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Iamien
Caldari Stargate SG-1 Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.04.15 21:11:00 -
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First time offense(unless extreme circumstances) gets the isk revoked. Repeated offenders get banned.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Iamien First time offense(unless extreme circumstances) gets the isk revoked. Repeated offenders get banned.
Intruders will be beaten; survivors will be shot? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations The Elders Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.15 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Iamien First time offense(unless extreme circumstances) gets the isk revoked. Repeated offenders get banned.
Intruders will be beaten; survivors will be shot?
naa it intruders will be shot, survivors will be made into value mince pies.
also as i'm in a heartless mod those account that are hacked after buying isk should not get there stuff back well maybe only 5000 isk the same as a new toon and if ccp has not removed the isk then after 30 days the isk/items to be removed again till the isk they got is fully paid back to ccp.
GTC help out others and also promote the game yes some very rich people do use it to get and hold power but the people that buy the gtc at lest if they can't aford the sub can play and more people playing manys more targets. 01101111 01100110 01100110 01100010 01100101 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01110010 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101001 01101111 01101110 |
Tuscanspeed
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Posted - 2009.04.16 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Iamien First time offense(unless extreme circumstances) gets the isk revoked. Repeated offenders get banned.
This is what I hope.
But I'd like to see a CCP Dev actually state such.
Kinda tired of seeing:
"We're tough on gold/isk/etc. sellers!!" "Do you ban the buyers too? Since you know, they're breaking the EULA as well." -Silence-
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscanspeed "We're tough on gold/isk/etc. sellers!!" "Do you ban the buyers too? Since you know, they're breaking the EULA as well." -Silence-
Why should they ban the ISK buyers? That only exposes them to threats of lawsuits.
No, they set the buyers (who got their nice new T3 ship blown up yesterday) 3 billion isk in the negative. Now he has to sell 10 plexes just to get back up to a point where he can play the game.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.04.16 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 16/04/2009 06:35:59
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab No, they set the buyers (who got their nice new T3 ship blown up yesterday) 3 billion isk in the negative.
If you buy ISK from RMT, CCP will take that money away from you. They do not set you 3B ISK in the red unless you happened to buy 3B ISK and spend it all before they caught up with you.
All that CCP takes away from the ISK buyers in the first instance is the ISK that was purchased. If you happen to have received your ISK in other forms, they'll take those away from you too (eg: dreads, moms, titans donated to you buy the RMT ISK farmers you rent your space out to).
Once they've clarified that certain accounts are run by known RMT farmers, those accounts are banned. If you repeatedly get caught buying RMT ISK, you'll get banned too.
Please don't go throwing around numbers like "3 billion isk in the negative" unless you understand the conditions that led to that person being that far in the negative.
In the meantime, if you'd prefer to pay someone else to farm up your ISK for you, there's a very healthy and vigorous market for GTC (in the Bazaar) or PLEX (in-game market).
(editing: looking for "EVE took all my ISK" posts from people caught buying RMT ISK)
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Alex Terman
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Iamien First time offense(unless extreme circumstances) gets the isk revoked. Repeated offenders get banned.
I learned from this *nods* Loyal ETC seller now ^.^
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Ryusoath Orillian
Minmatar INDUSTIENCE
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Posted - 2009.04.16 12:20:00 -
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they do not ban isk sellers. no reason to. they do not ban isk buyers unless they continually keep buying. they remove the isk once it has been sold.
this is the way it is. this is the way that makes ccp the most money. if they banned the sellers, they are just removing the income the sellers generate for them.
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Xing Pao
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:17:00 -
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Fact:
There is an absolute army of very visible farmers running missions 23/7. Bots spam scams 23/7
So, using computers to undermine the game in real life is evil YET YOU ENCOURAGE IT IN GAME????
Do you realize how moronic that policy is? You accuse isk sellers of not caring about their customers then you turn around and let your customers get ramjobbed in game the exact same way. In fact, you think it's a wonderful feature!
Puleeeeze you hypocrites!
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T'ealk O'Neil
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:50:00 -
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The thing I find frustrating is that of all the eve isk spammers that appear in the game, they all point to the same website. So my question CCP, is why do you not filter out all of the known isk selling websites, and use an automatic ban stick once an account uses one of these known sites x number of times.
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Tuscanspeed
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian they do not ban isk sellers. no reason to. they do not ban isk buyers unless they continually keep buying. they remove the isk once it has been sold.
this is the way it is. this is the way that makes ccp the most money. if they banned the sellers, they are just removing the income the sellers generate for them.
By CCP's own statement, sellers use hacked accounts and credit cards. So it stands to reason the sellers aren't paying much of anything sub wise. Other forms would be harder to track so I won't say they're not making money in other ways.
If a game company wants this type of behavior to stop, they need to ban both the buyer and the seller. If what you say is true, then there is no chance of curtailing this behavior and it's only going to get worse as more and more find out that banning isn't going to happen. They'll just hide the transfers better.
It still amazes me that such a simple question goes unanswered by every single MMO dev out there. What are they scared of?
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Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:12:00 -
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Iamien , I know a guy just like you in RL , he uses any,and I mean ANY, excuse to make his point to win an argument everytime, it is called The Napoleon Complex , how tall are you ? ====================
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Iamien
Contradiction. You tell us to buy isk from you, though slightly indirect. Then you tell us not to do business with isk sellers(Of which CCP is one).
Only that CCP doesn't actually sell ISK
this... they sell game time... This is a signature not related to EVE |
Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.16 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Doing business with ISK sellers encourages hacking, credit card fraud and other insidious activity - so donĘt do it!
FUD!!! FUD!! FUD!
You could have taken the next step and just came out and said it, "When you buy ISK the terrorist win".
Why is it you feel that you as a company can bash these ISK sellers. They are no longer the cancer eating away at your game, they are now your COMPETITORS.
You'll pardon the more skeptical member of the forums if we decide not to take to heart any of the slander you level at your competition.
You lost the moral high road the moment you started selling ISK, so just stick to informing us that it is a violation of your draconian EULA, and don't try to fearmonger your way into being the only source of purchased ISK.
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
digital0verdose
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.16 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Taken to extremes, water is a deadly poison.
What bother's me here is you might actually think this is an valid and intelligent comparison.
We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
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Public Consultant
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi A big part of the ISK currently being sold comes straight from hacked accounts and we will remove it without mercy even if it means placing wallets in the negative. Buying ISK is a EULA violation and it is by no means a victimless crime.
What a bunch of rubbish.
Originally by: GM Grimmi ...who often get keyloggers/trojans from their websites while doing business with them.
Yeah, sorry bud, that's not possible.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: GM Grimmi Doing business with ISK sellers encourages hacking, credit card fraud and other insidious activity - so donĘt do it!
FUD!!! FUD!! FUD!
You could have taken the next step and just came out and said it, "When you buy ISK the terrorist win".
Why is it you feel that you as a company can bash these ISK sellers. They are no longer the cancer eating away at your game, they are now your COMPETITORS.
You'll pardon the more skeptical member of the forums if we decide not to take to heart any of the slander you level at your competition.
You lost the moral high road the moment you started selling ISK, so just stick to informing us that it is a violation of your draconian EULA, and don't try to fearmonger your way into being the only source of purchased ISK.
That's like me saying, hey, you've sold your house in the past, so you should have no MORAL objection to me selling your house right now. After all, it's the same thing right? A house is being sold. Just because it belonged to you and I'm getting the money makes no difference YOU HYPOCRITICAL HOUSE SELLER!
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Orogaldeo
Amarr Extreme Solutions Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscanspeed
Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian they do not ban isk sellers. no reason to. they do not ban isk buyers unless they continually keep buying. they remove the isk once it has been sold.
this is the way it is. this is the way that makes ccp the most money. if they banned the sellers, they are just removing the income the sellers generate for them.
By CCP's own statement, sellers use hacked accounts and credit cards. So it stands to reason the sellers aren't paying much of anything sub wise. Other forms would be harder to track so I won't say they're not making money in other ways.
If a game company wants this type of behavior to stop, they need to ban both the buyer and the seller. If what you say is true, then there is no chance of curtailing this behavior and it's only going to get worse as more and more find out that banning isn't going to happen. They'll just hide the transfers better.
It still amazes me that such a simple question goes unanswered by every single MMO dev out there. What are they scared of?
You know nothing of Game Buisness/Internet Buisness. C.
They are scared about how the situation may evolve. Think of RMTs Bots, Farmers and spammers as Obstacle Avoidation Programs. You put a wall to their sides, they'll go where you want to. You put a wall in front of them, they'll turn around. You jail em, they start digging. And so on.
That's all, if CCP wants to avoid Bigger problems, they just avoid blocking those RMTs bots and spammers completely, leaving it to the player's common sense ().
What you think would happen if CCP started filtering Chats?
Think about it. ________________________________
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis =
That's like me saying, hey, you've sold your house in the past, so you should have no MORAL objection to me selling your house right now. After all, it's the same thing right? A house is being sold. Just because it belonged to you and I'm getting the money makes no difference YOU HYPOCRITICAL HOUSE SELLER!
No, your analogy fails, but if you really want a real estate comparison, here you are.
CCP rents houses. RMT people rent houses from them and sublet rooms in them to other people. CCP is ****ed because RMT can make money subletting out rooms in houses.
CCP loses nothing except a chance to rent a house to someone, because those people are going to cheaper alternatives. *** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Tuscanspeed
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Posted - 2009.04.16 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Orogaldeo
Originally by: Tuscanspeed
Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian they do not ban isk sellers. no reason to. they do not ban isk buyers unless they continually keep buying. they remove the isk once it has been sold.
this is the way it is. this is the way that makes ccp the most money. if they banned the sellers, they are just removing the income the sellers generate for them.
By CCP's own statement, sellers use hacked accounts and credit cards. So it stands to reason the sellers aren't paying much of anything sub wise. Other forms would be harder to track so I won't say they're not making money in other ways.
If a game company wants this type of behavior to stop, they need to ban both the buyer and the seller. If what you say is true, then there is no chance of curtailing this behavior and it's only going to get worse as more and more find out that banning isn't going to happen. They'll just hide the transfers better.
It still amazes me that such a simple question goes unanswered by every single MMO dev out there. What are they scared of?
You know nothing of Game Buisness/Internet Buisness. C.
They are scared about how the situation may evolve. Think of RMTs Bots, Farmers and spammers as Obstacle Avoidation Programs. You put a wall to their sides, they'll go where you want to. You put a wall in front of them, they'll turn around. You jail em, they start digging. And so on.
That's all, if CCP wants to avoid Bigger problems, they just avoid blocking those RMTs bots and spammers completely, leaving it to the player's common sense ().
What you think would happen if CCP started filtering Chats?
Think about it.
Think about what? Are you saying the problem would get worse if they banned buyers?
Or are you saying they don't ban buyers because they don't want to lose that player's account?
If it's the latter. Then there is no bad aspect of buying ISK for anyone with half a brain.
Disclaimer: The whole GTC/PLEX sale by CCP themselves did not set well with me, but given the state of other games, wasn't near as bad as other problems. At least they're attempting to do it a better way rather than just throw a link up on the homepage to pay cash for in game currency.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.16 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscanspeed
Originally by: Orogaldeo
Originally by: Tuscanspeed
Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian they do not ban isk sellers. no reason to. they do not ban isk buyers unless they continually keep buying. they remove the isk once it has been sold.
this is the way it is. this is the way that makes ccp the most money. if they banned the sellers, they are just removing the income the sellers generate for them.
By CCP's own statement, sellers use hacked accounts and credit cards. So it stands to reason the sellers aren't paying much of anything sub wise. Other forms would be harder to track so I won't say they're not making money in other ways.
If a game company wants this type of behavior to stop, they need to ban both the buyer and the seller. If what you say is true, then there is no chance of curtailing this behavior and it's only going to get worse as more and more find out that banning isn't going to happen. They'll just hide the transfers better.
It still amazes me that such a simple question goes unanswered by every single MMO dev out there. What are they scared of?
You know nothing of Game Buisness/Internet Buisness. C.
They are scared about how the situation may evolve. Think of RMTs Bots, Farmers and spammers as Obstacle Avoidation Programs. You put a wall to their sides, they'll go where you want to. You put a wall in front of them, they'll turn around. You jail em, they start digging. And so on.
That's all, if CCP wants to avoid Bigger problems, they just avoid blocking those RMTs bots and spammers completely, leaving it to the player's common sense ().
What you think would happen if CCP started filtering Chats?
Think about it.
Think about what? Are you saying the problem would get worse if they banned buyers?
Or are you saying they don't ban buyers because they don't want to lose that player's account?
If it's the latter. Then there is no bad aspect of buying ISK for anyone with half a brain.
Disclaimer: The whole GTC/PLEX sale by CCP themselves did not set well with me, but given the state of other games, wasn't near as bad as other problems. At least they're attempting to do it a better way rather than just throw a link up on the homepage to pay cash for in game currency.
You can't stop buyers nor sellers. You can't stop spam in Chats. You can't stop stupid people from doing stupid stuff without them complaining hard.
That's my point. What's yours? -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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FJ Dyson
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Posted - 2009.04.17 02:02:00 -
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What if you unknowingly conducted in-game business with someone who bought isk?
I did a few contracts (~ 1 billion isk worth) with someone who afterwards admitted to me that he bought the isk off a site. If I petition it, will the isk get taken away from me even though I did nothing wrong?
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Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.17 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: FJ Dyson What if you unknowingly conducted in-game business with someone who bought isk?
I did a few contracts (~ 1 billion isk worth) with someone who afterwards admitted to me that he bought the isk off a site. If I petition it, will the isk get taken away from me even though I did nothing wrong?
As far as I know, probably not. If you do, THEN you petition it. However, send in a petition and ask just in case.
Mental note: Guilty conscience is your worst enemy. Obviously what I say isn't always what my alliance thinks. I hate to break it to you, but this is in fact my signature.
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FJ Dyson
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Posted - 2009.04.17 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known
Originally by: FJ Dyson What if you unknowingly conducted in-game business with someone who bought isk?
I did a few contracts (~ 1 billion isk worth) with someone who afterwards admitted to me that he bought the isk off a site. If I petition it, will the isk get taken away from me even though I did nothing wrong?
As far as I know, probably not. If you do, THEN you petition it. However, send in a petition and ask just in case.
Mental note: Guilty conscience is your worst enemy.
I'll probably do this but I, and perhaps others, would appreciate it if a GM commented publicly on this.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.17 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: FJ Dyson
Originally by: Agent Known
Originally by: FJ Dyson What if you unknowingly conducted in-game business with someone who bought isk?
I did a few contracts (~ 1 billion isk worth) with someone who afterwards admitted to me that he bought the isk off a site. If I petition it, will the isk get taken away from me even though I did nothing wrong?
As far as I know, probably not. If you do, THEN you petition it. However, send in a petition and ask just in case.
Mental note: Guilty conscience is your worst enemy.
I'll probably do this but I, and perhaps others, would appreciate it if a GM commented publicly on this.
The chance of getting a GM or DEV to make a public statement on these forums is small. Even with CCP, where the devs talk far more than any I've seen in another game to date, they rarely make official statements in reply. This is actually standard practice, because these kinds of replies are often thrown back in their face when they have to handle situations later on ... or completely forgotten.
So, instead of GMs/Devs responding to every individual posters pestering on the forums, they limit official replies to petitions, which is usually (in other companies, at least, not sure with ccp) tagged and recorded and monitored for efficiency.
Just warning, in case you weren't already aware. Send your petition, don't ever expect a response to a forum post. Take the suggestion or not, it's your time not mine.
Luck to you.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.04.17 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Public Consultant
Originally by: GM Grimmi A big part of the ISK currently being sold comes straight from hacked accounts and we will remove it without mercy even if it means placing wallets in the negative. Buying ISK is a EULA violation and it is by no means a victimless crime.
What a bunch of rubbish.
Are you disputing the source of the ISK, ISK buying being a EULA violation, or the claim that RMT is not a victimless crime?
Quote:
Originally by: GM Grimmi ...who often get keyloggers/trojans from their websites while doing business with them.
Yeah, sorry bud, that's not possible.
You think it's not possible to get a keylogger or trojan by simply viewing a web page?
Drive-by infection can happen, has happened, and will keep happening while there are exploitable vulnerabilities in computer software.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.17 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tuscanspeed
Or are you saying they don't ban buyers because they don't want to lose that player's account?
If it's the latter. Then there is no bad aspect of buying ISK for anyone with half a brain.
Well... apart from the fact that they can spend large sums of money and receive nothing for it. Like whatsisname in Arcane, who just lost his lolfit Titan which was purchased with RMT'd ISK; at going rates he spent over $2,000. As & when the GMs catch up with him, he'll be out the $2000, have no titan and his wallet will be at -80,000,000,000 or so. That seems like a pretty bad aspect to me.
Originally by: Tuscanspeed
Disclaimer: The whole GTC/PLEX sale by CCP themselves did not set well with me, but given the state of other games, wasn't near as bad as other problems. At least they're attempting to do it a better way rather than just throw a link up on the homepage to pay cash for in game currency.
Yeah, I kind of didn't like it when I heard about it, but now I really believe it's a case of "least harm". It's not "good" as such, it's just that all the alternatives are worse. At the very least it means more people can play which is a good thing.
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I call it Karma.
pfft.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I call it Karma.
pfft.
You don't have to believe in karma to be screwed over by it
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Hixxy
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hixxy
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I call it Karma.
pfft.
you got A BEEF WITH ME?
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