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Ad Valorem
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Posted - 2009.04.20 11:47:00 -
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Hi,
I've read the many guides and have my heart set on a small POS to dip my toes into the whole science and industry thing. I'm currently dabbling in ammo inventing as well. So lets say I have budgeted everything I need for a small POS in high sec and am pretty much ready to go...but:
- should i do it? I'm sure it will be a learning experience but how useful will it be for a one man operation? Do I need an ammo assembly thing? one, two or three labs? a corp hangar? and POS defenses?
- can anyone suggest a good small gallente POS set up?
- so a POS means less wait for research, copying, maybe even production(?), how do i use that to get a return on the investment? |
hiwaydog
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Posted - 2009.04.20 11:49:00 -
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First of all, don't set up a small. I would suggest at least a med, and possibly a large. You will quickly outgrow the small, and taking it down to put up a bigger one is a giant pain in the smalls.
as for what to put on it, buy the arrays as you need them would be my suggestion
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Mega Superawesome
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Posted - 2009.04.20 12:19:00 -
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You're going to want to go with a medium at least, preferrably Caldari as they have the most CPU for lots of delicious labs.
Also, preferably faction, either guristas or dread, what you pay extra in the cost of the tower pays off for itself in less fuel being bought, but importantly being hauled as well, especially if you don't have a freighter.
You can run a POS by yourself in highsec no problem. To make my life easier when I first setup, I stockpiled 2 months of fuel in the system that the POS was in. I got all of my mods and stuff online and have been running it without a hitch ever since.
POSes save you time in not waiting for research slots, allowing you to do all of your research for "free" even though you're paying for the fuel ofc. I haven't done the manufacturing thing in a pos, so I'm not sure there.
My setup that I'm using right now:
Dread Guristas Medium Shadow Warp Disruptor (o) DG Jammer Amarr (o) DG Jammer Caldari (o) DG Jammer Min (o) DG Jammer Gal (o) Medium Autocannon (o) Medium Autocannon (o) Medium Arty (o) Advanced Lab (o) Advanced Lab (o) Reg Lab (o) Reg Lab (o) Reg Lab (o)
Medium Arty Battery X 4 (a) Medium Autocannon X 2 (a) Shadow Warp scrambling battery X 2 (a)
o = anchored and online a = anchored online
If I get decced, I pull the labs down, online all the guns and sit my pos gunner alt in the pos and wait for the lols.
Posted with an alt, just in case.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.20 13:59:00 -
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You could save yourself the bother of running your own POS and just take up a tennancy at one of mine. You just join one of my corps and gain access to my POS labs. You don't have to worry about fuel or defence, I deal with that. The only fees are charged when you use the slots, just like NPC ones.
My pricing is:
20k per hour for Reverse Engineering 15k per hour for Copying 14k per hour for ME research 250 per hour for PE research 1k per hour for Invention 1k per hour for Manufacturing
You should compare the costs of using this kind of facility with running your own and factor in the time and effort saved.
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Warped Pestilence
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Posted - 2009.04.20 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby You could save yourself the bother of running your own POS and just take up a tennancy at one of mine. You just join one of my corps and gain access to my POS labs. You don't have to worry about fuel or defense, I deal with that. The only fees are charged when you use the slots, just like NPC ones.
The main reason I put up a tower is because empire slots are simply never available. If you only have a few blueprints to research, invent or copy, I would seriously look into research corps/alliances like this. The convenience can outweigh the trouble of keeping everything going yourself.
If you do want to maintain a tower, IMHO, I suggest just sticking with a small, non factional, Caldari tower as it is only non-factional small tower that will support x3 Advanced Labs. I have anchored and maintained all three sizes of towers before with the end result being one small Caldari that is online and a second small tower that I have just anchored in some far-off distant system. When needed, I can anchor whatever array I need and online this backup tower within a few minutes. My research alt shares the single small tower with one other RL friend and we are very happy with it. And with the max number of research jobs one single character can maintain being 11, there's no way you can use (at the same time) all the ME, PE, and other slots that 3 labs can offer.
The main reasons I found to use a medium/large tower are: 1. Resources. If you have more than one person using the tower, it will almost for sure require a medium/large tower to support their activities. 2. Protection. For anchoring in low/null sec space, or your corp tends to get wardeced, the firepower from a medium (much less a large) tower is such a huge difference from a small tower it's almost comical. 3. Future expansion. As mentioned, unanchoring any tower is a pain and security risk with you sitting there waiting for up to hours at a time for the tower to become ready for scoopage, so, if you think you will want to run assembly, refining, or, reactor arrays, definitely go with a medium at least.
The benefits of running a SMALL tower SOLO are: 1. Cost. With the price per fuel load being around half that of a medium 2. Target value. When someone does wardec you, the option of removing all the juicy labs and perhaps onlining a few more guns is A) fun to watch as the attackers struggle with not getting tower pwned, and, B) a less expensive loss if they are successful at popping the tower. I would rather have 100-120m ISK lost than double or triple that. And again, it will hopefully cost the attackers one (or a few) expensive battleships before it's all said and done. Along this note, I personally would never wardec a corp just so I could try and take out their one small tower that has a decent rack of weapons. 3. Quicker deployment, removal and fueling. A large tower will require multiple hauler trips or the use of a freighter (flying brick) just to refuel it every time. Anchoring and unanchoring a small is also much quicker, albeit still slow.
Small towers for sure have their place. Although this is most often only as a hisec research POS, they are fairly inexpensive (usually less than the cost of a tier 3 battleship) to purchase and depending on what you do with it, can be a wise investment.
And, yes, I too am posting this with an alt :P
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Ad Valorem
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Posted - 2009.04.21 08:47:00 -
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Thanks so much for your replies and advice.
I have considered using research services but I'd like to have a go at my own POS - I mean, if its profitable for research services maybe I can turn a profit too?
Secondly, I'm pretty much decided on a small POS - if I have to upgrade it in future so be it but as I'm not sure how much it will be used or exactly how I am going to use it I think I'll try to keep costs down.
So is a small POS capable of manufacturing? Are there any advantages or disadvantages to manufacturing as well as having 1 or 2 small labs in a small POS (remember its just a 1 man operation)? And is there a 'typical' small POS set up?
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance
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Posted - 2009.04.21 11:10:00 -
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fitz has a good post in this section of the forums with fittings. A small wont get you more then an ammo or a drone array and 1 or 2 labs. But it will give you the opportunity to test the waters before making the huge investment that comes with a larger tower.
You can also get a program called MyPos in the stickies in this forum as well that will let you try to see if your pos mods will fit on your tower before you buy anything.
Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield. |
Kalpaks II
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Posted - 2009.04.21 12:17:00 -
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Small one is an easy and fun target
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Varisto
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Posted - 2009.04.21 12:51:00 -
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I set up small research pos myself. Mainly one reason: to learn manage pos as well as labs. Got one mobile lab, lots of guns and pretty much everyone leaves my pos alone. Just expanded with advanced mobile lab.
Manufacturing can be done easy enough in NPC stations. So i use pos for research only and small safe heaven in otherwise pirate infested systems. AS my BPO pool is in NPC station, anyone doing their homework before attacking pos realises theres not much to gain by attacking it, since i do have corporate office in system.
Since i trained scientific networking, can manage research anywhere upto 10 jumps away. Only need to visit pos to refuel it and make sure all guns have full stock of ammunition just in case.
To me running small time research operation is fun thing to do. Doing just fine with mobile lab + advanced one. Definetly change for that damn mining asteroids all time.
Posted as alt to protect inocent as usuall.
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KingCappo
Seigers of Doom
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Posted - 2009.04.21 14:17:00 -
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You can squeeze an ammo assembly array and three labs onto a small caldari tower.
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Wideen
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.04.21 14:21:00 -
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Do a large faction one, like true sansha/dark blood. Will save you fuel, it has **** loads of pg for awesome laser betteries which don't use any cpu so you can still put up like 10 labs and have guns on there.
I just experienced this, my alt corp had two small poses, got deced and it was a B trying to defend them since they can fit F all ... so save yourself the time, the isk and the trouble; get a large one.
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Vinthakhis
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:37:00 -
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Can POS's in high sec be attacked during war? I read somewhere that they are safe and cannot be attacked without concord response.
Originally by: Kalpaks II Small one is an easy and fun target
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Ad Valorem
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vinthakhis Can POS's in high sec be attacked during war? I read somewhere that they are safe and cannot be attacked without concord response.
Originally by: Kalpaks II Small one is an easy and fun target
Yes indeed, hence everyone posting with alts above. Only in war however, I beleive there will be a flight of conchords to protect the POS if it does not belong to a war target.
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Asperoth
Caldari Unwakeable Nightmare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vinthakhis Can POS's in high sec be attacked during war? I read somewhere that they are safe and cannot be attacked without concord response.
Originally by: Kalpaks II Small one is an easy and fun target
There used to be a bug where even POS's owned by a war decced corp would bring a Concord response when attacked. That was fixed quite some time ago. If your corp is war decced, your towers can be attacked and Concord will not respond. |
Kalpaks II
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Asperoth
Originally by: Vinthakhis Can POS's in high sec be attacked during war? I read somewhere that they are safe and cannot be attacked without concord response.
Originally by: Kalpaks II Small one is an easy and fun target
There used to be a bug where even POS's owned by a war decced corp would bring a Concord response when attacked. That was fixed quite some time ago. If your corp is war decced, your towers can be attacked and Concord will not respond.
This. Havent seen Concord, but big booms many times
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Numpty McNiblets
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Posted - 2009.04.22 23:31:00 -
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A one-man corp dabling does not need a large faction tower.
A small Caldari is all you need and if you want more( meaning you are probably using 2 accts and multiply characters) you can launch another small, or med or whatever.
I would go with 1 advanced, 2 regular labs + ammo assembly + anchored but offline medium projectile artillery batterys on a Caldari small.
Faction towers are generally not worth the extra cash, unless it would go uninvested otherwise.
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