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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.12 23:00:00 -
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With CCP declaring COSMOS dead and the epic mission arc system as replacement, perhaps it would be nice to have some agents that require dogtags, effects and wormhole materials in return for a standing gain or some loyalty points.
The problem with these items is that there are NPC buy orders on the market for them, which is an ISK faucet. In case of the dogtags some hand-ins are broken and give less standing than they should, plus they can only be handed in once. Overseer effects just translates into ISK.
There should be a player demand for these items, and alternative rewards upon handing them in than just plain ISK being pumped into the economy.
Some special LP shop would be nice in case of the WH stuff, with some items useful to R&D and production orientated characters but that is probably too much to ask for. Datacenter-like agents that award standing with R&D corps in case of WH stuff and some LP and faction standing in case of tags and effects might be more realistic.
Advantage of the epic mission arc system is that the missions can be made repeatable (with an X month delay of course) creating continuous player demand for these items. It might also be yet another way to repair pirate faction standing. ---
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.04.13 09:40:00 -
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no, since you should not be able to pay your way around doing the missions ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.04.13 10:30:00 -
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Supported
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Walmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.13 11:26:00 -
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I'd be interested to understand how much you'd want to reduce the mission payouts in order to increase the value of effects etc.
Do you see these as replacing a significant part of the mission payouts (and if so, would mission runners really want to increase the variability on their payouts? Most are in it for steady and easy isk) or are we just talking fluff scale?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.13 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Walmatar I'd be interested to understand how much you'd want to reduce the mission payouts in order to increase the value of effects etc.
Do you see these as replacing a significant part of the mission payouts (and if so, would mission runners really want to increase the variability on their payouts? Most are in it for steady and easy isk) or are we just talking fluff scale?
Actually most of the players do not run missions that just give dogtags because of the immense standing hits you get with the opposing factions.
Most tags come from ratting or factional warfare.
Effects come from plexes.
So why are we discussing mission payout? This would provide more income AND an alternative way to get standing for lowsec/0.0 residents that might not like to run missions. ---
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.13 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah With CCP declaring COSMOS dead and the epic mission arc system as replacement.
Wut?
Link to where this is stated, please.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.13 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah With CCP declaring COSMOS dead and the epic mission arc system as replacement.
Wut?
Link to where this is stated, please.
One of the CSM-CCP meetings, read minutes, not sure which one.
Now stay on topic please. ---
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.13 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Link to where this is stated, please.
One of the CSM-CCP meetings, read minutes, not sure which one.
Now stay on topic please.
I'm looking through your wiki, and the forums here, and i'm not seeing anything that says this.
Please point me to the correct minutes.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.13 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Link to where this is stated, please.
One of the CSM-CCP meetings, read minutes, not sure which one.
Now stay on topic please.
I'm looking through your wiki, and the forums here, and i'm not seeing anything that says this.
Please point me to the correct minutes.
Look I'm not going to waste time to look for it, especially since this is EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC. You can quote me for it, so why bother with the original one?
Basically what was said is that the COSMOS system is outdated, and with the new Epic Mission Arc tools CCP developed it is much easier to add new content. Thus CCP will not expand on any type of COSMOS missions, but instead add new content through Epic Mission Arcs. ---
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.13 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
Link to where this is stated, please.
One of the CSM-CCP meetings, read minutes, not sure which one.
Now stay on topic please.
I'm looking through your wiki, and the forums here, and i'm not seeing anything that says this.
Please point me to the correct minutes.
Look I'm not going to waste time to look for it, especially since this is EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC. You can quote me for it, so why bother with the original one?
Basically what was said is that the COSMOS system is outdated, and with the new Epic Mission Arc tools CCP developed it is much easier to add new content. Thus CCP will not expand on any type of COSMOS missions, but instead add new content through Epic Mission Arcs.
No need to get snippy.
You want opinions on the topic? Fine, but people have to know what you're on about before choosing to support or otherwise a proposal.
If you'd included the sentence about "introducing new content" in your original post, then that would have been great.
But instead you choose to attack someone asking for clarification on something you said?
Why should I support this now?
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Bunyip
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.14 09:50:00 -
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Interesting how you call it an ISK faucet. The risk of wormholes usually make it a challenge, and the rewards should accompany that risk.
It's an interesting idea about making them useful, but they should first look into making some of the other items in this game useful (passenger 'livestock', trade goods, etc). If this turns into a massive ISK faucet, I trust that CCP Eyjo and his crew will temper the influx. For now, the economy is working fine.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.14 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Interesting how you call it an ISK faucet. The risk of wormholes usually make it a challenge, and the rewards should accompany that risk.
I agree with that. But what does it have to do with the idea?
Originally by: Bunyip It's an interesting idea about making them useful, but they should first look into making some of the other items in this game useful (passenger 'livestock', trade goods, etc). If this turns into a massive ISK faucet, I trust that CCP Eyjo and his crew will temper the influx. For now, the economy is working fine.
Except that passengers and trade goods don't get spawned by wormholes, FW and so on, and it would be a massive amount of work to get that implemented, while the system for this idea already exists and fits in. ---
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.16 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The problem with these items is that there are NPC buy orders on the market for them, which is an ISK faucet. In case of the dogtags some hand-ins are broken and give less standing than they should, plus they can only be handed in once. Overseer effects just translates into ISK.
There should be a player demand for these items, and alternative rewards upon handing them in than just plain ISK being pumped into the economy.
But if you read the CSM-CCP 2.2 meeting log, you will realize that we already raised that issue and CCP thought that it was fine.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.16 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The problem with these items is that there are NPC buy orders on the market for them, which is an ISK faucet. In case of the dogtags some hand-ins are broken and give less standing than they should, plus they can only be handed in once. Overseer effects just translates into ISK.
There should be a player demand for these items, and alternative rewards upon handing them in than just plain ISK being pumped into the economy.
But if you read the CSM-CCP 2.2 meeting log, you will realize that we already raised that issue and CCP thought that it was fine.
So?
The dogtag handins are BORKED (some have been giving no standing for years), not repeatable and so on.
This also provides means to gain standing for ratters and explorers which is a very important thing. ---
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