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IGBank Alec
Caldari IG - BANK
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:00:00 -
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Due to the fact that i have pulled toilet cleaners who worked out where they went wrong into one place, could we please close this thread i see now how truly pointless it was.
IGBank will continue to run, this should be interesting, i hope to hear from very few of the posters here soon
Alec
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:02:00 -
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And, once the tantrum is done, the child retreats in a huff.
Your bank may continue to run mate but as it stands the only customers you will have will be those "to dumb to know better" as you put it.
PS: Where LaVista Vista is a shining example of what a young person can bring you are, on the other hand, proof that Aspergers is a problem, not a benefit.
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IGBank Alec
Caldari IG - BANK
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach I'm going to be commenting on a number of your points, in no particular order.
Originally by: IGBank Alec
-we need a rep, theres no point in steeling at this stage
I find the use of the phrase 'at this stage' particularly telling.
Originally by: IGBank Alec
-butiling on my last point, if we stole when our assets were under 2 billion - pretty pointless
That entirely depends on what 2 billion is worth to you. Note that you've got no prior history in MD and no one of note vouching for you.
Originally by: IGBank Alec
-we cant, check our references in our channle, the'll tell you about there dealings with us
I can find any Jita scammer able to produce 3-4 people who claim to have been given double their money, just as their testimonials are worthless, so might those from your channel be. How about you start testifying as to these dealings and have reputable individuals coming forward to confirm them?
Originally by: IGBank Alec
-try a small amount, try withdrawning it, see if you feel comfortable and get to know the staff
at the end of the day though, we confess, theres nothing that can stop us from steeling
Depositing a small amount and then withdrawing it proves nothing. See those Jita scammers who offer to double your money as evidence.
Originally by: IGBank Alec
Its hard to explain, but i came to the forums to get better known not to be judged
If you want to get better known in a positive way, commenting on threads and raising topics for discussion is a better way to go about it than displaying poor judgement and lack of research on the holy grail of the tertiary market - banking.
That's the burdern of proof side dealt with, now let's turn to the business side.
Originally by: IGBank Alec
Right EBANK - 500k / day / billion IGBank 1000504122 isk per day from a 1 billion investment,
4,122 ISK more then EBANK - not sure about decimals, i did this real quick in excel
On a billion isk you're offering 4k more a day than the first succesful bank in Eve which holds over 2 trillion isk of public money?
Do you seriously think that this is competitive, are you aware of the typical business practices of new companies going into an established market and how they compete with their older, more well-known competitors?
Note, offering interest on an hourly basis makes no difference when you're barely, barely above that of Ebank and are significantly below that of Dbank.
Why should I pull my money from Dbank which is offering significantly higher interest rates than your putative bank?
Why should I deposit the money sitting in my wallet with you rather than Ebank where I have an insignificant risk compared with the highly significant risk of losing a couple of billion to an unknown venture?
Assuming you are serious about wanting to get involved in the tertiary market, I'd highly suggest going through the forum, looking for ventures you can invest in and get better known via your commentary rather than elaborate and over ambitious ventures.
last post just to answer this belive it or not i hadnt heard of this DBANK, so not sure about that secondly, i think i am allowed to be nieve, i have a system that works, one step at at time
also i said minium interest rate, now i am sure that therefre you can make more interest off us then EBANK - correct? hence 0.0021% / hour is the minium
-NO MORE POSTS PLEASE-
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: IGBank Alec
On the other hand though there has been no requirement for a business plan, and these "other parties" do exist, ill slip a corp mail. but lets put it the other way then, What would you like me to say, give me soemthing constructive insead of politly, and anomously saying "**** off you little ****, you have no idea what you are getting into"
I'm not Hawkblade and wouldn't presume to speak for him but some thoughts off the top of my head:
Use eve-search and go find the launch of EBank and the threads regarding it, take a long look at your bank announcement post and compare the two.
Consider trying to present reasons why a customer should bank with you. Particularly when there are two other succesful banks which both offer options you don't (one, increased security and history, the other increased security, history and better interest rates).
Take a look at what the other banks have in the way of reputation, credentials and staffing and then compare with what you've presented. There are a number of very key differences you should be aware of. Moreover, if you continue to retain those differences, you should be explaining why you're not operating as the other banks do.
There are a lot of other points I could make but rather than simply shred your positions, i'm going to reiterate that you should read the forums and compare the presentations of the other banks or succesful (non scam) bonds and IPOs to your bank proposal. Actually, for that matter, compare the scams. There have been many failed scams which attempted to get public money with far more professional business proposals than your bank launch.
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: IGBank Alec -NO MORE POSTS PLEASE-
You can't come in, post just one more time and then say, " Pretty please - I'm young and got a host of issues - Just leave me alone after flaming everyone". When you mature, you'll understand.
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IGBank Alec
Caldari IG - BANK
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
And, once the tantrum is done, the child retreats in a huff.
Your bank may continue to run mate but as it stands the only customers you will have will be those "to dumb to know better" as you put it.
PS: Where LaVista Vista is a shining example of what a young person can bring you are, on the other hand, proof that Aspergers is a problem, not a benefit.
Depends on how you look at it
not many 15 year olds are as intelligent as i am, are fluiting in 8 programming languages and server other contrversal languages such as SQL.
Reagardless dont be so negative to aspergers. i love who i am becuase i am not ammused by a ball. (football)
you should really be careful about your comments, thats very offencive
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach Good Stuff
Just wanted say, "I see much Hexxx in you".
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: IGBank Alec you should really be careful about your comments, thats very offencive
If you'd care to do some research you will find that my point is not an offensive one but a qualitative one. You may be offended by the results of professional debate/opinion but your offense does not make a statement offensive. In essence, so what if you don't like it. We are not your parents, your friends, or anyone who should necessarily give a crap about an anonymous bunch of 1's and 0's who could be lying his ass off.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: IGBank Alec Due to the fact that i have pulled toilet cleaners who worked out where they went wrong into one place, could we please close this thread i see now how truly pointless it was.
IGBank will continue to run, this should be interesting, i hope to hear from very few of the posters here soon
Alec
Good riddance!
PS EBANK pays 3% monthly on hundreds of millions of ISK and is still accepting additional ISK at this rate from its older customers. You are nowhere near what they pay or what any respected individual pays. Given that you're anything but respected you should be paying easily twice what someone like Ray raises funds at; not half of what EBANK offers.
At any rate, I'm going to stop posting in this thread. It's been an irritating enough week without having to deal with this sort of brash stupidity.
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Master Gotama
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Master Gotama on 10/04/2009 22:23:30 Alec, Try not to see every criticism as an attack on your character. The people critiquing your request are respected members of this forum and their questions and comments carry a lot of weight in-game. They are picking apart your proposal because they value their isk and want to know how you respond under pressue. Your responses mean a lot in this regard, I suggest you stick to your business plan and try to be as forthcoming as possible. It's okay not to have an answer for every question, what is more important is showing that you can resolve questions and issues in a quick and professional manner. If you can convince a few people here that you are capable of handling yourself under pressure, they'll be much more willing to trust you with their isk, even if your ideas need some revising.
Edit: heh.. too late
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Lady Apocrypha
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:58:00 -
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At first I felt bad for you bro although you probably don't need anyone to feel bad for you, which is entirely understandable. You have got tenacity kid and that is a good thing. You honestly need to learn how to except constructive criticism as I felt every one was very mature and even gentle with you and your condition. However, just like you can't expect an autistic person who slobbers on himself, to get a bomb shell model wife. You can't expect someone who cannot articulate a good solid business plan to investors, to actually win over enough of those investors to have the venture you want. 2 things came to mind while reading your initial post. Why not convey your idea to someone who can read, spell and write and they could create your posts and add them to MD and second was obviously spell check. If you are not resourceful enough to use notepad how are your resourceful enough to keep up our investments? I don't mean any harm or disrespect. In fact I wish you only the best. Eve is not the only time you will be running into business related issues. It is best to use the time and this experience to understand that you need some help in communication. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink it.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.11 00:23:00 -
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Ok well a lot has been posted on this. A few points I want to bring up that haven't been done yet:
Quote: however we do have references, in our channle and our forums.
Quote: Well you can ask other customers, they'll tell you
Quote: we cant, check our references in our channle, the'll tell you about there dealings with us
After all that, this little gem stands out:
Quote: and some unofficial members who act as references, and guides.
You were speaking of staff and now you advise they are unofficially employees who are providing references?
Quote: and i do have dislexia, i have a statement that says it (and ADHD and Aspergers)
Quite the trifecta. If anything, having these conditions you should have had someone without them (specifically the Dyslexia) write the posts and handle the PR of this issue. Depending on the severity of the Aspergers I would have expected a bit more meticulous planning or a heavy focus on a specific area of the bank (this may be so with the coding portion). Obviously every case is different with these illnesses so it's impossible to judge.
Quote: especially as typing involves two hands - and i am not a slow typer, spell check would help
Even just proof-reading would help. Before you post have a read over what you wrote. The dyslexia would make it hard to pick everything up but you would be able to grab onto small portions of mistakes, using this as a guide would actually help you control the condition as well.
Quote: not many 15 year olds are as intelligent as i am, are fluiting in 8 programming languages and server other contrversal languages such as SQL.
Focus some of that effort towards English. A lot of your spelling traits are not a result of Dyslexia, rather "text-speech" and a lack of English knowledge.
Quote: we need a rep, theres no point in steeling at this stage
I hate the "at this stage" portion of this comment
Quote: We, the IGBank staff, and contributors, atm theres a co-founder, myself
What are their names? What are their roles? Why aren't they posting here?
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HawkBlade
Minmatar The Higher Standard Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2009.04.11 00:38:00 -
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Quote: not many 15 year olds are as intelligent as i am, are fluiting in 8 programming languages and server other contrversal languages such as SQL.
Originally by: Ricdic Focus some of that effort towards English. A lot of your spelling traits are not a result of Dyslexia, rather "text-speech" and a lack of English knowledge.
Well for me, I'm finding it hard to believe that someone can have ADHD + Aspergers can overcome Dyslexia enough to become a 15 yr old programming language genius in over 8 languages and other connected technologies. Finally, what's all of that got to do with economic sense, financial aptitude, and/or even a high integrity enough to safely hold a bunch of other's people isk? Nothing of course. PS: IMNSHO, the op is full of crap and is just pretending to be any, all of it, of what he is saying. Aspergers is just the common lame excuse for acting a jerk.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.04.11 00:41:00 -
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Well, at least MD still does its job. I'm honestly impressed at the volume of new, terribly designed business plans that come through here where the owners give up due to not being able to defend themselves with logic and reason. The day things like this aren't destroyed (and possibly nurtured to rebirth) by this forum is the day this forum is useless.
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Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.04.11 00:41:00 -
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I'm going to steer clear of the issues already raised, I would like to know how you are actually planning to raise the interest? Relying solely on income from loans is a risky proposition since a series of defaults could set you back. Do you have a portfolio of investments or active trade division to generate ISK?
Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
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Haruka Watanabe
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Posted - 2009.04.11 01:14:00 -
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Hay guys! Didn't you read? Quit posting!!! omg!!
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.11 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade Well for me, I'm finding it hard to believe that someone can have ADHD + Aspergers can overcome Dyslexia enough to become a 15 yr old programming language genius in over 8 languages and other connected technologies.
I was considering this myself as well however I have seen some pretty amazing things from kids & teens with different levels of Autism. Generally these people have found a comfort level with a certain area or aspect and may put 10x the effort engrossing themselves into the area than a regular child/teen would have the patience or concentration to do.
I guess for that reason I wouldn't discount the possibility that the OP has done this in the coding area as his "comfort space" however the bank thing is a little stranger as usually throwing oneself into a new agressive social scene would be one of the last things one would do with this kind of condition. This could also explain why the OP was quick to give up on the public here after a bit of agression.
Anyway this could all be totally wrong and the OP could be stringing us along trying to use disabilities to further his likelihood of success, but I don't want to go down that path. In the end this is a computer game and one really should try to limit mixing RL with it in a public forum. |
Kitex
Blacktag Test Labs
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Posted - 2009.04.11 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Anyway this could all be totally wrong and the OP could be stringing us along trying to use disabilities to further his likelihood of success, but I don't want to go down that path. In the end this is a computer game and one really should try to limit mixing RL with it in a public forum.
If disabilities have truly become a means to further anyone's likelihood of success, this world is truly upside down, and I hereby offer my complete and unconditional surrender.
Though this is off-topic from the original purpose of the thread, and politically incorrect, I feel compelled to say it: the multitude of disorders described by the OP (to excess), are all marks against him.
If anyone was on the fence here, and felt the scales tip in his favor when he explained his ADHD, Aspergers, and Dyslexia... you deserve him. If anyone would claim that they wouldn't feel more comfortable and secure putting money into this thing if his posts read more like an EBank thread, I'd question their honesty.
I'm not insensitive to the conditions described by the OP. But this is business (albeit video game business) and literacy is a big deal in this forum - much like in the real world. The fact that you are not "amused by a ball" and are using that as a selling point, is no substitute for proper spelling and a well constructed business plan.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.04.11 04:32:00 -
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Sorry, you have not discouraged me from my firm believe in the investment power of waffles |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.04.11 06:33:00 -
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Alec, every once in a while someone comes along and presents themselves as the prime example of how not to react to this community. You fall neatly into that category.
If you had the maturity and staying power to run something as demanding as a bank you would not have run off in a tantrum after twelve hours.
Disabilities need to be put aside, why should I treat you any different because you have a disability? Or do you want me to? It seems to me society is striving for the exact opposite.
If you're serious about wanting to do this then do more reasearch, know your market. Saying you don't know who one of the primary players in your sector is means you're not ready to launch an offering.
And form a partnership with someone that can act as the public face of your enterprise, I shouldn't need a decoder to work out what you're trying to say. Sorry, that's just business.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.11 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 11/04/2009 07:31:41
Originally by: IGBank Alec and ADHD and Aspergers
If you have, then you would now NEVER to throw that card on an online discussion forum.
Quote: not many 15 year olds are as intelligent as i am, are fluiting in 8 programming languages and server other contrversal languages such as SQL.
Anybody can pick up 8 programming languages. The barrier to entry for python, ruby, C#, Visual Basic, Java and basic C is really low. That's not even mentioning things like HTML and CSS, which are arguably languages(However they are markup languages).
And you state that SQL is a controversial(Well, that's what I can make out of it) language. How so? Even my mom could learn SQL given a weekend of practice. It's just an english syntax which requires LITTLE understanding of the guts of the database.
Quote: Reagardless dont be so negative to aspergers. i love who i am becuase i am not ammused by a ball. (football)
Since when was "Not liking football" a part of the asperger syndrome? I know aspergers who loves football.
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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.11 08:31:00 -
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Based on your posts in this thread I would never consider to deposit so much as one lousy unit of trit into your IG-bank.
Your whole project reeks of amateurism. And your reaction to the legitimate questions that were raised does not cancel the initial impression - quite the contrary.
Tip: before presenting ideas to the public, make sure they are well prepared and thouroghly worked out.
And I would add: before running off starting banks, it it perhaps wise to prove your skills and develop a reputation by successful execution of less complex financial projects.
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.11 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: IGBank Alec and i do have dislexia, i have a statement that says it (and ADHD and Aspergers) so yeah, you can take your made up crap and stuff it TBH - its pointless. now the and teh - yeah thats typing, but a disleic trate none the less, especially as typing involves two hands - and i am not a slow typer, spell check would help, but if you are to dumb to work out what teh is - then you shoulnt be worring about banking in eve should you? Cmon guys. logical, sensible even questions please, not a constant stream of put downs
I just wanted to quote where your bright career ended.
win
Originally by: HawkBlade
Originally by: IGBank Alec give me soemthing constructive insead of politly, and anomously saying "**** off you little ****, you have no idea what you are getting into"
You have yet to provide me (or any of us) with a reason to do so, you little **** (as you so lovingly put it). That's the big picture you are missing here mate. You need us, we don't need you.
double win
I giggled _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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Per Bastet
Amarr B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2009.04.11 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: IGBank Alec I hadnt heard of dbank before today - - i am also 15 (16 on the 13/4/2009 - 3 days)
Age not with standing, the fact that you failed to do your homework before making some pretty bold claims concerns me. Sorry, but for now I think I'll be keeping my Isk in DBank. --
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Beliandra
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Posted - 2009.04.11 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: IGBank Alec and i do have dislexia, i have a statement that says it (and ADHD and Aspergers)
Since there have already been comments about the dyslexia and the Asperger's, I'll just chime in and say that "attention deficit disorder" and "managing my investments" are two phrases which I doubt will ever be used to describe one person.
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Ji Sama
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Posted - 2009.04.11 11:48:00 -
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so your young and full of syndromes..
check..
why was it we where supposed to invest, let alone trust you?
consfdering your opening a bank, i would think that doing a little more research would have been in order..
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
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Posted - 2009.04.11 11:56:00 -
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Ugh I decide to take an extra few hours of sleep yesterday and I missed this.
I am kind of hurt that he didn't know DBANK.
On the path of the current conversation I do actually have a friend that is ADHD Dyslexic and Bi-Polar who happens to be a technical genius, so I have no doubt this guy knows how to do anything. He just doesn't know what not to do like not take the time to do adequate posts, not do adequate research, use any disability as an excuse, and advertise his disability and his age(This one was a big fail on his part).
o well another bank attempt gone. Come on Hexxx and Ricdic you know you like my idea more and more now!!!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Manalapan ADHD Dyslexic and Bi-Polar
Lets just be clear that ADHD, Dyslexic and bi-polar are all extremely different from anything on the autistic spectrum.
All geniuses are a bit crazy. But not all crazy people are geniuses.
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:08:00 -
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Definately, did not mean to express that (My fail at wording). Just was more aiming to defunct any of the OP excuses of dyslexia leading to unprofessional presentation.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ms Delerium on 11/04/2009 12:11:49 I tried myself to make a small bank, total failure. This thread reminds me of the big harassement... damn this thread is even more harsh...
I will point out some thoughts. Dont take it as an offence.
- "InGame Bank" --- LOL this is no way an ingame bank. I think many of us would like to get an automatic, trusty, ingame bank (lets say NPC bank) but yours is just another untrusty player entity.
- "Hourly interest" --- LOL are you online 23/7?? How can you guarantee I can get back my isk when I request it? What if you are sleeping?
- "Interest rates" --- WTF? its very poor -> 1.52% per month.
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