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Mordican
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Posted - 2009.04.15 18:33:00 -
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I'm exploring my options for PvP and have been looking along the lines of the Vexor/Ishtar route. I see a lot of builds with Neuts and NOS fits and I have a few questions about them. I've heard and read some things here and there, but I would like a few definate answers. Thanks ahead of time
1. A Neut's power drain amount is the same no matter what size ship you are using it against correct? For example a medium neut will drain 175 power from a ship regardless if its a frig, cruisers, battleship, etc. and you can Neut them and keep Neuting them once they get to 0?
2a. I've heard that a NOS only works if you have less cap then the person you are targetting, is that true?
2b. If the above is true I am assuming it is a percent base, not actual remaining cap?
2c. Lets say I am in a cruiser and NOS a Frig, I'm at 10% cap, he is at 15% cap. The NOS will drain him to 0, would I get the full NOS amount or would it just take him down to 10% and give me the rest?
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.04.15 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mordican I'm exploring my options for PvP and have been looking along the lines of the Vexor/Ishtar route. I see a lot of builds with Neuts and NOS fits and I have a few questions about them. I've heard and read some things here and there, but I would like a few definate answers. Thanks ahead of time
1. A Neut's power drain amount is the same no matter what size ship you are using it against correct? For example a medium neut will drain 175 power from a ship regardless if its a frig, cruisers, battleship, etc. and you can Neut them and keep Neuting them once they get to 0?
2a. I've heard that a NOS only works if you have less cap then the person you are targetting, is that true?
2b. If the above is true I am assuming it is a percent base, not actual remaining cap?
2c. Lets say I am in a cruiser and NOS a Frig, I'm at 10% cap, he is at 15% cap. The NOS will drain him to 0, would I get the full NOS amount or would it just take him down to 10% and give me the rest?
1. It's like all other modules based on the module not the target. There is no module which you activate and will strain your own ship more or less depending on target.
2a. Yes. 2b. Yes. 2c. Yes, full amount until you hit 0. Parrots, commence!
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 01:02:00 -
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Can you definitely confirm the above? I know NOS effectively works indefinitely on NPCs, but surely it's different for players?
Say you've got a battleship with a heavy NOS, and you have a 4000 unit capacitor and it's currently at 75% (so 3000). You then use said NOS on a frigate which has a 180 unit cap, and is at 100% of it.
If you assume that NOS works with pure percentages then wouldn't that mean that you'd effectively wipe out that frigates cap in one pulse? Fair enough you wouldn't get more than one pulse off (as it would be capped out or much lower than you percentage-wise), but even so?
Is that an accurate assessment of NOS in PvP?
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.04.24 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel I know NOS effectively works indefinitely on NPCs
I'm almost positive this is wrong. NPCs do seem to run dry after an extended period.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.04.24 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 24/04/2009 01:15:36
Originally by: Durzel Can you definitely confirm the above? I know NOS effectively works indefinitely on NPCs, but surely it's different for players?
Say you've got a battleship with a heavy NOS, and you have a 4000 unit capacitor and it's currently at 75% (so 3000). You then use said NOS on a frigate which has a 180 unit cap, and is at 100% of it.
If you assume that NOS works with pure percentages then wouldn't that mean that you'd effectively wipe out that frigates cap in one pulse? Fair enough you wouldn't get more than one pulse off (as it would be capped out or much lower than you percentage-wise), but even so?
Is that an accurate assessment of NOS in PvP?
Yes, NOS work as long as the cap ratio between your current cap and your total cap is less than the equivalent ratio in the target ship. If that condition does not hold true your NOS won't do anything.
That said NOS can be used as a defensive weapon in cap warfare and is a great counter to Neuts. It can also be used to feed your neuts as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target, or if the taget has more total cap (in absolute values) than you do. =====
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R34PER
Esto Perpetua Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.24 07:50:00 -
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Excuse me if I am totally oldschool, but post nos-nerf
-NOS has sig radius penalty -You can't drain anything that is below 30% cap -You can't drain something that has less cap % than you.
Am I correct?
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honey bunchetta
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Posted - 2009.04.24 09:26:00 -
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If you are looking for a NOS ship try a active tanking domi:
If you run your reppers to the point you are dry of cap your NOS will constantly drain your targets cap and fuel one of your reppers.
The domi's dmg is from drones so is not cap dependant.
The NOS domi kills more by wearing down a opponent while tanking the incoming dmg more than through high DPS.
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Nannageddon
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.04.24 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel That said NOS can be used as a defensive weapon in cap warfare and is a great counter to Neuts. It can also be used to feed your neuts as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target, or if the taget has more total cap (in absolute values) than you do.
Could someone please clarify on the "as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target" bit? You NOS someone and NEUT them at the same time and...what happens? Or doesn't happen?
I would have thought you'd just be using their cap to kill...their cap (depending on the balance of NOS/NEUT and other cap usage).
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honey bunchetta
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Posted - 2009.04.24 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nannageddon
Originally by: Etho Demerzel That said NOS can be used as a defensive weapon in cap warfare and is a great counter to Neuts. It can also be used to feed your neuts as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target, or if the taget has more total cap (in absolute values) than you do.
Could someone please clarify on the "as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target" bit? You NOS someone and NEUT them at the same time and...what happens? Or doesn't happen?
I would have thought you'd just be using their cap to kill...their cap (depending on the balance of NOS/NEUT and other cap usage).
Your neut drains then constantly while your nos will drain them until their cap drops below yours and 60ish% (i think its around 60% but im not totally sure).
Cap managment is the key to using NOS as you need to remain empty for it to work, that is why ships that use capless weapons are most effective using NOS.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.04.24 09:56:00 -
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Neut ships are great, but yes it is ALL about cap management.
The NOS are not there to fuel your tank. They are there to add extra cap drain, while making the neuts less painful to run. Make sure you run your cap booster (a must on a nuet set-up btw) on manual, and then spam the repper buttons so you don't keep your cap for more than a few moments, keeping the nos running as long as possible.
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Imaos
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Posted - 2009.04.24 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: R34PER Excuse me if I am totally oldschool, but post nos-nerf
-NOS has sig radius penalty -You can't drain anything that is below 30% cap -You can't drain something that has less cap % than you.
Am I correct?
No. That were some of the ideas here on S&M, but there is no sig radius involved. You can drain down to zero. If you have zero cap you can NOS anybody. Last statement is correct.
Imaos ------------------------------------------
Originally by: NoNah
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Imaos
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Posted - 2009.04.24 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nannageddon
Originally by: Etho Demerzel That said NOS can be used as a defensive weapon in cap warfare and is a great counter to Neuts. It can also be used to feed your neuts as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target, or if the taget has more total cap (in absolute values) than you do.
Could someone please clarify on the "as long as your nos target is not the same as your neuts target" bit? You NOS someone and NEUT them at the same time and...what happens? Or doesn't happen?
I would have thought you'd just be using their cap to kill...their cap (depending on the balance of NOS/NEUT and other cap usage).
Nos and neuts on the same ship works. Effects depend on order of activation. If you neut them so that your percentage is higher than the oponents the following up nos wont do anything. If the nos comes before there cap % drops below yours both neuts and nos work.
It still works. It is just a little bit more complicated to manage.
Imaos ------------------------------------------
Originally by: NoNah
My friend, this is EVE, as it's a space oriented game, they couldn't have trolls. We have Caldari. |
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