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Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:22:00 -
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want just share whats happened me yesterday:
Since Apocrypha i was wondering if there is really a reason to use covops instad to put a core launcher on your combat ships.
Covops give stronger results, but actually with my average skills i was alway able to find any cosmic signature in 10 mins maximum, so why bother?
Until yesterday... I found u radar site and i was not able to pass 66% accuracy even with 4 probes with 0.25au radius and good placement. Spent half hour triing to move probes to increase accuracy but with no results.
I had to dock, and undock with my rigged covop to be able to reach 100% accuracy.
Dunno if max skills and regular ships would be enough to find this site, but i was happy to find that there is still something that i could not find in non-specced ship.
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Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dante024781 on 19/03/2009 07:31:20 So the answer is no?
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zibelthurdos
Concrete Developments
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:35:00 -
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I thought the covops lost the bonus to scanning.
so it's probably the rigs.
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Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dante024781 Edited by: Dante024781 on 19/03/2009 07:31:20 So the answer is no?
The answer is Yes, since exists sites i cant get without covop. Not sure how many sites have such low strength but i guess that those are the most interesting ones.
@zibelthurdos: Covops lost scanning time bonus in favor to scanning strength bonus.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.19 07:48:00 -
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There is a huge difference in scanning difficulty between me (with 5/5/4/4 scan skills, a Sisters launcher, a covops, and some cheap 3% implants) and my alt (with a T1 scanning frigate, bog-standard launcher, no implants, and 4/4/3/3 skills). There aren't many sites my alt can't find, but there are some; and the overall difficulty for the alt is much higher than it is for me.
So, yes, there's plenty of reason to use a covert ops ship. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: zibelthurdos I thought the covops lost the bonus to scanning.
so it's probably the rigs.
Uh. What?
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.19 08:18:00 -
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50% bonus to scan strength at level 5 cov ops. Also if you want to find the best of the best exploration sites in a reasonable amount of time with the new probing system you will need level 5 skills in everything and every scrap of scan strength you can find be it implants, rigs and/or ship bonuses. Finding ships in missions for ninja salvaging or low level sites and the wh themselves should be doable with basic skills and an unbonused unrigged ship or a level 4 t1 astrometric frigate. All in all when the wrinkles like the probe interface get ironed out the new probe system will be very nice and a definite improvement over the old way as it will scale properly with skill instead of just shortening the time to wait for a random number to pop up.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:02:00 -
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Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
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Xoth Freefall
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
Don't forget the implant set, virtue i think
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xoth Freefall
Originally by: Jimer Lins Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
Don't forget the implant set, virtue i think
Dammit, I knew I would forget something. ;)
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Neamus
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Posted - 2009.03.19 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xoth Freefall
Originally by: Jimer Lins Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
Don't forget the implant set, virtue i think
I doubt you really need all that stuff tbh, no doubt it makes things easier but I'd be surprised if you couldn't find the same sites with a standard launcher, probes and no implants.
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Wasdasjetzt
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
lol, wasted skillpoints enmasse. all skills 4 + covert ops and i scan 10/10 or xxx-fleet staging in under 10mins ( not that the fleet staging sites were worth it anywhere:P)
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Kleb Siella
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:41:00 -
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Welcome to the age of the disposable scanning alt. |
Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.03.19 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Space Wanderer on 19/03/2009 11:51:52 Dark, dark, you should have asked me....
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Victor Valka
Caldari Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Valka on 19/03/2009 12:04:54
Originally by: Jimer Lins Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
What you really need to get is =<50% scan strength at .25AU for the smallest signal size (1,25) from a single probe.
Easiest way I found is: Astrometric Triangulation LVL5; SoE probes; PPH-0 implant; 2 GCU rigs;
This will give you ~51% signal strength at .25AU for signal size of 1,25 with SoE probes. Assuming you get the probe alignment right, you will be able to find any site.
(Edited for clarity.)
Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:06:00 -
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Answer is no. Increase scan strength + covops cloak.
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Letava
Gallente Nightsky Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:02:00 -
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I found a site in w-space the other day I couldn't get above 10.8% strength. That being with cov ops 5, rigs, Sisters launcher and Astrometric Triangulation 4. Seems it would be difficult to find even with max skills and implants, I wonder what was in it. |
Pikkuhukka
Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:28:00 -
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sure needed for EXPLOITATION
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 13:35:00 -
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For humping around in highsec no covops is needed. I am doing well with a swiss army knife Vexor. But it does have issues finding the more difficult wormholes and you almost always need to go down to 0.25 AU to get a hit. A covops is more convenient for scanning, though you'll have to switch to a specialist ship to do the site and in highsec this usually means someone else already finished what you wanted to do when you get there again.
Anywhere but highsec, use a covops for scanning. And in w-space, just fleet warp you gang mates to their doom instead of risking a peek with the covops. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:24:00 -
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cov ops win because of accuracy.
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Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer Edited by: Space Wanderer on 19/03/2009 11:51:52 Dark, dark, you should have asked me....
Why? Its so nice discover things by myself.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Voynix Why? Its so nice discover things by myself.
You got a point there. :-)
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wasdasjetzt
Originally by: Jimer Lins Here's what you need for finding really hard sites:
Astrometric Triangulation 5 (I think that's what it's called now). Gives a 50% increase to scan strength at 5 (10% per level). Astrometric Pinpointing 5- gives lower deviation, makes sites faster to narrow down. Covert Ops 5- gives an additional 50% bonus to scan strength if you're in a covert ops ship. Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs- each gives an additional 10% to scan strength. Fit two. Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher- gives an scan strength bonus- either 5 or 10%. I think 5. Sisters probes- give an additional scan strength bonus. Poteque PPH-1 or PPH-2 implants give scan strength bonuses.
Go wild.
lol, wasted skillpoints enmasse. all skills 4 + covert ops and i scan 10/10 or xxx-fleet staging in under 10mins ( not that the fleet staging sites were worth it anywhere:P)
I had those SP a year before Apocryhpa. They're not wasted, even now.
And as far as finding sites, you can do it with less, certainly- for some of them . But ships are another matter- if you want an exercise in frustration, try and probe out an interceptor at a safespot without a few bonuses.
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Myrkala
Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2009.03.19 15:59:00 -
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Yeah, I tried scanning the other night in a rifter with a core launcher, I was looking for a wormhole.
As it turns out I go to the point of using 4 0.25 au probes, and I was moving them around a lot and scanning a lot until I eventually reached 99,88% strength on the signal and then I gave up. I had astrometrics 1. :P
My friend in a covops scanned it down and we warped to the site and then I open up the map again and find that I am smack in the middle of my "unsuccsessful" probing array and on top of the scan result "dot" on the map.
So yeah, noobs will have a hard time scanning for anything if they insist on having just Astrometrics LVL 1, I'll have LVL 4 tonight takes just a few hours to train. "Ruppie ain't no puppie." |
Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2009.03.19 17:03:00 -
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covops no longer needed for exploration? No, it is still needed for exploration. The answer is no.
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Meazy San
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Posted - 2009.03.19 17:19:00 -
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I beg to differ I find Wormholes and RADAR sites all the time in a Recon which gets no scan bonuses. My probe skills aren't even high:
Astrometrics 5 Astrometric Aquisition 3 Atrometric Pinpointing 4 Astrometric Triangulation 2
Very true a cov-ops can find it quicker but I have no trouble with the extra time it takes to probe stuff out which is only 2-3 mins at most. It's all about the way you place the probes. Tho in scan down contest a cov-ops would more likely win thats a given.
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Boogosh
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:13:00 -
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In high sec, its really not needed. But once you go into low sec and especially 0.0, then a covert op with the covert op cloak become indispensible in running through warp bubbles and other unpleasant gate camps.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:19:00 -
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Needed? No. Great utility tool? Yes. -
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