does. They were fighting Guristas, so thus you can infer that they were most likely Caldari. Battleship, only 3 choices there. a) Raven, b) Scorpion, c) Rokh
Since it said specifically Rails, you can eliminate the Raven. Since it DIDN'T mention any ECM, you can eliminate the Scorpion. The last canidate is the Rokh. :)
edit: also, prior to this I alsways thought of ships of having been installed with automated equipment. kinda like umm Gundums or other large mechs :p |
Misaniovent
Blood Phage Syndicate Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:01:00 -
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I have a feeling this is going to become CCP's standard response to petitioned ship losses.
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