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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
369
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:00:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :) he supports the vision and the essence of the game. Even if he doesn't play every role you can play in eve, he loves that he plays a game that allows for so many professions and play styles to exist. Go play a one player game. Or a game like guild wars 2. It's great I swear, awesome PvP, great PvE area, fun boss battles, real , whatever I don't need to advertise it, my point is guildwars 2 is not a sandbox, but it's also a good game, so if you don't like playing eve online, don't play it. There are other good MMOs! I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
She just doesn't want people to blow up her stuff, because she is a special snowflake whose feelings would possibly be hurt by the loss of her ship. Guys, please don't shoot her, it would be mean. Go play on the slide instead of being mean to the girl sitting in the corner playing by herself. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3639
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:06:00 -
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Still waiting for those "Malcanis is a badarse" links btw.
No pressure. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:06:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: I disagree. I think the people that wanted null sec got it and when they got it they discovered it was boring as **** and or they had to kowtow down to some ******* of a corp leader and be at the persons beck and call all the time and that created a lot of angst. Face it...null and low sec are broke because the players broke it. To many arseholes play in null and low sec and because they can't get their rocks off in null and low sec any longer, they decide to move back into high sec to just be the griefers they are and have always been.
Oh it is very true that the players are to blame . The players in high sec who hole up and have unintentionally forced CCP to change their vision of the game . The players in low sec that made low sec into the wretch that is now. The players in null sec have tried to make utopias but the mechanics are not there. the players could try harder but it always fails, ends up in civil war, or becomes overrun so yeah, it still comes down to the players (but they could use a lil more help from CCP) . However lets not forget the players in high sec also effect the game, when a majority of them decide to hole up in high sec this creates a major shift in game play . One cannot expect no ramifications. (this very fact is pivotal as to why their is so much angst) CCP is torn on the issue as well they introduced npc corp taxes to push people out, and into player corps. With the end result anticipated that more people would end up in null . Yet they introduce incursions to add more content into high sec. A strong high sec makes for a weaker null and until this is resolved you will have issues. Many of the people in null are not hateful greifers they are the people trying to play the original vision of eve . And the more that high sec is buffed (with players and mechanics) the more this vision will be dimmed.
If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
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TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
156
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:09:00 -
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This is really cute, OP, how about you post with your main?
Also, this is not WoW, you do not get your own carebear server. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
563
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:09:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any! EVE Online? Oh wait, I see what you're getting at ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6390
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:12:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up GǪnot to mention highsec, where there's also lots of things to blow up. So why on earth shouldn't they go there? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Shian Yang
63
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:13:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
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Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Greeings capsuleer,
That is as it should be. New Eden is a cold and harsh place and those who seek the safety of an experience far derived from other capsuleers will not enjoy this experience. I can't contrive of someone that would enjoy spinning naked in space while the cracked shell of their pod drifts away ...
As to your last point. You forgot New Eden. But then, you seem to be one of those that fail to understand what it is and seek something with fluffy unicorns and bunnies; so perhaps you won't.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
605
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:14:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Sri Nova wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: I disagree. I think the people that wanted null sec got it and when they got it they discovered it was boring as **** and or they had to kowtow down to some ******* of a corp leader and be at the persons beck and call all the time and that created a lot of angst. Face it...null and low sec are broke because the players broke it. To many arseholes play in null and low sec and because they can't get their rocks off in null and low sec any longer, they decide to move back into high sec to just be the griefers they are and have always been.
Oh it is very true that the players are to blame . The players in high sec who hole up and have unintentionally forced CCP to change their vision of the game . The players in low sec that made low sec into the wretch that is now. The players in null sec have tried to make utopias but the mechanics are not there. the players could try harder but it always fails, ends up in civil war, or becomes overrun so yeah, it still comes down to the players (but they could use a lil more help from CCP) . However lets not forget the players in high sec also effect the game, when a majority of them decide to hole up in high sec this creates a major shift in game play . One cannot expect no ramifications. (this very fact is pivotal as to why their is so much angst) CCP is torn on the issue as well they introduced npc corp taxes to push people out, and into player corps. With the end result anticipated that more people would end up in null . Yet they introduce incursions to add more content into high sec. A strong high sec makes for a weaker null and until this is resolved you will have issues. Many of the people in null are not hateful greifers they are the people trying to play the original vision of eve . And the more that high sec is buffed (with players and mechanics) the more this vision will be dimmed. If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave. Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Who said anything about REMOVING high sec?
The game is working as intended, what you are asking for is to remove highsec, and replace it with your stupid carebear wonderland. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:19:00 -
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Looks like another hiseccer whine thread without any sort of substance.
So I'll just fart loudly at the thought of "solid MMO PVE". ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
606
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:26:00 -
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I mean hell I never even got a level 4 mission agent untill my 2nd year playing eve online. When they finally back in 2005 let you tag along with a friend and get some of that standings boost and quest rewards.
Before i could play missions with friend and get rewards, sometime sI flew in missions with friends for free. Because it was fun.
And I never needed to buy many ships, my alliance replaced my losses. And on small gangs and ones I'm in charge of I have a solid datacore mining operation. I can afford my own equipment when we aren't in a major war with a ship replacement plan.
so in a way you don't even need to ever do a mission in this game but you can still play in high sec wars. That is part of highsec you can live there for a whole year and never run a mission. |
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Armoured C
PLAYBOYS
18
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:29:00 -
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no one is forcing any play style on anything, if your unhappy with your ship being blown apart in hulkageddon OR it being destroyed in burn jita maybe you should stop building ships that attack you ????
(sorry tldr forum could be on something completly different but hey) and hi mothermoon
IM BACK :P |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:31:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Not implying CCP remove highsec in my opinion high sec is great you can putter around, blow crap up, engage in sanctioned pvp, gank people, play the market, and spam local with trash talk. its freaking great .
what im trying to illuminate is that high sec was never intended to be awesome .
The very root of players(who are anti highsec) ideology is formed by the fact that those who remain in highsec are playing a pervision of ccp's orginal vision of eve.
thats is why players are trying to get you to change your play style .
You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:32:00 -
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I think we can all agree that we want EVE to be the best game it can be, am I right? If that is the case then as players should we be working toward the goal of working with CCP to accomplish just that. As I see it, null and low sec are broken. It has nothing to do with high sec and everything to do with the game mechanics of null and low sec.
First thing CCP could do to fix null and low sec is remove blobs. Can we agree on this? |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:33:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: If CCP removed high sec they'd be shutting their game down in months. Face it, for all the crying the null sec players want to do about high sec, high sec players contribute just as much subs if not more than the low sec. High sec is CCP's bread and butter. If anything CCP should be shoring up its PvE game and trying to get more people involved in EVE. As it is now their new player churn rate is extremely high. New people start, find out that EVE is not as good as people make it out to be and the game lacks solid PvE and they leave.
Low sec and null sec is the niche portion of EVE game play and it will always be that way...dozens of MMO's with FFA pvp rules shows us that. Look at any of the biggest ffa pvp titles...oh wait...their aren't any!
Not implying CCP remove highsec in my opinion high sec is great you can putter around, blow crap up, engage in sanctioned pvp, gank people, play the market, and spam local with trash talk. its freaking great . what im trying to illuminate is that high sec was never intended to be awesome . The very root of players(who are anti highsec) ideology is formed by the fact that those who remain in highsec are playing a pervision of ccp's orginal vision of eve. thats is why players are trying to get you to change your play style . You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
563
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:35:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:I think we can all agree that we want EVE to be the best game it can be, am I right? If that is the case then as players should we be working toward the goal of working with CCP to accomplish just that. As I see it, null and low sec are broken. It has nothing to do with high sec and everything to do with the game mechanics of null and low sec.
First thing CCP could do to fix null and low sec is remove blobs. Can we agree on this? Oh dear, we need to make less people log in if they live in lowsec or nullsec. Um, lets see... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1104
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:35:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
Didn't see this thread earlier so I will respond to op the most honest way I can think of.
Because we can |
Elbert Ainstein
The Engineer Corp.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:45:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
I once had the same opinion as you, and for the new players entering the game - a lot of them starting out as miners, as I did in 2004 - it must be pure hell getting their shiny new mining barge destroyed. As an older player, the "suicidebombers" in high-sec are now only to my benefit. Especially when they make these mass events, then I get even more filthy rich
I'm in this for the money! |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:47:00 -
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Sri Nova wrote:You dont have to agree with it , just understand that your vision and their vision is going to differ, and this creates the conflict that this thread is about .
Correction, it creates the conflict that is eve itself, and what drives every part of the game forward. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
29
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:48:00 -
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Also, if someone is paying the role of a highsec terrorist, and you whine about it, and want to be all safe and snug in ccp's warm embrace, arn't you forcing your playstyle on those who have done nothing wrong but bring some excitement to highsec? |
Nirnias Stirrum
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:49:00 -
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Confirming that OP should in fact resubscribe to WoW. |
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:49:00 -
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Their argument is that nullsec pvp doesn't work without defenceless mining ships on either side for people to shoot at. Why these ships need to be crewed by human players who don't particularly like being shot at and prefer being in highsec is unclear at present. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1104
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:52:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Confirming that OP should in fact resubscribe to WoW.
You take that back |
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
62
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:54:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts.
High sec is detrimental to null sec via logistics .
with high sec providing perfect protection for the industrial base of eve and with high sec providing the majority of materials and in game items for eve null will never have the chance to become what ccp envisioned.
but alas with the game vision shifted maybe CCP can pull it off and make null and high sec equal but i truly do not think it can be done . as i see the two mutually exclusive to one another. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:22:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec?
But you are then trying to force your style of play on pvpers, by trying to not allow them to blow you up. Its an unending circular argument give it up. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
18
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:35:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:MotherMoon wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Malcanis wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because I can. Why play EVE otherwise? Malcanis you of all people are no pirate...you're as pathetic as the others. If you were as badarse as you think you are you'd be tearing up the kill boards and raking in the loots. :) he supports the vision and the essence of the game. Even if he doesn't play every role you can play in eve, he loves that he plays a game that allows for so many professions and play styles to exist. Go play a one player game. Or a game like guild wars 2. It's great I swear, awesome PvP, great PvE area, fun boss battles, real , whatever I don't need to advertise it, my point is guildwars 2 is not a sandbox, but it's also a good game, so if you don't like playing eve online, don't play it. There are other good MMOs! I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
The last paragraph sums up the whole thread. Null bears are shooting pinatas in high sec. Why? Because their alliance leaders are too afraid to do a real fighting so they do not loose their space and army of minions to command. So everone is just sitting on tech moons and sends the bored plebs of their null empire to enjoy some breads and circuses in high sec.
But really could not give a dam about it the whole Null Sec might as well disappear tomorrow it is so boring.
You want make null more interesting again? Remove local like in WH's. Until then it is one boring blob fest with too easy logisitics and jump bridge networks that make any interesting activities impossible. |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:38:00 -
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Quote:Dors wrote:
I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up, but instead of fighting it out amongst yourselves, because that would be to hard and difficult and go against the games design, you instead take out your angst on new players and or players that don't wish to partake in your game of who has the biggest virtual e-peons.
The last paragraph sums up the whole thread. Null bears are shooting pinatas in high sec. Why? Because their alliance leaders are too afraid to do a real fighting so they do not loose their space and army of minions to command. So everone is just sitting on tech moons and sends the bored plebs of their null empire to enjoy some breads and circuses in high sec. But really could not give a dam about it the whole Null Sec might as well disappear tomorrow it is so boring.
You want make null more interesting again? Remove local like in WH's. Until then it is one boring blob fest with too easy logisitics and jump bridge networks that make any interesting activities impossible. [/quote]
it's actually how funny how obvious of a change it would be to remove local from 0.0 now a days. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
27
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:44:00 -
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When I first started playing EVE I thought much like you do. As time went on and I gained more experience with EVE I realized that that way of thinking in this game, just paints a BIG target on your back for people who love nothing more than to make you cry....
It's a seductive thing EVE is... first it lures you in with the promise of rich rewards for hard effort, then it slaps you upside the head with some Auto Cannons and makes you it's little $3.00 ****.
If you survive that without quiting... you realize that EVE is a harsh Mistress and nothing you can do will change that, so you may as well bend over and get ready to receive the big shaft.. or grab your guns and bend someone over and give them the shaft.
What position you want to be in is up to you. You can play the *****, or you can play the bastard. There is no in between.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:55:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? I do not understand this drive from some players of EVE that think their style of playing the game is the only way. Who cares if some people wish to play in high sec? If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want and the people in high sec really do not give a crap what you do - so why do you care what they do? Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it?
Most people that play EVE don't give a flying rats arse about null sec, and low sec. So why should those that choose to play in low and null sec give a flying rats arse about the people in high sec? As someone who lives in high-sec to I don't think you fully understand the EVE economy (been here since 2005 so got a bit of an understanding of it).
Stuff needs to blow up constantly for the economy to survive. It needs to blow up in null-sec. It need to blow up in low-sec and you guessed it... it needs to blow up in high-sec. Therefore there must be risk in high-sec from suicide gankers, war decs and so on. You can't just expect to play this game in a bubble... you need to read the forums about what events are going on at the moment. Burn Jita means give it a miss for a few day (i.e. don't fly your freighter full of zydrine to Jita that day). Hulkageddon - give high-sec mining a miss for a while or take the risk. Be versatile as there are many ways to make ISK in this game...
Personally I think high sec living should be a little more rugged. I would advocate a steady increase in taxes the longer you stay in an NPC noob corp.
Without ships blowing up there is no EVE. I suspect the DEVs know this and so do many players. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
402
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:56:00 -
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OP is making a mistake assuming other players wants to force their play style on to her. Or are you saying they force you to become a suicide ganker?
The reality is that you can play exactly how you want. You just have to accept the consequences of playing like that. So, if you want to play the hulk victim expect to be blown up frequently. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:23:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote: Why can't high sec be as awesome as low and null sec? It can be rewarding in a different way. There are many ways to reward players for their efforts.
Why not indeed? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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