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HUN HANNIBAL
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:08:00 -
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the person Sokratesz is the scammer.
he made an auction for a wyvern and for a nyx.
i b\o a wyvern. but when the isk vere sent-he just logged and added me to ban list.
the adress of topic is:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1028199
is it possible to return the money?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:12:00 -
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He obviously accidentally the whole wyvern.
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Tacitus Krekt
Tactical Rebellion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:17:00 -
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No.
Character trades would be different if there were eve-mails exchanged confirming of the sale -- but in the case of item auctions (in this case, the nature of Supercapital trading) -- you have to REALLY trust the person, or use a third party to hold the isk.
As far as I know, there is no binding obligation from whatever dialogue the two of you had that lead up to you wiring isk to his account.
Supercapital trading = evemail Chribba
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HUN HANNIBAL
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:19:00 -
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anyway is it awailiable to return money?
all logs and mail the topic with the auction is printscrinned if he will decide to modify it.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:21:00 -
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Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/03/2009 06:22:56
Lol. I read that auction yesterday. Anyone that demands isk up front from chibbypoo is a scammer.
Also, no, your not going to get your isk back as there were no out of game mechanics or exploits used. You decided to send the isk, he simply decided to not uphold his part of the deal. Think of it as a fancy type of freeform scam.
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HUN HANNIBAL
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:49:00 -
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anyway its rather big summ of money and hope GM will solve the problem.
at least everyone will know that its a scammer...
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:03:00 -
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Oh lol... It would seem that your grasp on game mechanics is as poor as your grasp of the English language. GMs won't get you your monies back. Well played Sok.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:05:00 -
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Nope, all your ISK is gone (unless Sokratesz gives it back to you) and there is nothing the GMs can do for you.
Sorry.
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The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:39:00 -
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Whyyyyyyyyyyy do ppl fall for this. Seriously?!
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XrayZ
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:01:00 -
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this was a 'auction' without contract...
so if u give someone ur isk ( a quite big amount ) and dont get a trusted 3rd party to hold isk or whatever, then ur pretty much screwd.
so gj sok, keep it up :)
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HUN HANNIBAL
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:12:00 -
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so u wanna say, CCP support scammers?
as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?)
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:15:00 -
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 Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL
so u wanna say, CCP support scammers?
as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?)
Well its not like they hold their hands and show them how and stuff, but yeah. If you don't break the EULA then you can scam people.
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xHazzarDx
Roevhuller i Rummet
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL
so u wanna say, CCP support scammers?
as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?)
You sent some dude your isk, because of his "word" on a deal. This isnt CCP's or the GM's responsibility to prevent, or correct afterwards, but your own responsibility..
CCP do not support of condone scamming, they simply allow it to be done.. YOU are solely responsible for who YOU chose to thrust, and spotting potential contract scams.. CCP are not here to make the correct decisions for you, nor clean up the bad ones made..
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL
so u wanna say, CCP support scammers?
as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?)
If you have more ISK than braincells someone out there is going to equalise that.
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HUN HANNIBAL
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:32:00 -
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but it look after character trading. but its an ingame "item". anyway they look for scams and block scammers.
in THEIR official forum thread made by scammer. why dont they do any mechanics to make transfer safe as they did for a timecodes and characters.
there is no other way to buy such items like motherships. but CCP do noothing? strange situation
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Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mickey Simon on 25/03/2009 10:35:47
Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL
but it look after character trading. but its an ingame "item". anyway they look for scams and block scammers.
in THEIR official forum thread made by scammer. why dont they do any mechanics to make transfer safe as they did for a timecodes and characters.
there is no other way to buy such items like motherships. but CCP do noothing? strange situation
Character trading involves real money. That is why CCP take such a hard line on it.
In game scamming however, is part of the game and perfectly legitimate. Lark put it quite succinctly. If you've got too much ISK and not enough brains, there will always be someone to correct this error.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:48:00 -
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Scamming is an endorsed and viable source of income in this game. If you don't mind me asking... Where did you get so much isk without realising this yourself?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/03/2009 10:52:49
Originally by: Lady Spank
Scamming is an endorsed and viable source of income in this game. If you don't mind me asking... Where did you get so much isk without realising this yourself?
Its only viable if your good at it.. something that im not :( (SO CLOSE!!!)
Edit: Oh, that means Nexxy that unfortunately your cut is zero.. I'd have mailed it to you, but I thought having it out in the open like this is really the best way. Sorry to have let you down.
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AntonioBanderas
Amok.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:54:00 -
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uh, aren't deals made on forums binding?
iirc you must hold your part of the deal if it was made poblically on eve-o...
correct me if i'm wrong
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Akasa Dwarf
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:00:00 -
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you got scammed and you don't like it
So what
just learn from the lesson and don't let it happen again
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Salikh Thane
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: AntonioBanderas
uh, aren't deals made on forums binding?
iirc you must hold your part of the deal if it was made poblically on eve-o...
correct me if i'm wrong
That's a negative. From the Sell Order forum rules:
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16. Trading is not binding, if one party does not honor an agreement made on these forums, ISD or CCP may not be able to help you.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: HUN HANNIBAL
so u wanna say, CCP support scammers?
as there is no ingame mechanics supported directly by CCP and GMs doing nothing - we can say that they support them?)
Scamming is a valid game mechanic. (So long as it's not a character trade for non-PLEX GTC trade)
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Kinky Girl
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:38:00 -
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I'm willing to help you with this issue, I've also been scammed by this person and successfully managed to get my ISK returned by the GMs with a legal argument that they didn't want to face.
Please send all the details (including chat logs) you have to me via an EVEmail, I'll also require a 2 Billion ISK returnable deposit to prove that you aren't timewasting. Hopefully we should have a resolution before the end of the week. |
Nexus Kinnon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/03/2009 10:52:49
Originally by: Lady Spank
Scamming is an endorsed and viable source of income in this game. If you don't mind me asking... Where did you get so much isk without realising this yourself?
Its only viable if your good at it.. something that im not :( (SO CLOSE!!!)
Edit: Oh, that means Nexxy that unfortunately your cut is zero.. I'd have mailed it to you, but I thought having it out in the open like this is really the best way. Sorry to have let you down.
you suck
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Epegi Givo
Amarr
Demon Theory
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:31:00 -
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if you had 18 bill then you should be able to afford a merc corp to gank the scammer to death.
When people start to learn what you do to people who scam you then they are less likely to scam you.
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Sokratesz
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:33:00 -
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- Client was very eager to get Wyvern
- I wasn't intending to scam from the start, but he never mentioned chribba and offered a deposit right away
- Client displayed a certain degree of naivety in terms of understanding game mechanics
A golden opportunity, to say so.
I won't bother with the chat logs as they are fairly boring. I just wish to stress that this was a solo action, and that I wasn't representing anyone else other than myself. I have already received communications from Caldari Provisions that they do not condone this behaviour but will not take disciplinary action this time because of my lasting loyalty and service to the Caldari State.
On a last note, I wish to ask the client a question. If I returned the ISK right now, would your feelings towards me remain hostile? If so, you appear to have attached your ego to a 'video game' in a degree that is not deemed healthy by most Psychiatrists, and I would advise professional counselling.
- Sok.
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Kavu
Gnarkill INC
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:45:00 -
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how in the world do dumb people get all this isk...
AND WHY DONT THEY JUST GIVE IT TO ME!
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Sokratesz
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:15:00 -
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I would like to add one more observation, unrelated to the client, but regarding the entire process. I have noticed a very strong correlation between the degree to which an Eve player knows me and the degree with which they applaud my course of action. It is not quite 100%, but very, very strong indeed.
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Myz Toyou
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
I would like to add one more observation, unrelated to the client, but regarding the entire process. I have noticed a very strong correlation between the degree to which an Eve player knows me and the degree with which they applaud my course of action. It is not quite 100%, but very, very strong indeed.
Hi Sok,
still that desperate to get as quick as possible in a Titan it looks 
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
I would like to add one more observation, unrelated to the client, but regarding the entire process. I have noticed a very strong correlation between the degree to which an Eve player knows me and the degree with which they applaud my course of action. It is not quite 100%, but very, very strong indeed.
Sok i've missed your bald head so much mate ^^
This was awesome and i support you fully great work mate my corp has a space for you should you ever want a new home mate just remember the good old days from paradox :)
<3 you man in the most manly way possible and you have my support in scamming this particular group of russians *salutes*
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