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simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:00:00 -
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æMini DreadÆ that is allowed in high sec.
It would have a siege mod just like current dreads.
Its rep(s) and weaponry obviously would have to be altered.
4 high slots like current dreads.
Maybe low and medium slots would have to change.
Possibly use the system the jump freighters use for jumping it in and out of system?
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:18:00 -
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OR you could just use a battleship like everyone else. And then, he killed the dog... |
simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: simon perry on 14/04/2009 01:32:46 You cannot compare battleships damage to dreads, well not in siege. IÆm presenting an in-between.
Plus in siege youÆre stuck for 10 minutes and last time I checked (5 mins ago) when youÆre in a battleship you can warp out whenever?
ThatÆs like you saying, why use a cruiser, use a frig or why use a transport ship use a jump freighterà
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: simon perry Edited by: simon perry on 14/04/2009 01:32:46 You cannot compare battleships damage to dreads, well not in siege. IÆm presenting an in-between.
Plus in siege youÆre stuck for 10 minutes and last time I checked (5 mins ago) when youÆre in a battleship you can warp out whenever?
ThatÆs like you saying, why use a cruiser, use a frig or why use a transport ship use a jump freighterà
Dreads are for Low Sec POS bashing. LOW SEC. hell people still use BS gangs to take out POSes, there is no real need for their to be an inbetween. ITS COMPLETELY ****ING USELESS. And then, he killed the dog... |
simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:52:00 -
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So a large pos in high sec, how long will that take? 4 hours? 5 hours? more?
Yes dreads are for low sec/no sec BUT the point is this is for HIGH SEC.
And you using the term their useless is bullsh!t, thatÆs like saying the ity 1/2/3/4 is useless because their is an ity 5.
ItÆs not COMPLETLY ****ING USLESS, ITS JUST YOUR A ****ING RET4RD! WHO WONT EXCEPT NEW CONCEPTS AND THINK THEIR A KNOW IT ALL.
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.14 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 14/04/2009 01:56:12
Originally by: simon perry So a large pos in high sec, how long will that take? 4 hours? 5 hours? more?
Yes dreads are for low sec/no sec BUT the point is this is for HIGH SEC.
And you using the term their useless is bullsh!t, thatÆs like saying the ity 1/2/3/4 is useless because their is an ity 5.
ItÆs not COMPLETLY ****ING USLESS, ITS JUST YOUR A ****ING RET4RD! WHO WONT EXCEPT NEW CONCEPTS AND THINK THEIR A KNOW IT ALL.
ROFL. heres the pattern (indies not withstanding): frigate > destroyer > cruiser > battlecruiser > battleship > carrier > dreadnought > supercaps. youre just gonna have to live with taking a little time destroying a giant ass structure in high sec, you can get everything you want. CAPITAL SHIPS ARE HUGE. And then, he killed the dog... |
simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.14 02:14:00 -
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IÆd also like to point out that that is what every other cap uses too.
Either you read the post wrong or youÆre an idiot but so you know jump freightors can go through both gates and cyno's whereas other capitals are aloud cynos only. Either way LOL.
Indeed you canÆt have everything you want, but you can try... hang on isnÆt that the point of this forum section? To propose your idea's?
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emi nenCe
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.14 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: simon perry æMini DreadÆ that is allowed in high sec.
It would have a siege mod just like current dreads.
Its rep(s) and weaponry obviously would have to be altered.
4 high slots like current dreads.
Maybe low and medium slots would have to change.
Possibly use the system the jump freighters use for jumping it in and out of system?
this has to be the most in-depth and well thought out idea ever. yes, lets make it smaller and have less slots or something.
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simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.14 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: emi nenCe
Originally by: simon perry æMini DreadÆ that is allowed in high sec.
It would have a siege mod just like current dreads.
Its rep(s) and weaponry obviously would have to be altered.
4 high slots like current dreads.
Maybe low and medium slots would have to change.
Possibly use the system the jump freighters use for jumping it in and out of system?
this has to be the most in-depth and well thought out idea ever. yes, lets make it smaller and have less slots or something.
LoL, your right it wasnÆt thought out, it was something I like the idea of and thought I would suggest it, let people expand on it... probably even already been suggested in the past but ehh.
BTW I would have written more but itÆs late and I canÆt be bothered hehe.
Anyway so much for the expanding on it, seems people so far are just too closed minded. meh nvm.
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: simon perry seems people so far are just too closed minded. meh nvm.
Do you not see the irony in people saying they don't think it would work, and then you turn around and imply they have mental disabilities in addition of accusing them of being close minded?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Limited Liability Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Fantastic
Hai U guyz!!1! I haf n awsum idea!
Lez make it sew U can put a Doomzday Weepon onto the free Rookie bowts!
Originally by: Forum Public
Dude... that's the worst idea in the history of bad ideas.
Originally by: Mr Fantastic
Nuh uh... yer Mom is. lol Yer dumm if U donut like my ideaz!1!one!
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AtheistOfDoom
Amarr The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 14/04/2009 03:51:23
Originally by: simon perry
IÆd also like to point out that that is what every other cap uses too.
Either you read the post wrong or youÆre an idiot but so you know jump freightors can go through both gates and cyno's whereas other capitals are aloud cynos only. Either way LOL.
Indeed you canÆt have everything you want, but you can try... hang on isnÆt that the point of this forum section? To propose your idea's?
Its funny because you could always just say "and they could use stargates"... And then, he killed the dog... |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.14 03:58:00 -
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Mine was alot different.
1 XL module either a gun or a repper not both.
2-3 additional weapon slots for large class weapons.
Battlecruiser/Destoyer equivalent for Battleships, requiring no capitol skills to use other than the weapon systems.
Enhanced tracking for battleship and capitol ship destroying but it would start seeing difficulty hitting battlecruisers or faster.
Seige Mode (if allowed) has similar drawbacks of killing tracking ability and with either or modules fitted its tank isnt as good as a dread.
Alot cheaper estimated 300 million price tag.
One of two teirs in the same class, the other teir is the escort carrier with 10 fighters in hold (5 max control allowed) fits either xl repper or xl remote and no command link bonuses, also cant assign fighters and fighters from this carrier dont warp.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Eternum Pariah
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Posted - 2009.04.14 05:07:00 -
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.14 05:27:00 -
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POS high sec warfare I guess, but its not my idea Im not rolling the dice numbers or making the argument for him.
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Oregin
Gods Left Hand Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.14 07:58:00 -
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Sounds a lot like...we can't use the tools we use in lowsec so lets make them smaller to fit in highsec. What's next tiny bubbles? Highsec and lowsec are very different. Low sec and nullsec are very different. They are all very different styles of play and thats how its supposed to be, lets not water it all down and make it all so similar. There's a reason high sec POSs are good, because they take an age to take down with a gang of BS's, they also need a war to be on in order to legally manage this. However, they are a damn sight less useful than lowsec POSs which are compensated by the danger they face from dreads etc. Also, I think the name calling will definately make people listen to you, being the voice of reason and all. Keep it up.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.14 09:02:00 -
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Well since the OP is shooting objectors donw I wont give my spill on reasonings behind my dreadnaught, the roles it will fill and the true purpose behind it.
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Mithfindel
Khanid Unionist Movement
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Posted - 2009.04.14 09:24:00 -
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"high sec mini dread" = "POS/capital basher that can use gates"
In other words, the OP does wish a large, slow target. Since price doesn't ultimately matter and it is supposed that battleships are the fleet ships, they can't be effective against battleships.
Assuming a battleship-class or a derivative of the battleship (or a small "sub-capital" ship), these would use a limited amount of either XL turrets or 5 - 6 large turrets (less effective fleet ship than the battleship, right?) with a siege module making them unable to hit non-stationary targets of the size smaller than a moon, but have considerable damage increase against the targets it could hit.
The role of the ship would be occasional highsec POS bashing as well as the more likely cynojammer takedowns or even anti-POS ops under cynojammers. I am not exactly sure if a ship is needed for those roles, though admittedly if someone bothers to put up a semi-deathstar in high sec. I mean, what purpose would it serve? Perhaps combine it with a few labs, but still small POS are a lot cheaper to maintain and can be taken down before wardecs take effect.
Another considerable use here would be the usage of the ship against capital assets in high sec (mainly freighters - depending on whether the ship uses limited loadout of capital mods or battleship-sized mods, with full insurance it might make a suicide gank ship). This is something that needs to be taken into account: I do not think CCP would like to have a "high sec freighter suicide ganker" class in the game. This would basically mean that the ship class would need to be a T2 battleship class, with hulls costing about as much as cap ship hulls, but insurance amount being considerably lower. At the same time, the fact does kill its usefulness in actual combat.
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Also, is it only me, or have all the ADHD 1337 kids who don't have an attention span past OMG SOMEONE IS WRONG IN THE INTERNETS! TO THE FORUMS! migrated here after COAD alt posting was restricted? I'd much prefer proper manners.
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Psihius
Caldari Atomic Scrapyard
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Posted - 2009.04.14 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: Psihius on 14/04/2009 11:38:24 Get a t2 torp golem - here's your ship for blowing up POS in high-sec. It's damage is almost 2.5 times better than Raven's when skilled properly. Or any other marauder - they have higher DPS than battleships.
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.04.14 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: MJ Maverick on 14/04/2009 12:09:11
Seriously guys, there is a reason these ships arn't in the game. Can you imagine a 'mini-dread' in Jita? It would pay for it's own loss (eventually after 300 CONCORD turn up) with the amount of freighters it would down.
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Oregin
Gods Left Hand Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mithfindel Also, is it only me, or have all the ADHD 1337 kids who don't have an attention span past OMG SOMEONE IS WRONG IN THE INTERNETS! TO THE FORUMS! migrated here after CAOD alt posting was restricted? I'd much prefer proper manners.
I totally agree, almost every thread in Features has become a slagging match.
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Revoluti0nx
Invicta. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.15 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: simon perry æMini DreadÆ that is allowed in high sec.
It would have a siege mod just like current dreads.
Its rep(s) and weaponry obviously would have to be altered.
4 high slots like current dreads.
Maybe low and medium slots would have to change.
Possibly use the system the jump freighters use for jumping it in and out of system?
Just cause you got your high sec roq doesn't mean your going to get a high sec version of every cap ship.
If you don't care enough to take 4 or 5 hours to kill it you obviously don't care.
Quit your moanin' and hire some merc's
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simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Revoluti0nx
Originally by: simon perry æMini DreadÆ that is allowed in high sec.
It would have a siege mod just like current dreads.
Its rep(s) and weaponry obviously would have to be altered.
4 high slots like current dreads.
Maybe low and medium slots would have to change.
Possibly use the system the jump freighters use for jumping it in and out of system?
Just cause you got your high sec roq doesn't mean your going to get a high sec version of every cap ship.
If you don't care enough to take 4 or 5 hours to kill it you obviously don't care.
Quit your moanin' and hire some merc's
Where in my original post is there a moan? i did not moan, I dont see any moaning, I did however suggesting an idea.
Now STFU & get out my thread
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Sabbatine
Amarr Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:28:00 -
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I think the ship idea you have is called a "monitor ship" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_(warship) Basicly a cruiser with battleship guns. One of the few ship battleships fear. They are used to defend ports mostly from battleship attacks or bombard coastline. Good thing about them is there comparison, for every battleship there could be up to 4 monitor ships to equal crew, size, and amont of guns. Bad news is there lack of defence, but they make up for it in numbers and speed.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: simon perry LoL, your right it wasnÆt thought out, it was something I like the idea of and thought I would suggest it, let people expand on it...
Ill expand on it for you:
This Idea -> Trash Can
There simply is no need for this ship you ask for. It would be pretty lame if you could easily take out a high sec pos someone put a lot of time into being able to anchor. Keep making threads about it though and CCP will give it to you like what they did with the stealth bomber.
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MidnightMartyr
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Originally by: Mr Fantastic
Hai U guyz!!1! I haf n awsum idea!
Lez make it sew U can put a Doomzday Weepon onto the free Rookie bowts!
Originally by: Forum Public
Dude... that's the worst idea in the history of bad ideas.
Originally by: Mr Fantastic
Nuh uh... yer Mom is. lol Yer dumm if U donut like my ideaz!1!one!
That about sum it up?
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simon perry
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hesperius
Originally by: simon perry LoL, your right it wasnÆt thought out, it was something I like the idea of and thought I would suggest it, let people expand on it...
Ill expand on it for you:
This Idea -> Trash Can
There simply is no need for this ship you ask for. It would be pretty lame if you could easily take out a high sec pos someone put a lot of time into being able to anchor. Keep making threads about it though and CCP will give it to you like what they did with the stealth bomber.
You want to cry some more? Waa they altering the stealth bomber waa... lets go complain about peoples threads coz I didnÆt get my own way waaa.
Anyway... maybe there is a need for it, maybe there isnÆt, but there is nothing wrong in talking about it, developing it, ect, ect. By developing it I donÆt mean trash it coz you (no one important) donÆt like it.
P.S. - Thank you every one who has wrote helpful & polite comments so far.
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X3RC3S
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:15:00 -
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While a whole new ship class may not be necessary, there might be room for a BS class siege module. When active it could give you -1000% to tracking, -1000% falloff, +500% damage, reduced scan resolution and locking range and fix you in position like the cap mod but with a reduced siege cycle time. This would make you more effective at pos bashing but useless against everything else and vulnerable to everything (including dreads and carriers in sub 0.5, which could be used as a counter). This would leave a good risk/reward dynamic to using this module as well as retaining the battleship's flexiblity.
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Teth Soress
Minmatar The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:49:00 -
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I was thinking that something like a battleship but bigger would be cool. Frigates have destroyers and Cruisers have Battlecruisers, but there isn't a Battleship generic upgrade like the Destroyers or Battlecruisers skills. That could be cool.
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Teth Soress
Minmatar The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:51:00 -
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It's always funny in this forum when people get emorage because you suggest an idea they don't like.
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