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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:04:00 -
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Simple solution would be to be able to directional scan through a wormhole (dont know if the server could process this though) then people can see if theres a wtfpwnbbq camp on the other side. But i stress again, its 99% impossible to die in a wormhole bubblecamp.
I just wait for people to go off probing out cosmic sigs then kill them when theyre in that. Or die trying Though, in hindsight; I really should put in some sort of spacer between my post and signature |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: charming wanderer
Originally by: Venkul Mul Irregardless of our opinion, bubble are there and they will stay.
So better adapt.
GAH!!!! Please stop making yourself sound like a moron...
"Irregardless" is not a real word!!! In fact if you try and analyze it as if it WAS a real word it ends up being a double negative (not being without regard??)...
Merriam-Webster on line dictionary
Entry: ir+re+gard+less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ๔there is no such word.๖ There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
I think a dictionary trump Wiki in this instance.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:25:00 -
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I've only once been ganked by a bubble in W-space, and that was after going through a hole that was in a busy system. Go to ass-end high sec or better yet, low sec, and scan out a hole, jump in, make a decent safespot. You'll never see anyone again unless you *want* to.
On an aside, it *shocks* me to see how careless people are in W-space. Already while running around in a buzzard I've found lots of undefended hulks mining. Just wish I had weapons on the buzzard :( ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:28:00 -
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This is sort of a moot point since ships enter W-space within 2km of the wormhole. Bubble or no bubble you can easily avoid a gatecamp by just sitting tight until your session timer runs out and then hitting "jump".
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg I've only once been ganked by a bubble in W-space, and that was after going through a hole that was in a busy system. Go to ass-end high sec or better yet, low sec, and scan out a hole, jump in, make a decent safespot. You'll never see anyone again unless you *want* to.
On an aside, it *shocks* me to see how careless people are in W-space. Already while running around in a buzzard I've found lots of undefended hulks mining. Just wish I had weapons on the buzzard :(
I think the bigger issue is that many new players, and old players who never learned, are completely unfamiliar with how to act outside of hisec. They still believe the bed time stories their mothers told them about how every losec gate is camped and how they'd die within a few minutes of ever touching 0.0.
I was teaching a two year old player how to use the directional scanner yesterday. Again and again, I find that many players cling to ignorance and fairy tales with such fervor that it's actually a little disgusting.
Somehow, I hope w-space awakens many of these low-lifes to the real game.
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 18/03/2009 20:48:06
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I think the bigger issue is that many new players, and old players who never learned, are completely unfamiliar with how to act outside of hisec.
Not disagreeing with what you say one bit, but funnily enough you could flip that statement on it's head when talking about low/0.0 dwellers with regards to operating in high sec. But that's OT.
Tangent to take away from this is that those people camping W-space-side gates could probably make a lot more ISK actually engaging the content in W-space rather than waiting for people to come through the holes. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Morberi
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: charming wanderer
Originally by: Venkul Mul Irregardless of our opinion, bubble are there and they will stay.
So better adapt.
GAH!!!! Please stop making yourself sound like a moron...
"Irregardless" is not a real word!!! In fact if you try and analyze it as if it WAS a real word it ends up being a double negative (not being without regard??)...
Merriam-Webster on line dictionary
Entry: ir+re+gard+less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ๔there is no such word.๖ There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
I think a dictionary trump Wiki in this instance.
Please if you want to play that game here's another dictionary qoute
Quote: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Morberi
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: charming wanderer
Originally by: Venkul Mul Irregardless of our opinion, bubble are there and they will stay.
So better adapt.
GAH!!!! Please stop making yourself sound like a moron...
"Irregardless" is not a real word!!! In fact if you try and analyze it as if it WAS a real word it ends up being a double negative (not being without regard??)...
Merriam-Webster on line dictionary
Entry: ir+re+gard+less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ๔there is no such word.๖ There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
I think a dictionary trump Wiki in this instance.
Please if you want to play that game here's another dictionary qoute
Quote: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
All that tells me is that it's a legitimate word that didn't make sense in the early 1900's and when broken down technically means nothing.
Welcome to the English language, is all I've got to say. We've got a lot of words that don't end up making sense. Well, Americanized English, that is.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:56:00 -
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Its unsecure and unexplored space.
People need to realise that if anything it's going to be just as, if not more dangerous than 0.0 is.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Palm Edited by: Bloody Palm on 18/03/2009 19:14:15 People complaining about bubbles in w-space need to be better informed on game mechanics. The only useful purpose of the bubble is to keep people from warping straight to the wormhole exit when they see a ship/probes on scan. It does stop you from warping out when jumping in, however, that is solved fairly simply by jumping back out.
Assuming you are coming from highsec into a wormhole: Jump into wormhole If the w-system is camped, approach wormhole and jump back out...You load into the system within jump range of the wormhole so there is no excuse to die when entering the wormhole except your own stupidity.
I thought this would be the case... until I lost my cheeta and got podded. I jumped into a WH from hi-sec and into a bubble. I was spamming the jump button but got some kind of session timer. BOOM! BOOM! I was dead and resurrected 1/2 way across the universe.
I know that you're supposed to be able to jump right back out, but for some reason it didn't work for me. I was in jump range, I hadn't performed any actions to gain an aggro timer and it was my first jump into a WH that day.
I'm not gonna whine about it. I just take it as an expensive lesson learned. It's not like iskies are real money anyway.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lyvanna Kitaen
Originally by: Bloody Palm People complaining about bubbles in w-space need to be better informed on game mechanics.
I thought this would be the case... until I lost my cheeta and got podded. I jumped into a WH from hi-sec and into a bubble. I was spamming the jump button but got some kind of session timer. BOOM! BOOM! I was dead and resurrected 1/2 way across the universe.
I know that you're supposed to be able to jump right back out, but for some reason it didn't work for me. I was in jump range, I hadn't performed any actions to gain an aggro timer and it was my first jump into a WH that day.
I'm not gonna whine about it. I just take it as an expensive lesson learned. It's not like iskies are real money anyway.
You have to wait out the session timer just like a normal gate until you uncloak then you jump back into normal space.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:11:00 -
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Many things ingame activate a session change timer, which lasts 30 seconds. Jumping into a system does this as well.
You can see the session change timer if you enable it in general options...but you shouldn't have to. Just remember that if you jump into a w-space bubble, DO NOT DO ANYTHING. The session change timer lasts 30 seconds, the exact same amount of time you'll stay cloaked automatically.
When your ship decloaks automatically (without you doing anything), the session change timer will have expired and you can jump back through.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:11:00 -
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Been through plenty of wormholes and have yet to see any that were camped
Oh, and if they are, you can just jump back through, you know...
IMO W-space should be the most dangerous space in EVE. If you're finding it too hard to survive out there; don't go there.
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Valrandir
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Valrandir on 18/03/2009 21:13:01
Originally by: Denaris Aschanna I've been reading over the past couple of days how WSpace has become the new pirates playground.
Now whilst I have no objections to this per se, I do feel that those who are using bubbles at the entry points of wormholes are, to put it bluntly, taking the ****. They're players looking for easy kills at little risk to themselves, taking on people that are more than likely flying probing ships. True, you can probably pop back through the wormhole if you're quick, but a lot of newer players will probably panic and end up being ganked.
To my mind, bubbles are a perfectly valid mechanic in 0.0 warfare - Alliances have to protect their space for example. However WSpace belongs to nobody save the sleepers - you can't claim sovereignty there, so why should you be allowed to trap anything and everything that comes through a wormhole?
The whole focus of WSpace is exploration - if you're in there you're using scan probes, so I think players should have to work for their fix of PvP combat; if you feel the need to camp an entrance, do it the old fashioned way that requires skill with a good tackler. If you fail there, scan them down and finish the job!
What I'd actually like to see is WSpace made harder for everyone. I'd love to see bubbles not function near a wormhole - anywhere else in WSpace, fine. I'd really love to see the sleepers actively search out players in their space involved in PvP combat, and take on everyone they find.
Let's get one thing clear - This post isn't a whine, nor have I lost any ships whilst exploring this new phenomenon, and I don't intend to. I'm not quitting EVE, so no, you can't have my stuff!
Just my two pence worth, I'm interested to see what others have to say on the subject.
Warp Bubbles should be allowed
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 18/03/2009 21:32:22
Originally by: Venkul Mul Merriam-Webster on line dictionary
Entry: ir+re+gard+less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ๔there is no such word.๖ There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
I think a dictionary trump Wiki in this instance.
I don't consider a word that's an incorrect combination of two word to be a real word, no matter how long it's been used, no matter what the dictionary says. The word is "regardless". Someone heard it wrong or something and started saying "irregardless" and other people, thinking it sounded smart started using it. It doesn't mean it's correct. If you look at the parts of the word, it should really mean the opposite of what you might think.
It's only a real word if you consider mistakes perpetrated by enough people for long enough suddenly become correct.
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Monkey Saturday
Fear Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:40:00 -
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Stfu and start talking about how awesome it is to bubble wormholes from Amarr!!! --------
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 18/03/2009 21:32:22
Originally by: Venkul Mul Merriam-Webster on line dictionary
Entry: ir+re+gard+less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgSrd-ləs\ Function: adverb Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that ๔there is no such word.๖ There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
I think a dictionary trump Wiki in this instance.
I don't consider a word that's an incorrect combination of two word to be a real word, no matter how long it's been used, no matter what the dictionary says. The word is "regardless". Someone heard it wrong or something and started saying "irregardless" and other people, thinking it sounded smart started using it. It doesn't mean it's correct. If you look at the parts of the word, it should really mean the opposite of what you might think.
It's only a real word if you consider mistakes perpetrated by enough people for long enough suddenly become correct.
I'm glad you get to make the decisions for an entire society. The problem with language, I guess, is that they evolve. There's probably plenty of people who would decide that words YOU use are completely incorrect.
If you don't like a word or the use of a word, fine. But you don't speak for a society, nor are you the sole individual responsible for the definition of a language.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Morberi
Please if you want to play that game here's another dictionary qoute
Quote: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
Note the bolded part.
forum posting fall under "casual writing", not under "formal style".
If not please start hunting all the people using numbers instead of letters, Internet acronyms, contractions and so on.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/03/2009 21:51:18
Originally by: Kyra Felann
I don't consider a word that's an incorrect combination of two word to be a real word, no matter how long it's been used, no matter what the dictionary says. The word is "regardless". Someone heard it wrong or something and started saying "irregardless" and other people, thinking it sounded smart started using it. It doesn't mean it's correct. If you look at the parts of the word, it should really mean the opposite of what you might think.
It's only a real word if you consider mistakes perpetrated by enough people for long enough suddenly become correct.
Wow, so the whole American version of English should be removed?
Agreeing with and being supported by Ruze is a totally new experience.
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McMoney Bags
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:57:00 -
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I'm ok with the bubbling in W-Space. Maybe you should have rats spawn at the entry points like they do in low sec and 0.0.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
I don't consider a word that's an incorrect combination of two word to be a real word, no matter how long it's been used, no matter what the dictionary says. The word is "regardless". Someone heard it wrong or something and started saying "irregardless" and other people, thinking it sounded smart started using it. It doesn't mean it's correct. If you look at the parts of the word, it should really mean the opposite of what you might think.
It's only a real word if you consider mistakes perpetrated by enough people for long enough suddenly become correct.
First, I'll use some real words: Your an idiot.
Just because you don't "consider" it a word, we should completely stop usage of it. Funny thing about words, they used to say "ain't" wasn't a word, well damn, look at that, right there in the dictionary. They also added a few words in the late 90's to our lovely language that you may not "consider" words, like "headbanger". But funnily enough, again, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU CONSIDER. Irregardless is considered a "word in popular usage", even by spell checkers, it comes out clean, so please, get a F'n clue.
Now, on topic.
IF you want bubbles not to work in range of wormholes, then people should appear at a distance from the wormhole when jumping through, NOT AT 2500 meters.
I know, your mad, you die when you go to wormspace, but, you knew it was unrestricted space, OPEN TO ALL OF EVE, and that includes Pirates.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:05:00 -
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Bubbles are fine in w-space. Since all the pirates are busy ganking empire-dwellers inside wormholes leading from empire-space, try heading out to 0.0 and jump through a wormhole. They are mostly clear of campers and pirates. Irony is delicious. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:06:00 -
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On the one hand, anything goes sounds good. On the other hand, with enough gatecamps, W-space will simply become imitation 0.0.
I've seen neither camps nor undefended hulks in my travels, unfortunately.
The idea of fellow explorers protecting their finds sounds good, but pirates/whatever camping just for the sake of kills has an air of CCP > Look at all this amazing content we've added! Players > OMG more gates to camp!11!one CCP > What. and the W-Space systems go on to be used as nothing but traps for the unwary. -
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: charming wanderer
"Irregardless" is not a real word!!!
Wikipedia is not a real encyclopedia!
And "irregardless" is a real word. It's a combination of "regardless" and "irrespective" and means the same as "regardless." Niether dictionaries nor encyclopedias are the authority on what is a valid word. They merely document usage. People use "irregardless." It's a word, irregardless of what Wikipedia or even Dictionary.com says (though Dictionary.com says what I just said).
Irregardless
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: charming wanderer
"Irregardless" is not a real word!!!
Wikipedia is not a real encyclopedia!
And "irregardless" is a real word. It's a combination of "regardless" and "irrespective" and means the same as "regardless." Niether dictionaries nor encyclopedias are the authority on what is a valid word. They merely document usage. People use "irregardless." It's a word, irregardless of what Wikipedia or even Dictionary.com says (though Dictionary.com says what I just said).
Irregardless
Dat da truth, innit? People be holdin' me down, sayin' dese ent words 'less dey in a deekshoonary, whateva people say and rite is words yo! -
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:12:00 -
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn On the one hand, anything goes sounds good. On the other hand, with enough gatecamps, W-space will simply become imitation 0.0.
I've seen neither camps nor undefended hulks in my travels, unfortunately.
Thats because what is happening is that people are scanning out wormholes in populated empire systems then advertising its presence and camping the other side ganking all the curious players who want to take a peek. To avoid the majoiry of that type of stuff just scan out a wh in some remote upopulated empire system and you will be fine.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn but pirates/whatever camping just for the sake of kills has an air of (degenerates into random ramblings)
Why?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Thats because what is happening is that people are scanning out wormholes in populated empire systems then advertising its presence and camping the other side ganking all the curious players who want to take a peek. To avoid the majoiry of that type of stuff just scan out a wh in some remote upopulated empire system and you will be fine.
This pretty much.
More people in local means more people are going to be fighting over the Wormhole. You wouldn't find a WH in Jita and expect to be able to enter W-space through it safely, you know?
I've found at least 10 links to Empire when scanning from 0.0. All linked to systems with less than 20 people in them. None of them were campedat any point. Go figure...
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:26:00 -
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When you jump into W-space, you're immediately back at 0 to jump back out, I don't see the problem.
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