Old Inventory system = Swiss Knife = Total Commander
New Inventory system = bags of crap = Windows Explorer

Who want to using W. Explorer if had Total Commander ?

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This is something we very much wanted to do, but due to server load constraints, we just couldn't do it, as it would have required us to peek inside every single inventory location (which requires expensive server calls) every time you would open up the inventory. If we ever decide to convert EVE into a single player experience, then we'll be doing it in a snap!

Ok, I've fiddled with it a bit more and overall I'm getting a bit more used to it. But there are still key issues that bugs the hell out of me.

I would like to see some settings for this so it can be better customized.

1) Option to have the old ship cargohold window available (or a new one, but that is specificaly for the active ship cargohold and that is separate from the main inventory window), and option to have this window default open or not. And it's size and position must be retained from each log-in.

2) Option to have the main inventory window open when docking (or logging in and being docked), and close when undocking (but if it was open when you docked, it will remain open when you undock again).

3) When opening a can it should retain it's previous location and size. If two or more windows were stacked the last time they were opened, they should also stack when opened again the next time.

4) Corp hangar divisions must be labeled (but I guess you're already on that one)

5) With POS modules, there should be some sort of way to see if an array is within or out of range to open from current location (haven't tested this since I didn't take the time to set up a new tower, but from reading the blog)

6) Add functionality to use the back and forward buttons (thumb buttons) on your mouse to move back and forth in the history of inventory locations you have viewed.

Old Inventory system = Swiss Knife = Total Commander
New Inventory system = bags of crap = Windows Explorer

Who want to using W. Explorer if had Total Commander ?

Submenus under submenus lol and hangar have another submenus lol

WeeellGG* a bit harsh, but there is a kernel of truth to it.

The the old system was like System 7 Finder, new system is like Windows Explorer, but only up until the point where you want to play around with multiple windows. At that point, it breaks down.

The problem is basically this: the new inventory does away with the need to collect similar inventory windows in tabbed stacks, but it does not do away with the need to have multiple inventories open at once. That is a completely different problem and it requires solutions that aren't quite in place right now (things like TC's split view to show two locations at once). In addition, in the attempt to dabble in both, I feel (now that I've played with it a fair amount on sisi) that it has actually lost some functionality as I feared.

Most notably, I have completely lost control over where new inventories open. Use case: I have a bunch of stuff in my indy's cargo hold and want to transfer it to various parts of a POS hangar. So I approach the hangar and out of habit click GG#open cargoGG% on itGG* *bam* All my inventory windows now show the hangar(!) This not an optimal solution, because what I wanted was to have the cargo hold in one window, the hangar in another, and then drag stuff from one to the other while having both in view. Or even simpler scenario: I want to pick up some loot from a wreckGG* approach the wreck and click open cargo, and now my cargo view shifts to show the wreck, but I wanted that window to show my cargo hold GGv that's why i selected it.

Right now on TQ, I consistently use three different stacks for my inventory windows in all environments and an additional window for the hangar bay when in station: one is any kind of corp hangar (in station, at a POS, my Orca's corp hangar, construction platforms etc); the second is my ship cargo holds (all ship holds share the same stack); a third for GG#auxiliaryGG% storage (drone bays, ore bays, ship bays, deliveries, cargo cans). This gives me a neat row of role-specific windows where each inventory opens in a pre-determined slot, and it gives me way to quickly and at a glance see what's available when I want to move stuff from one place to the next, or just check on my cargo status.

This kind of setup is no longer possible because every item location is available in every window. In and of itself, that's not a problem because it means I can rearrange things without having to shuffle a bunch of tabs around. The problem is that the new inventory is seemingly completely unaware of the ability to have two windows open and has no sense of context of what should open where GGv everything opens everywhere, which is most likely the exact opposite of what I want to happen. I would suggest that you either remove the GG#open cargoGG% button from the selected item window (worst solution), or you change the behaviour so that clicking that button opens a new window with the selected item as the default view (emulating what happens now), or (best, but most complicated solution), that I can select which inventory locations are available in each window GGv iow, if I could turn off things like ship cargo and drone bay in one window (and conversely turn off cans in a second window) so that whenever I come across a can and open it, it will only appear in that first window, leaving the second one showing whatever it was showing before.

If I want to use the folder structure, I still can by simply scooting up to the can/wreck/POS and expand the tree list once the can becomes available.



(waay)tl;dr: The unified inventory does a wonderful job of getting rid of tabbed stacks of inventory windows, but it does not properly handle multiple windows, and there are a bajillion use cases when you want more than one window open at once (be it for selectively moving stuff from one to another or because you want to be able to constantly see the contents of both). The behaviour when multiple windows are open creates new and annoying issues that actually makes the current solution better.

edit: Also, what Pierced Brosmen said above.

Most notably, I have completely lost control over where new inventories open. Use case: I have a bunch of stuff in my indy's cargo hold and want to transfer it to various parts of a POS hangar. So I approach the hangar and out of habit click GG#open cargoGG% on itGG* *bam* All my inventory windows now show the hangar(!) This not an optimal solution, because what I wanted was to have the cargo hold in one window, the hangar in another, and then drag stuff from one to the other while having both in view. Or even simpler scenario: I want to pick up some loot from a wreckGG* approach the wreck and click open cargo, and now my cargo view shifts to show the wreck, but I wanted that window to show my cargo hold GGv that's why i selected it.

Right now on TQ, I consistently use three different stacks for my inventory windows in all environments and an additional window for the hangar bay when in station: one is any kind of corp hangar (in station, at a POS, my Orca's corp hangar, construction platforms etc); the second is my ship cargo holds (all ship holds share the same stack); a third for GG#auxiliaryGG% storage (drone bays, ore bays, ship bays, deliveries, cargo cans). This gives me a neat row of role-specific windows where each inventory opens in a pre-determined slot, and it gives me way to quickly and at a glance see what's available when I want to move stuff from one place to the next, or just check on my cargo status.

This kind of setup is no longer possible because every item location is available in every window. In and of itself, that's not a problem because it means I can rearrange things without having to shuffle a bunch of tabs around. The problem is that the new inventory is seemingly completely unaware of the ability to have two windows open and has no sense of context of what should open where GGv everything opens everywhere, which is most likely the exact opposite of what I want to happen. I would suggest that you either remove the GG#open cargoGG% button from the selected item window (worst solution), or you change the behaviour so that clicking that button opens a new window with the selected item as the default view (emulating what happens now), or (best, but most complicated solution), that I can select which inventory locations are available in each window GGv iow, if I could turn off things like ship cargo and drone bay in one window (and conversely turn off cans in a second window) so that whenever I come across a can and open it, it will only appear in that first window, leaving the second one showing whatever it was showing before.

This is something we have on our backlog; either updating the look and feel of the assets window to match the new inventory, or simply merge it in.

I really must ask that you guys will add the option to use the old system, i really hate this new look on the test server, and its really inconvenient to use, i would rather have three windows open than one unified one, and even then with this new system I STILL HAVE TO OPEN THREE WINDOWS with much more pain and every time i undock i have to close them and every time i dock i have to reopen them and reposition/size them, so seriously guys you just wasted a bunch of time on this, instead you could have just added the asset value counter to the old system and voila ....

It's just massive inconvenience, stop this madness...

Old Inventory system = Swiss Knife = Total Commander
New Inventory system = bags of crap = Windows Explorer

Who want to using W. Explorer if had Total Commander ?

Submenus under submenus lol and hangar have another submenus lol

Lolwhat?

Old invetory system = a lot of opened windows = Windows Explorer
New inventory system = everything in one place right before your eyes, many bookmarks to applications/folders on the panel = Total Commander.

.....The new system tries to be a single-pane system, much like the Windows ExplorerGG* but the problem is that single panes are pretty useless, which is why tools like NC/TC were invented. It doesn't have everything in one place GGv it has one thing at a time in one place, and the main advantage is that you can quickly select which GG#one thingGG% out of everything you want to see. There's a subtle but very important different in how those two solutions give you access to GG#everything at onceGG%. Yes, just like Explorer, the new inventory lets you open multiple windows and thus emulate the old system (with a nice set of new features for each window), but in terms of having everything at your immediate disposal, it's no different from the old one because you still have to open all those windows. Only now, you have to shift-click a whole lot rather than have the different views you want open in new windows by default.

Please listen to him.