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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.02 23:58:00 -
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TWC or Time Warner Cable is about to rollout new plans that will potentially increase the cost of heavy internet users (like me). Here is one of the documents:
I live in San Antonio, Texas where there are very little competition for fast speed internet - and we are the 7th or 6th largest city in the United States. I was speaking to a Time Warner Cable billing representative who indicated starting in August maybe September I will be charged for Internet useage and bandwidth and downloads. There will be plans that I can get. But going onto websites, forums, playing online games like EVE, getting updates for games like EVE, getting Windows updates, speaking on Ventrilo, speaking in EVE and the such will be costing me "additional" money and the worse part is we are the testing grounds for the rest of the country. Soon you too will be able to charged for downloading an EVE Update or being charged per hour to play EVE and then pay CCP to play EVE per month. So my EVE may be costing my monthly fee (minus ingame plex) plus internet useage (time being played) to my ISP.
Time Warner Cable Putting More Bandwidth Hogs On A Diet (TWC) Dan Frommer|Apr. 1, 2009, 9:45 AM|13
TWC Apr 2 2009, 09:45 AM EDT 25.55 Change % Change +0.98 +3.99% Time Warner Cable, the second-largest U.S. cable company, is rolling out its Internet bandwidth caps and overage charges into more markets. This means that your cable Internet subscription will work more like your cellphone plan: Once your downloads and uploads hit the limit, you will have to pay extra -- potentially $100 or more extra, depending on how much Web video you consume.
The changes come as cable companies look for more sources for growth -- most people who are going to sign up for cable have already done so -- and new ways to profit off Web video, which could disrupt the cable companies' main TV businesses.
Plans will range from $30 to $55 per month, depending on the cap -- 5 GB, 10 GB, 20 GB, and 40 GB caps are available, with a $1 per GB overage charge, according to BusinessWeek. Those caps are very low compared to rival Comcast's (CMCSA) 250 GB cap. No word if Time Warner Cable's forthcoming Web video service will count toward its caps. Update: TWC tells us it'll test a 100 GB plan, too.
What does this mean for you? If you watch about 7 hours a week of standard-def video, or 2.5 hours a week of hi-def Web video, you could easily pass even the 40 GB cap. After that, each iTunes movie rental -- or Netflix (NFLX) stream, or whatever -- could cost $1 to $4 more. Or Hulu episodes could cost $0.30 to $0.50. That doesn't even include your other Web usage, such as downloading music, using the Web, etc.
This summer, Time Warner will roll out consumption-based billing in San Antonio and Austin, Texas, and Rochester, N.Y., BusinessWeek reports. (It's been testing the plans in Beaumont, Tex. since last year.) It'll happen sooner in Greensboro, N.C.
We'll see if Time Warner Cable is able to expand this into more, bigger markets. If it works -- and Web video fanatics don't mind spending $200 per month on Internet service -- that's good news for Internet providers.
But if subscribers bolt in big numbers for competitors like Verizon (VZ), which doesn't currently cap bandwidth, it could be a disaster. (More likely: It will have to bump caps up to a more reasonable 150 GB or more when customers revolt at $100-plus cable modem bills.)
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.02 23:59:00 -
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Already a thread in the correct forum. -
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Hermit Naii
Gallente Mako Impact Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:01:00 -
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If it happens here in North Carolina, I'll definitely try to find another company that doesn't cap their bandwidth. ָָָָָָָָ
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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:06:00 -
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imagine this...
The free updates we get for this game ... will not be FREE for me. If I have to download a 15GB patch it may be costing me additional $1 - $5 per GB to download
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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:07:00 -
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So what is the correct area if this is not a general discussion?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Boydsan DeZinj But going onto websites, forums, playing online games like EVE, getting updates for games like EVE, getting Windows updates, speaking on Ventrilo, speaking in EVE and the such ...
...use a very small amount of bandwidth compared to file sharing or viewing streaming videos. The 5 Gb plan will cover a month's use of those kinds of services, with maybe an occasional $1 or $2 overage charge.
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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Boydsan DeZinj on 03/04/2009 00:12:31 Here is the thing. Right now, I can not get any type of estimates on how much useage in bandwidth and downloads I am doing on a daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly basis. Then, the rep informed me, TWC Will provide a website for us to go to - but, of course, it will use up bandwidth to go there. So I will be charged to see what my current charges are. At least, according to the billing rep from TWC.
What game was it that had a 15GB patch... Age of Crap or Warhammer... or was it EVE... or all three?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:14:00 -
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Quote: What does this mean for you? If you watch about 7 hours a week of standard-def video, or 2.5 hours a week of hi-def Web video, you could easily pass even the 40 GB cap. After that, each iTunes movie rental -- or Netflix (NFLX) stream, or whatever -- could cost $1 to $4 more. Or Hulu episodes could cost $0.30 to $0.50. That doesn't even include your other Web usage, such as downloading music, using the Web, etc.
So effectively what this means is stop wasting ****ing bandwidth.
The caps are a bit low (though it implies an extra $25 on the base will get you up to 40GB, which is hardly the internet-apocalypse), but if it stops people using these idiotic services it's actually a good idea. -
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Zylithi
Caldari Interstellar Association of Alcohol Consumption Terrebellum
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:18:00 -
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Welcome to "Internet 2.0" my friends. Have a seat and enjoy the ride, because there is absolutely nothing you can do.
looking forward to paying an extra $2 a month to access facebook, $1 for google, and $5 for eve, on top of my $95 internet bill.
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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:20:00 -
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No more trolls on the forums? ... well maybe fewer trolls? I remember back in the days where I used to go to a forum and quickly copy and paste the forums onto a word document and then log off the internet - because, at one point you can only be on the internet 3 hours a month and every hour after that was $5.99 or (man I forgot how much the overage was). The internet was not always free - and who knows maybe it will return to those days again?
I go to the EVE forums, copy and paste the forums to a word document... log off of the internet (I almost forgot I could even do that) and read the responses on the forums and then right a response - log back in and quickly paste the response to the forum and log off and decide what website or game I wanted to play next.
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Mr Tender
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:40:00 -
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Switch to different internet provider. I don't believe TWC is only one way to internets.
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Bodrul
Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:47:00 -
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lol, US broadband must suck atleast we have competition, 8mb and Unlimited usage. :P
how come you guys are behind europe when it comes to broadband?
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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:16:00 -
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I live in San Antonio, Texas where there are very little competition for fast speed internet - and we are the 7th or 6th largest city in the United States. I believe right now we only have AT&T for DSL and TWC for cable.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Boydsan DeZinj Edited by: Boydsan DeZinj on 03/04/2009 00:12:31 Here is the thing. Right now, I can not get any type of estimates on how much useage in bandwidth and downloads I am doing on a daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly basis. Then, the rep informed me, TWC Will provide a website for us to go to - but, of course, it will use up bandwidth to go there. So I will be charged to see what my current charges are. At least, according to the billing rep from TWC.
What game was it that had a 15GB patch... Age of Crap or Warhammer... or was it EVE... or all three?
bwmeter is free a very small dload and guess what? it tells you how much bandwidth you use.
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Fangedterror
Caldari Gank Bears Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:38:00 -
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I feel you Boydsan. I live in Chapel Hill, NC and around this area TWC has a total monopoly for Cable based internet. The NC government allows them to be a monopoly in exchange for giving people who live wayout side of town proper internet and TV access.
I can understand them putting a 250 gb limit on their service to keep people from running server farms but the rates they are doing are bullcrap and just plain greedy.
They tested this structure in a town in Texas. 14% of their costumers in that town went over their package and paied an average of $19 for overages.
I plan on changing my plan to Bell South DSL once this takes place.
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Fangedterror
Caldari Gank Bears Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul lol, US broadband must suck atleast we have competition, 8mb and Unlimited usage. :P
how come you guys are behind europe when it comes to broadband?
lol its because there is no competition. every one is so spread out (compared to Europe) that each company can claim its own area.
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Fangedterror
Caldari Gank Bears Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:41:00 -
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try this website out boydsan
http://www.stoptwc.info/
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:46:00 -
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You need to have two different forms of connection. I have Cable and DSL in my house, its nice to have a backup plan when one fails.
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Glyn Davish
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Quote: What does this mean for you? If you watch about 7 hours a week of standard-def video, or 2.5 hours a week of hi-def Web video, you could easily pass even the 40 GB cap. After that, each iTunes movie rental -- or Netflix (NFLX) stream, or whatever -- could cost $1 to $4 more. Or Hulu episodes could cost $0.30 to $0.50. That doesn't even include your other Web usage, such as downloading music, using the Web, etc.
So effectively what this means is stop wasting ****ing bandwidth.
The caps are a bit low (though it implies an extra $25 on the base will get you up to 40GB, which is hardly the internet-apocalypse), but if it stops people using these idiotic services it's actually a good idea.
How are things like Hulu and Netflix idiotic? They're convenient and generally cheaper than the alternatives. Why pay a massive cable TV bill, when you can just watch what you want on the internet?
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.03 01:59:00 -
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blah... my computer with no downloads eats about 4gbs a day checking for updates. so about in a month thats 120 gbs of idiling.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.03 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Glyn Davish How are things like Hulu and Netflix idiotic? They're convenient and generally cheaper than the alternatives. Why pay a massive cable TV bill, when you can just watch what you want on the internet?
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Qwyp
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Posted - 2009.04.03 02:00:00 -
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I have 3.5 megabit down / 512k up dsl, and so far it's unlimited and no ports blocked...
of course knock on wood, hopefully they stay that way.
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Chssmius
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Boydsan DeZinj Edited by: Boydsan DeZinj on 03/04/2009 00:12:31 Here is the thing. Right now, I can not get any type of estimates on how much useage in bandwidth and downloads I am doing on a daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly basis. Then, the rep informed me, TWC Will provide a website for us to go to - but, of course, it will use up bandwidth to go there. So I will be charged to see what my current charges are. At least, according to the billing rep from TWC.
What game was it that had a 15GB patch... Age of Crap or Warhammer... or was it EVE... or all three?
Recommend NetMeter. It isn't perfect but it will give you an idea of what kind of bandwidth usage rates you should expect. I have been tracking both my computers for the last 10 months so I have a very good idea of how much bandwidth you are using.
I average about 15 GB a month(that is both up and down) between the two and I am a fairly heavy users though I mostly stay away from the torrents. I once went up as high as 25 GB in a given month.
Originally by: Bodrul lol, US broadband must suck atleast we have competition, 8mb and Unlimited usage. :P
how come you guys are behind europe when it comes to broadband?
Actually, US broadband sucks because almost every other government in the world has subsidized the rapid development of national broadband infrastructure as a matter of national security.
US broadband infrastructure is owned by privately held companies and must be leased from competitors if they do not own the backbone. This is probably the case due to a backlash from the breakup of the AT&T monopoly in the 80's and 90's and a fear of creating another "Ma Bell."
The excuse in the last decade has been, among other things, war. Additionally, until recently(the last year or two) very few customers have been inconvenienced because of the "sub-par" broadband infrastructure. In large part this is due to the fairly slow adoption of broadband. However, this is somewhat caused by by cost and availability as roll outs are somewhat slow and prices slow to settle.
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Isis Bane
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Posted - 2009.04.03 02:57:00 -
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I have 20mb down and its unlimited. Hope it stays that way, I switched from TWC to Insight, best thing I ever did. o/ |
Eilella Tralente
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.03 03:31:00 -
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Looks like AT&T will be getting my business when it comes time to renew.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.03 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox blah... my computer with no downloads eats about 4gbs a day checking for updates. so about in a month thats 120 gbs of idiling.
lol fail
thread is fail. don't like your isp? write a letter to the newspaper, cancel your services. No one said you have a right to unlimited internet access via time warner.
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Mulura
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:02:00 -
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Quote: Actually, US broadband sucks because almost every other government in the world has subsidized the rapid development of national broadband infrastructure as a matter of national security. US broadband infrastructure is owned by privately held companies and must be leased from competitors if they do not own the backbone. This is probably the case due to a backlash from the breakup of the AT&T monopoly in the 80's and 90's and a fear of creating another "Ma Bell." The excuse in the last decade has been, among other things, war. Additionally, until recently(the last year or two) very few customers have been inconvenienced because of the "sub-par" broadband infrastructure. In large part this is due to the fairly slow adoption of broadband. However, this is somewhat caused by by cost and availability as roll outs are somewhat slow and prices slow to settle.
Wait... thats the UK. BT owns pretty much of the back bone (from what i know) and leases the usage out to other companies. The government here has only tried to get a computer and broadband into most homes (to which it has failed). Further more, the only reason BT is upgrading it's network is because of Virgin offering much better speeds. The government has only hinted at holding investigations into whether or not Britain really needs a national upgrade (one department has said we do need, thats it). The only real difference is that America Is larger. Either that or theres some "different" about American companies / people than to the europeans..
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:10:00 -
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glad im not tech support for TWC, explaining why someone's bill is so high because they downloaded over their 5gb limit is going to be fun for the call centers.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:23:00 -
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You have GOT to contact them asap and explain to them that that is NOT acceptable. If they have been able to keep their customerbase with their current plans, then they have NO need to switch.
Tell them that the FIRST month you see them charging more for the service then you currently pay, that you will cancel your subscriptions. And you have to be willing to do this.
You have to let them know that them nickle and dimeing you is NOT something you want them to understand.
You have to show them your willingness to cancel, and move to another company, even if it's an inferior company service wise if it gives you the plans you want.
When you call in, directly ask for a supervisor. Ask for their name, their position in the company and their employee number.
If you let them switch you with no complaints, with no cancellations, it will get worse and worse.
Simply useing a streaming internet radio program for 8hrs a day will put you over the 40 Gig a month cap.
The ONLY reason for them to do this is becuase they are makeing more money this new way. That's IT.
People are useing more and more bandwidth on a daily basis each year, as folks get more and more devices hooked up to the net, and as more and more people use those devices.
Tell them how you feel about this. Be as Vocal as you possibly can.
Because otherwise, in 5 years, you'll be paying PER KILOBYTE, and it'll be higher then you'll possibly imagine.
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Hippy07
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:35:00 -
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Other ISP's have tested this same approach.
They all fail and end up loosing more customers than the extra income makes them.
This one will fail too.
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