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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
178
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:56:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Noofels wrote:They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me. Move to low-/null-sec, problem solved.
Makes sense.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
783
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:01:00 -
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fit a tank |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
75
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:15:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Cloak enters belt gives thrashers the signal to undock. 1 thrash scrams, the rest tear up. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
503
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:29:00 -
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We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
619
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:57:00 -
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Best option: Have an orca on standby. you can just park the hulk inside the dcu+bulkhead fitted orca before the gankers finish landing on grid "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
619
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:58:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13162422
for sure, bro "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
347
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:04:00 -
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Go to a deserted system; Ghosts don't play Eve
Stop being a ****** and align; generally the twenty thrashers warping in aren't there to hug you
Use Directional Scan; Mash that button faster than you mash your meat and you'll be fine
Just those three things alone virtually guarantee success in any environment, and I can personally attest to this, having lost only one Hulk in the whole time I've played the game. And that one Hulk I lost? It was an "accident" involving automated defenses on a corp tower. Hulkageddon is easy to dodge & ignore, and if you think otherwise, you're doing it wrong The pie is a tautology |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:16:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season! Yes, EVE is a dangerous place,.
This is the primary reason that I generally disagree with the folk to constantly protest the monetary viability of high sec. The reward should always be commensurate with the risk. This is why when I hear these arguements I make the counter arguement, that ABC ores need to move to Low Sec..out of Null Sec. and the mid level ores belong in High Sec. You can put the veld and scordite out in Null Sec for the care bear miners out there. lol [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:17:00 -
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. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
117
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:31:00 -
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Hulkageddon is my time to move across the galaxy and grind standings... I might mine but not much...
If I do mine it will be in a tanked Hulk, sure I might have to RTB more often, but its better than sitting in a pod...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Invul fields only work if switched on... Dscan only works if you watch it... Insta/fast-warp only happens if you are aligned, and moving...
And nothing works if your in the other room watching TV... I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow...
Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail |
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Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:48:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Lol, If 10-20 thrashers gang banged an industrial ship I'd hope they would be able to kill it. |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
69
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:56:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender. Eve is about risk vs reward. You can mine afk with a free stream of money and you want no risk because you want to make money while not playing the game? That is not very logical. You have to get over the fact that in eve there is always risk in space. Doesn't matter what you fly! |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
69
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:01:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Learn to align, learn to tank, learn to orca fleet mine, learn to mine in empty non-popular systems? Learn another profession? learn to play eve? Make friends, move to null and mine there? rent a system? Move to 1.0 rookie systems and mine? Learn to PVP? Learn to PVE? learn to Explore? Learn to market, learn to research, learn to manufacture?
The only person stopping you from playing is YOURSELF. Totally logical! |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
71
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:06:00 -
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Why would you want to be able to do the same thing everytime you log into a game ?
Isn't it far more interesting when situations ebb and flow and make you respond to a changing environment ?
Would you get upset at the Fish and Game board if salmon wern't running during duck season ?
Do you want to watch pro football on Saturdays in the Spring ?
There is so much to do in EVE... you can certainly take a few weeks off mining and find other stuff to do.. PI.. exporation, see if you can scan a worm hole and fly around in it and come back to tell the tale that you survived?
It seems to me that people just seem to take it personally beceause it was another player at the other end, not just a twist in the game play environment...
or maybe people don't want twists and just feel like they want a boring predictable game where nothing can go wrong if they do a few simple things.
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Thabiso
Merchants of the Golden Goose
6
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:00:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Most gankers roam your local asteroid fields, so have your corpmate run a mission and go mine in that mission complex. Keep an eye on d-scan and/or have some scout sitting at the gate to the complex - enemies warp in, you warp out. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
172
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:06:00 -
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FOR THE LOVE OF VELDSPAR just get in to a BS and us elasors and drones to mine, and put a huge buffer fit on it. youll be safe. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:21:00 -
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*sigh*
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck
or
. scan for gravimetric sites . kill or tank rats
and
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck
or
. run mining missions
and
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck
or
. mine in a BS
and
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:26:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:Hulkageddon is my time to move across the galaxy and grind standings... I might mine but not much...
If I do mine it will be in a tanked Hulk, sure I might have to RTB more often, but its better than sitting in a pod...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Invul fields only work if switched on...
Most hulk fits can perma-run invul fields. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:27:00 -
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Mining is crappy anyhow, go do something else for a while and you might find it so enjoyable you never want to return to mining.
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Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
519
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:48:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. empty pocket systems wormhole systems dscan standings use remote rep allies hidden sites mission sites inside warpgates with ore
be creative, don't be afk, be alert of local and others in your mining spot. |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:10:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:Hulkageddon is my time to move across the galaxy and grind standings... I might mine but not much...
If I do mine it will be in a tanked Hulk, sure I might have to RTB more often, but its better than sitting in a pod...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Invul fields only work if switched on... Dscan only works if you watch it... Insta/fast-warp only happens if you are aligned, and moving...
And nothing works if your in the other room watching TV... ^ don't perma-run invuln fields, so many people seem to do this and it's really stupid.
You want to be able to overheat the invuln when you need it and having to wait out the cycle time before heat kicks in can be the difference between life and dead.
Pre-heat it but leave it deactivated, only activate when hostiles are on grid (suicide gank) or you get yelllowboxed (regular pvp). |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
849
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:21:00 -
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The issue you are facing is flying a ship that is incredibly easy to gank and incredibly expensive. There will always be a giant target on your back for suicide gankers no matter if it is Hulkaggedon or not.
Standings will not help you because it is not just a couple alliances suicide ganking. So forget about that. Being aligned will not help, they will bring in someone to bump you out of alignment as the suicide ship is landing. So forget about that too. Finally being active at your keyboard paying attention will not help you either because of the first two. Anyone can be the ganker. Anyone can be setting up a warp in. Anyone can be the guy in a bumper ship. Want to use it in a nice quite system not on the main mining hubs? The moment any of them sees a hulk on scan, the system you are mining is is being blasted all across the suicide gank channels and a hit squad will be on you before you fill up that jet can.
You are basically ****** if you want to fly a T2 mining barge in high sec. You will be hunted down and your expensive ship destroyed. At what cost to the gankers? Maybe, MAYBE, a couple million ISK loss compared to your 200+ million ISK loss. They will also receive a security standings hit, which of course they will fix in null sec faster than it was to setup to gank you. Oh yeah, well at least you have kill rights on them now... for a month. So run off into null sec to cash it in right?
So again, T2 mining barge in high sec is ******. No matter what you do to keep it from happening, it will be killed. That risk vs reward feels great doesn't it?
My only advice if you want to stay in high sec is to simply not fly anything expensive. Fly stuff that is so cheap, the gankers simply can't be asked with the effort. Once again, this is a side effect of old/broken game mechanics that start a butterfly effect and you wind up things like burn jita and hulkageddon. If you think broken game mechanic x,y,z that only pertains to null sec does not concern you, think again.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
849
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:27:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. empty pocket systems - you will be found wormhole systems dscan - lol, this simply does not work standings use - yeah this is a waste of time considering the suicide ganker can be anyone remote rep allies - lol, do I even need to explain why this is fail? hidden sites - again, you will be scanned down faster than a fat kid jumping on a cupcake mission sites inside warpgates with ore - the amount of ore you could possibly get doing this is paltry compared to simply running more missions and refining the loot. this is a joke. be creative, don't be afk, be alert of local and others in your mining spot.
I guess one out of six is decent advice...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Wilma Shakespear
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:20:00 -
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Everyone who has Problems come to Gallente Space, i Mined without distubance since yesterday in 0.8 Space... |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
64
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:47:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Son, any ship can get ganked anywhere it flies, anytime.
It's kind of the point of a pvp internet spaceships game.
I think his complaint is that it is possible to gank his Hulk, even with the Hulk skilled and fitted for tanking and flying with friendly support. On top of that, they can make a profit doing so.
He is only asking for a fighting "chance", when it is currently impossible to protect one's self in Highsec, which defeats the purpose and spirit of highsec in the first place.
I am not agreeing/disagreeing with anyone, just conveying the logic. |
leich
Nocturnal Romance Fall From Heaven
23
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:50:00 -
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I takes 1 destroyer to kill a hulk not 10 not 20 but 1.
It's awsome |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
300
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:36:00 -
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Your best option is to biomass yourself. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Carton Mantory
Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities
10
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:51:00 -
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Wilma Shakespear wrote:Everyone who has Problems come to Gallente Space, i Mined without distubance since yesterday in 0.8 Space...
The reason for that is most have done soo many Caldari missions they cant make it to gallente space. Caldari scum
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Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:59:00 -
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Don't fly a hulk, period. Stick to Retriever/Covetors
Mine in Low Sec... same danger as high sec these days with better reward.
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
904
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:39:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Myxx wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. empty pocket systems - you will be found wormhole systems dscan - lol, this simply does not work standings use - yeah this is a waste of time considering the suicide ganker can be anyone remote rep allies - lol, do I even need to explain why this is fail? hidden sites - again, you will be scanned down faster than a fat kid jumping on a cupcake mission sites inside warpgates with ore - the amount of ore you could possibly get doing this is paltry compared to simply running more missions and refining the loot. this is a joke. be creative, don't be afk, be alert of local and others in your mining spot. I guess one out of six is decent advice...
Pocket systems --> work just fine. You see someone show up in local, they're probably there to kill you. Wormholes --> no less dangerous than anywhere else Dscan --> works perfectly fine. Set (for example) to 1AU and keep an eye out for someone coming in. Standings --> YMMV. Will probably not work so hot during HAG events. Remote Rep --> it works, but a proper gank squad will be able to break the RR anyway. Hidden Sites --> not everyone bothers scanning Mission Sites --> It's still safer than sitting in a belt. Furthermore, you do realize that Meta1-4 doesn't refine as nicely as Meta0 (about 50% less material)
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