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IronGoldenEagle
Orchestrated Violence
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:45:00 -
[151]
Hard to bring it when all you ever do is sit 200 km off gate in a sniper evil synns for 2 mins then warp off, repeat cycle...
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Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea
Ok you either agree that "for some" plexing has no point (forget rewards I'm talking about real impact in the game) or you don't. The sarcastic rolling of the eyes just makes you another one of those "my way or STFU" trolls that seem to inhabit threads like this.
As for the vocal element being negative about plexing, its more in response to the "we're winning the war" nonsense spouted by a few caldari than an effort to put off new gal plexers. Plex if you want it really doesn't bother me because at the moment it doesn't effect me.
I pay my money to play eve just the same as you, as it stands there is simply no reason what so ever for me to change how I play the game as plexing DOES NOT effect my game. If you want to plex then props to you, 22nd do it very very well. BUT if anyone starts saying "we're winning the war, gal are s**t" then I will defend the viewpoint that plexing means NOTHING to the current game mechanics whilst pointing to the looses we have inflicted which have a direct effect on the wallet of those who popped.
Ideally we need to put this "I'm winning" rubbish aside and work together to propose a system that DOES actually impact on the game. Then you would see a huge shift in focus from the more serious gallente corps. But honestly I don't hold out much hope for that as there are far too many people who just want to smack.
Shame really.
Shame indeed Parmenides Elea that so stuck on your view point and will not be joining the war effort for your faction. Viewing the latest results I can safely say the Gallente plex machine ôgrinding into gearö http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/. This goes to show you that no one likes to be told they are loosing and sometimes rewards are not part of the equation. Yes I will agree with on one point the current tangible reward for FW are meager at best. The intangible rewards for FW are massive and should not be ignored or ridiculed because it doesnÆt go with your view point. We were once challenged by Gallente pilot to take the systems in essence and well the results speak for themselves. This giant mess of thread might actually be doing FW a lot of good. :)
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 03/04/2009 21:53:11
Originally by: Draco Rosso The intangible rewards for FW are massive and should not be ignored or ridiculed because it doesnÆt go with your view point.
Of course it should. The intangible rewards are all in the player's mind. The player's viewpoint is the source of the reward.
Quote: We were once challenged by Gallente pilot to take the systems in essence and well the results speak for themselves.
Yep. You fell for it. -- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Cosmic Raider
Solo Plex
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Posted - 2009.04.03 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea Ideally we need to put this "I'm winning" rubbish aside and work together to propose a system that DOES actually impact on the game.
Shame really.
You don't need CCP to make any changes. You have everything you need right now.
You seem to want PVP for the sake of PVP. Cool. Caldari plexers have given you all you need to change the focus of the game. Certainly you know we are out and about. We fully expect to fight and welcome it. Come get us.
What our efforts have done is provide a chance for change in dynamics. You don't have to do the OMS to Tama run (but you can do that too). You don't have to fight in heavy ships (but you can do that too).
What we (and your plexers) offer is the opportunity to greatly expand the size of the battlefield, the types of ships, and the size of the fleets involved. Your plexers understand that. Talk to Mitch Taylor.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.03 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Raider
What our efforts have done is provide a chance for change in dynamics. You don't have to do the OMS to Tama run (but you can do that too). You don't have to fight in heavy ships (but you can do that too).
What we (and your plexers) offer is the opportunity to greatly expand the size of the battlefield, the types of ships, and the size of the fleets involved. Your plexers understand that. Talk to Mitch Taylor.
You really don't know what we do or have done do you? ---
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.04 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Cosmic Raider
What our efforts have done is provide a chance for change in dynamics. You don't have to do the OMS to Tama run (but you can do that too). You don't have to fight in heavy ships (but you can do that too).
What we (and your plexers) offer is the opportunity to greatly expand the size of the battlefield, the types of ships, and the size of the fleets involved. Your plexers understand that. Talk to Mitch Taylor.
You really don't know what we do or have done do you?
Do you really think that we care what you guys do? You try to tell how good you are but i do not sign that. Systems flips to Caldari so maybe you are doing something wrong?
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.04 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Raider Talk to Mitch Taylor.
Im already quite busy thank you!
Just as a side note, there is a value in all corporations in our militia that 'do' something, wrath of fenris rank very highly in my opinion as a corporation which excels at what they set out to achieve.
Neither you nor I have the right to challenge those very personal goals, for whatever end.
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.04 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Raimo on 04/04/2009 16:10:32
Originally by: Bad Messenger
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Cosmic Raider
What our efforts have done is provide a chance for change in dynamics. You don't have to do the OMS to Tama run (but you can do that too). You don't have to fight in heavy ships (but you can do that too).
What we (and your plexers) offer is the opportunity to greatly expand the size of the battlefield, the types of ships, and the size of the fleets involved. Your plexers understand that. Talk to Mitch Taylor.
You really don't know what we do or have done do you?
Do you really think that we care what you guys do? You try to tell how good you are but i do not sign that. Systems flips to Caldari so maybe you are doing something wrong?
I didn't try to tell how good we are. I responded to CR's response to my corpmate where he makes assumptions of what kind of warfare we are limited to. Truth is we don't patrol OMS-Tama. Yes we use BS and caps but we also do Ceptors, dessies and AFs as well as cruisers, HACs and Recons, etc. Our battlefield doesn't need expanding, our enemies however do need to fight us and not stab up and run!
Lol at the "fighting" plexers (22nd) today, they had 6 in suja capping a Caldari Major, we had 3 wolfies in local when I stopped by in my Ranis... I decided to hop in to the plex solo (We had no gang up) and they ALL ran! And I heard that they were stabbed to boot... :P
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.04 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Messenger on 04/04/2009 16:20:03
Originally by: Raimo Edited by: Raimo on 04/04/2009 16:10:32
Originally by: Bad Messenger
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Cosmic Raider
What our efforts have done is provide a chance for change in dynamics. You don't have to do the OMS to Tama run (but you can do that too). You don't have to fight in heavy ships (but you can do that too).
What we (and your plexers) offer is the opportunity to greatly expand the size of the battlefield, the types of ships, and the size of the fleets involved. Your plexers understand that. Talk to Mitch Taylor.
You really don't know what we do or have done do you?
Do you really think that we care what you guys do? You try to tell how good you are but i do not sign that. Systems flips to Caldari so maybe you are doing something wrong?
I didn't try to tell how good we are. I responded to CR's response to my corpmate where he makes assumptions of what kind of warfare we are limited to. Truth is we don't patrol OMS-Tama. Yes we use BS and caps but we also do Ceptors, dessies and AFs as well as cruisers, HACs and Recons, etc. Our battlefield doesn't need expanding, our enemies however do need to fight us and not stab up and run!
Lol at the "fighting" plexers (22nd) today, they had 6 in suja capping a Caldari Major, we had 3 wolfies in local when I stopped by in my Ranis... I decided to hop in to the plex solo (We had no gang up) and they ALL ran! And I heard that they were stabbed to boot... :P
Yes we saw your corp mate in tannolen capturing plex in imicus cloaked (new bug in apocrypha i think), we came in plex and start to cap and more your corpmates came in AND WE DID NOT RUN. Battle report Personally i was impressed about your ship setups.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:38:00 -
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Tought **** if FW doesn't have much goals. Set your own ones and reach them. Like most ppl posting here prolly have done. After all, who says everyone needs to have the same goal?
Posting randomly this time, not much to spin&twist here.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Nius KIncaid
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo Edited by: Raimo on 04/04/2009 16:10:32 [Lol at the "fighting" plexers (22nd) today, they had 6 in suja capping a Caldari Major, we had 3 wolfies in local when I stopped by in my Ranis... I decided to hop in to the plex solo (We had no gang up) and they ALL ran! And I heard that they were stabbed to boot... :P
Did they already cap the plex, or left it uncapped? This honestly doesn't sound like the 22nd I'm in. As you said it's a major I would assume they had already scanned out what your corp mates were flying and figured it was a no win situation depending on what they were flying, as they have no way of knowing your not in a gang. I highly doubt any of them were stabbed, but I wasn't there and don't know the particulars, I'll be asking around when I log in later.
If the plex already capped I can see them leaving, If your 2 mates were in HAC's or BC's and they were all in dessys and frigs I can see them leaving. If it were just a matter of six of them running from a lone inty then I would be ashamed of them.
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kangwo
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Posted - 2009.04.04 22:08:00 -
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we need to gather the system lords of gal, and systematically wipe out the cal s****in a series of rounds of ethnic cleansing
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Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2009.04.05 11:14:00 -
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The way i understand it, the plexes and the mechanics to take systems were put into FW to instigate pvp. It is essentially what 'hamburger hill' is to a FPS game. (hamburger hill is a game mode where there is an alternative way to win by holding a strategic point for a certain time. It provides another strategic layer to the game as you cant sit back and camp, you have to make sure the other team cant capture the hamburger hill.)
So we got plexes that should work as natural strategic points to fight over. To instigate pvp. Of course, if Gallante are saying "Blah, we don't care, we want to sit in our blob and pad our stats" then, obviously this is not going to work.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.05 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Icegaard The way i understand it, the plexes and the mechanics to take systems were put into FW to instigate pvp. It is essentially what 'hamburger hill' is to a FPS game. (hamburger hill is a game mode where there is an alternative way to win by holding a strategic point for a certain time. It provides another strategic layer to the game as you cant sit back and camp, you have to make sure the other team cant capture the hamburger hill.)
So we got plexes that should work as natural strategic points to fight over. To instigate pvp. Of course, if Gallante are saying "Blah, we don't care, we want to sit in our blob and pad our stats" then, obviously this is not going to work.
There is lot of plexers on gallente side too. And they fight for plexes. But they will lose because Caldari has better organization at this moment. FW works as intended. FW just need lot of work because capturing one systems take days and maybe weeks, so casual players say they do not care. They could help their plexing groups in many ways, but as they say they do not care. They just want to do things that are not fw things, like anchoring POS and killing POS, roaming wiht large sniper fleets etc...
CCP made rules for FW and personally i think it was quite well planned. There is couple 'bugs' that should get fixed but no major issues.
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Droog 1
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Posted - 2009.04.05 11:55:00 -
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It's good that the Squids are rping and 'doing there bit for the state' but tbh the complexes were put there as arenas where fights should take place. The point of running a complex is to get a fight when the enemy come to defend it. Who owns the system/has occupancy is irrelevant. If it was meant to mean anything CCP would have made it so. Occupancy is supposed to encourage opposite forces to win back the system and thus bring more fights for both sides.
Unfortunately a lot of the Squids think that FW can be 'won' by capturing them. FW is a perpetual war which can never end. That's why occupancy doesn't change anything. If the Squids want to sit in a complex waiting for a fight that's fine but don't get too excited by the whole occupancy thing. It is irrelevant.
The problem as I see it, is that many Squids and Gallente think that complexes are some sort of mission. The Squids claim complexes are a good place for PvP and the Gallente disagree. The Squids have been asking for rewards for complexing because it is easy to find plexes in quiet sytems and run them without being disturbed.
In my experience roaming will get you more action than looking for complexes. No amount of Squid whining will convince me that plexes are a good place to find PvP.
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Djalkmarra
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Posted - 2009.04.05 12:28:00 -
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yes.. all those plexing points mean nothing..
but 165 kills by Caldari to 101 Gallente.. now thats something you can get your PVP teeth into.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:00:00 -
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They need to change plexes so you can only capture them by fighting at them.
I don't know precisely how that would work but it's what needs to happen.
At the moment plexes are a way to duck fights as much as to get them.
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain They need to change plexes so you can only capture them by fighting at them.
I don't know precisely how that would work but it's what needs to happen.
At the moment plexes are a way to duck fights as much as to get them.
What an bright idea ! Wait , that sound familiar, Oh yea, CCP invented that allready.
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Lt Mooncat
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:53:00 -
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I don't understand how the Gallente can lose so many sytems. If you look at the Official Stats the Gallente have a better all time average than the Caldari in both VPs per day and kills. I have to wonder how much of this success is down to the fact the Caldari simply outnumber the Gallente because the official stats per Caldari member are the worst of all the 4 Militia.
From reading many of these threads it looks like the Caldari have more people running complexes for role playing purposes rather than to get into a fight. Look at the stats again and for the last 7 days and it's clear that as the number of VPs increase the number of kills decreases. Surely this suggests that most fighting is occuring away from complexes.
Both sides have people who like to roam and people who like to run complexes. Saying that one is better than the other is personal choice but the stats confirm that complexes are not where most of the action is.
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Waylan Yutani
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Waylan Yutani on 05/04/2009 18:20:13 bah, i dont care for the plexing - i do it out of boredom when theres nothing else to do. But mostly im doing it for the fights, and both wts and pirates provide good sport - im sure the fun is mutual. Win all across the board
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Mooncat ... but the stats confirm that complexes are not where most of the action is.
I would not say that. If a serious blob battle breaks out a lot of ships die and bolster the stats much more than the occasional fight in a plex.
While I was still in FW for every plex that you had a fight in you had a dozen or so where you simply idled at the beacon. And a lot of the times the opponent was a pirate. Maybe it is better during the US times, but in the Euro time zone the small fights were few and far between. Of course, there always was the major blob in Tama or OMS.
Corporation RP channel: "PlacidReborn" |
Turelus
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Mooncat I don't understand how the Gallente can lose so many sytems. If you look at the Official Stats the Gallente have a better all time average than the Caldari in both VPs per day and kills. I have to wonder how much of this success is down to the fact the Caldari simply outnumber the Gallente because the official stats per Caldari member are the worst of all the 4 Militia.
From reading many of these threads it looks like the Caldari have more people running complexes for role playing purposes rather than to get into a fight. Look at the stats again and for the last 7 days and it's clear that as the number of VPs increase the number of kills decreases. Surely this suggests that most fighting is occuring away from complexes.
Both sides have people who like to roam and people who like to run complexes. Saying that one is better than the other is personal choice but the stats confirm that complexes are not where most of the action is.
We have three or four corps dedicated to plexing (although we love our PVP) the Gallente don't have any that I know of... Micro-Funks? I don't know their plans =(
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Hidden Snake
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Posted - 2009.04.06 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones 95% of FW fights happen in two places
1. Gates 2. Plexes
So saying "plexes don't matter" is rather naive. I'm not saying you have to go out and become beacon orbiters...but it's not like the Squids are running plexes in cloaking frigs.
true, true ... most of my kills/losess are results of plex searching/plexing.
And yeah most of the FW battlefield is Caldari ... so we are winning frogs and you can do a f***ck about it :)
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Absalom Marathon
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:14:00 -
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We had a fight with both u militias at the same time yesterday right? fun but laggy
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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Mooncat I don't understand how the Gallente can lose so many sytems. If you look at the Official Stats the Gallente have a better all time average than the Caldari in both VPs per day and kills. I have to wonder how much of this success is down to the fact the Caldari simply outnumber the Gallente because the official stats per Caldari member are the worst of all the 4 Militia.
From reading many of these threads it looks like the Caldari have more people running complexes for role playing purposes rather than to get into a fight. Look at the stats again and for the last 7 days and it's clear that as the number of VPs increase the number of kills decreases. Surely this suggests that most fighting is occuring away from complexes.
Both sides have people who like to roam and people who like to run complexes. Saying that one is better than the other is personal choice but the stats confirm that complexes are not where most of the action is.
You look fw stats and you are right, most of killing happens when people jump from nourv to tama and explode. But as i have said before it is not faction warfare it is normal gate camping and you can do that every where. Actual war is going in plexes, stats show only that gallente is not willing to fight anymore. They plex in 40 man fleets and still get chased out. They sure get plexes but most of those plexes are in systems where it has no effect how war is going. To conquer system you have to take all plexes from it like 2 weeks and many players do not have patience to do that. If Gallente plex with 40 man fleet like 3 hours and leave area, 1 Caldari can defend it later if there is no resistance anymore on those systems.
So plexing should bring fights but at this moment gallente does not have enough good PVP players to bring in critical plexes. They just want to fly in big blobs and kill random people.
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paddytehpyro
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Absalom Marathon We had a fight with both u militias at the same time yesterday right? fun but laggy
Yes you did and it was quite fun :D. Trying to tackle a BS and falling of the grid was annoying though. BUT, only a few people in fleet de-synched which was an improvement.
Lets do it again sometime
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Juan Rayo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.06 11:23:00 -
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I have to say, tonight's fights in Heyd were great fun. We fought for 3 plexes, first one we won easy, the 2 others.. well, over 2 hours of fighting, people coming in new ships, lost 3 myself and kept coming back, our esteemed wts did the same. Small gangs going at each other time and again, no lag, what's not to like?
At the end, you guys got the plexes, better coordination will do that. I'd like to think we made you pay a fair price for them though, and look forward to another scrap like this one. GFs all around. Endurecete cabr=n! |
Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.04.06 12:14:00 -
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After 2 weeks of fruitless labor in Heydieles I was at last presented with a plex the system. Local looked pretty clear so one of our corp mate ran the timer down hoping we can ninja plex away while the wts werenÆtÆ looking. The it all went down hill from there wts swarmed the plex and kicked us out. We knew that losing a plex in Heyd was not an option was we set about preparing a counter attack. We knew the odds were stacked agisnt and but we still went for it with 2 to one odds. We went down in glorious cloud of death. I think the solace in that mess was getting a couple kills and scaring the war targets with our fighting spirit.
In the second round we gathered what ever men were available to help because we had second chance. But the war target got to the second plex first and we had to counter attack quickly. We managed to get into the plex while the regular militia guys were of herding cats. Then we were forced out of plex and we come with new strategy to gain the upper hand. The war targets didnÆt seem to know about the second hidden plex in local. We managed to get a small strike team into the plex before the war targets could counter our move. This allowed us to gain the upper head for the up coming battle. Soon after we took the plex we had to hold the field on yet another assault by the war targets. This time we were victorious and prove to be the turning point of the battle.
After we took our first we went back into station to share the spoils of war. At this point in time the space pervs were on the scene and ready to do battle. We charged the last remaining plex and fought with the war targets once more. We were again victorious and held the plex. The war targets were determined to fight one more battle. They come back in force and broke down our front lines exposing our speed tanker to danger the good new for use that war targets also took heavy losses in their attempt. Some fancy flying from inty pilot and a heroic stand by our last remaining front line battletank ensured that our victory even if it come down to the wire!
Good work to everyone that was a part of the effort even our war targets.
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decoherance
Gallente The Black Ark
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Posted - 2009.04.06 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Absalom Marathon We had a fight with both u militias at the same time yesterday right? fun but laggy
Haha, that was a great fight. I had to laugh though, I was busy shooting you lot when the Caldari's landed on top of us, most of the Gallente warped out but I was pointed and jammed to hell and back, yet I managed to survive for a good 10mins with no tank whatsoever, launched my drones at the inty that had me scrammed, Gallente fleet warped back in and I managed to warp out with 40% hull left. Why point and jam a tankless mega if your not going to kill it? I died later though :( |
IronGoldenEagle
Orchestrated Violence
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Posted - 2009.04.06 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Rosso blah blah blah random PVE and RP stuff blah blah We managed to get into the plex while the regular militia guys were of herding cats.
Afeter yall lost the first fight despite militia offering help, which I had to find out by having a guy in your fleet tell me, we quickly formed a fleet and beat a 15 man minmattar gang, then ran down to heydelies to find it empty. After you lost you never communinctaed in milita or with any of the guys that FC that you were going back. You want help next time killing WTs in a plex then ask and don' complain later cuz you didn't.
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