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Curiana
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:05:00 -
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Hiho!
Been playing this game a couple of days now and I've got into the "groove" so to speak with mining and a bit with hauling aswell. One thing I do not yet understand is what ship to get next.
Currently im flying a bestower for hauling and mining with my tormentor outfitted with 2xT1 miners. A few people I have talked to have said I should go straight for the Retriever which is no problem, skill wise, but money and time wise it is.
Mining in the tormentor is painfull to say the least and even tho I have patience to fill my bestower with goodies there has to be another ship that is better at mining than the tormentor, except the retriever and such.
Ultimately I would like to get my butt out of the bestower and into one single ship and do what i used to do before, go back and forth.
After that long text, what would you all recommend me on getting? Ive heard cruisers with T2 miners and drones works quite well, would like some advice before pursuing something tho.
Thanks beforhand,
Curi
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Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:09:00 -
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Going for Amarr training myself soon, however if you can find the time the Exequror for Gall is a good ship, cruiser based you can with good skills, strap on 4 T2 Miners in high slots, show a survery scanner and AB in the mids, and fill the lows with T2 Cargo Expanders.
They're good for about 1,750M3 with Cruiser Level 4 :)
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:17:00 -
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Basically if you want to mine like that its pointless training anything other than barges / cap industrials or whatever the orca needs.
you can use an amarr BS to mine in I guess but if you are doing it solo the cargo holds going to fill every cycle
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:22:00 -
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Best amarr cruiser size miner is going to either be the Omen, with 5 turrets, 3 drones, and a huge cargohold (450 m3!), or the Arbitrator, which has 2 turrets and 5 drones with a mining drone amount bonus.
If you're seriously into Mining though look up Halada's Mining Guide, it should still be kicking around somewhere. |
Tolsimir Wolfblood
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:28:00 -
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If you are short on cash in game and you have $30 or so American ( I'm assuming you are American ) you can get a EVE time code and sell it in jita for a little over 600mill. |
Sonreir
Gallente
Band of Builders Inc.
Libera Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:40:00 -
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Try switching to an Arbitrator when you can.
IIRC, it gets a bonus to drone mining amount and you can pack some spare lights to deal with frigs.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:49:00 -
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As I have answered this question yesterday already, I'll just link to the thread that was created 7 hours before this one in this very same forum (yay!).
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Ideas for: Mining
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Curiana
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Posted - 2009.03.31 11:53:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies, it has given me quite a few idTas but from what I understand its either the omen or the arbitrator fitted with T2 miners and drones unless I've missed something out.
Going offtopic, sorry, but regards to mining, i've always understood that it is the "best" way to make isk. By best I mean that it gives a continuous flow of isk but are there any other viable options besides mining? Agent missions is the other I can think off.
Thanks once again!
Curi
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.03.31 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Curiana
Thanks for all the replies, it has given me quite a few idTas but from what I understand its either the omen or the arbitrator fitted with T2 miners and drones unless I've missed something out.
If you're serious about mining, the mining barges are definitely the way to go. Arbi and Omen are the best choice of cruisers (arbitrator if you have good drone skills, otherwise Omen is likely to give a better yield) but as you might expect they pale in comparison to dedicated mining ships.
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Going offtopic, sorry, but regards to mining, i've always understood that it is the "best" way to make isk. By best I mean that it gives a continuous flow of isk but are there any other viable options besides mining? Agent missions is the other I can think off.
Mining is a pretty mediocre source of income to be honest. I'm pretty confident in saying that it's less of an earner than mission running with an equivalent skill investment, AND you don't get the benefits of standing increases AND mining skills are useful only for mining whereas mission running skills help with combat in general.
Plus everyone's different, but it's pretty boring. Both in terms of the actual activity (activate lasers, wait, haul cargo to station) and in that there's little variation (with lower skills you can try and do missions more effectively with better fits/tactics/damage types etc, whereas with mining it's just fire laser at rock).
Other relatively accessible options for ISK income include hauling (NPC trade routes generally, but price disparities in player-purchased goods can also be exploited and courier contracts are occasionally worthwhile), trading (relies on real skill/intelligence much much more than skillpoints - which can be good or bad depending on your attitude and your balance of the two  ), research agents (not a great earner but a completely passive way to made some moderate 'pocket money') or manufacturing/invention (very very hard to make a profit in the T1 market in general, though as with everything opportunities exist).
Mission running is probably the best "bang for your buck" in that it's quite easy to get into, pays very well (a lot more than it ought to IMHO), has transferable skills, and doesn't demand too much attention either. Research agents and trading both have great synergy with it too, and you can easily do all three on one character (adjust orders for 5-10 minutes at the start and end of running missions, and once you have high enough standings go pester some research agents).
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Curiana
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Posted - 2009.03.31 12:26:00 -
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Yeah, mining isn't fun but from what i've figured it gave me the best income when I started, since ships and equipment are both very expensive.
You spoke of running missions, are you talking about missions from agents or from other players? Im relatively new to the game, if you hadn't already noticed (:
Ive been checking out some combat ships so I can switch incase mining gets to boring, I was just looking at the amarr destroyer, it looks good on the specs but most of the things in eve look good in my eyes, to bad it doesn't have a drone bay.
Thanks,
Curi
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.03.31 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Curiana
Yeah, mining isn't fun but from what i've figured it gave me the best income when I started, since ships and equipment are both very expensive.
It probably is the best income for the very new, as it has an exceptionally low barrier to entry. However, the profit doesn't scale up quite as well as missions do, plus there's the training aspect (i.e. to get a good income from mining you need to put a lot of skillpoints into being a dedicated miner, whereas anyone who's training for PvP will use essentially the same skills to run missions).
It does have the benefit that you only need to interact with the client once every three minutes so can watch films in the meantime, but then again the same can be said of missions if you're using FOF missiles or drones.
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You spoke of running missions, are you talking about missions from agents or from other players? Im relatively new to the game, if you hadn't already noticed (:
Yes, I'm talking about the agent missions, specifically the combat ones (agents will also give you courier or mining missions depending on luck and their division). For level 4 combat missions (in high-sec) with decent skills, 20-30 million ISK/hour is a realistic income. I've heard figures about half that for high-sec mining in Hulks, by comparison.
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Ive been checking out some combat ships so I can switch incase mining gets to boring, I was just looking at the amarr destroyer, it looks good on the specs but most of the things in eve look good in my eyes, to bad it doesn't have a drone bay.
All of the destroyers are exceptionally good at taking out frigates - and as it turns out, they're all gunboats (even the Gallente version only get a single light drone). It would suffer if you took it up against larger ships such as cruisers, since it lacks the agility and small size of frigates that lets them avoid a lot of heavy fire, but while you're dealing with smaller opponents (such as are found in level 1 missions) it will barbeque them.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2009.03.31 21:31:00 -
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Go to Sahkti (sp?) in Domain, and go "'ratting", which is flying to any asteroid belt and, killing the 2 or 3 pirates, and loot the ship. Go to next belt, repeat, etc.
You probably don't have salvaging skills yet, Sansha 'rats drop Melted Capacitor Consoles as salvage, which are worth 250k ea on market.
Occasionally you stumble onto a True Sansha ship, which will probably drop a True Sansha module as loot. These can be very lucrative.
I once got a True Sansha Small Control Tower BPC, which I sold for 100m+ on the contract market (somebody got a good deal). I then went into trading and never looked back.
0.5 high-sec systems will give you the best pirate loot for resale. Its also a lot of fun and will test your fledgling piloting and gunnery skills.
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