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Dave Day
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:10:00 -
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I play EVE Freelance, I used to be in a corp but it doesn't suit my style of play. I've been lucky enough to have been in the game some time and have acquired 6 labs and 6 factory slots in the same station. I don't horde them, they are all kept busy and I make around 1.5 to 2 mill ISK per day from the output. It's not a fortune but it's enough for my char to grow and keep me interested.
However, with the 5% per day increase in slot prices it won't be long till I can't afford those slots and have to release them, thus ending my entire style of game play. Surely all that will come of this is that the slots will continue to be horded but just exclusively by the mega corps who can afford the rent?
IMHO, a very bad idea.....
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Dave Day
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:10:00 -
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I play EVE Freelance, I used to be in a corp but it doesn't suit my style of play. I've been lucky enough to have been in the game some time and have acquired 6 labs and 6 factory slots in the same station. I don't horde them, they are all kept busy and I make around 1.5 to 2 mill ISK per day from the output. It's not a fortune but it's enough for my char to grow and keep me interested.
However, with the 5% per day increase in slot prices it won't be long till I can't afford those slots and have to release them, thus ending my entire style of game play. Surely all that will come of this is that the slots will continue to be horded but just exclusively by the mega corps who can afford the rent?
IMHO, a very bad idea.....
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Kalroth
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:21:00 -
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Mega corp or not. Once the slots aren't profitable, people will let them go. It doesn't matter if you're a solo player or a mega corp.
I like the changes, maybe it's possible that people rent the slots for actual research/production and not just research their small ammo bpo to level 2000.
You just have to get rid of the 'must have slot 24/7' mentality. :)
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Kalroth
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:21:00 -
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Mega corp or not. Once the slots aren't profitable, people will let them go. It doesn't matter if you're a solo player or a mega corp.
I like the changes, maybe it's possible that people rent the slots for actual research/production and not just research their small ammo bpo to level 2000.
You just have to get rid of the 'must have slot 24/7' mentality. :)
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:23:00 -
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welcome to the world of supply and demand!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:23:00 -
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welcome to the world of supply and demand!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Drilla
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:26:00 -
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The increase is only when all slots are active - if you release two slots the price drops.
Supply/demand is they way to go - everything else in EVE is.
Another thing - work on setteling in a less attractive area with a lot of free slots? - *** pure moinage ***
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Drilla
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:26:00 -
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The increase is only when all slots are active - if you release two slots the price drops.
Supply/demand is they way to go - everything else in EVE is.
Another thing - work on setteling in a less attractive area with a lot of free slots? - *** pure moinage ***
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:26:00 -
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Quite simply ... STFU !!
Quote: However, with the 5% per day increase in slot prices it won't be long till I can't afford those slots and have to release them, thus ending my entire style of game play.
/me apologises after re-reading your post and realising that you were actually joking ...
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:26:00 -
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Quite simply ... STFU !!
Quote: However, with the 5% per day increase in slot prices it won't be long till I can't afford those slots and have to release them, thus ending my entire style of game play.
/me apologises after re-reading your post and realising that you were actually joking ...
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 14/08/2004 17:45:37
Quote: The increase is only when all slots are active - if you release two slots the price drops.
quite frankly I need my labslots and if you release them I'll take em. And the price will keep going up. There will not be anymore free lab slots anytime soon. And that was the intention of the this price thingy.
I must say that I am starting to have my doubts aswell if this is a solution to the scrarseness of the slots. As I said I need the slots anyway. We own alot of bpo's and are not by a long shot done with getting them to the me/pe levels we want. Not talking s ammo here, but working on ships and m/l modules.
but for now I'll sitt back and watch what will happen.
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.08.14 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 14/08/2004 17:45:37
Quote: The increase is only when all slots are active - if you release two slots the price drops.
quite frankly I need my labslots and if you release them I'll take em. And the price will keep going up. There will not be anymore free lab slots anytime soon. And that was the intention of the this price thingy.
I must say that I am starting to have my doubts aswell if this is a solution to the scrarseness of the slots. As I said I need the slots anyway. We own alot of bpo's and are not by a long shot done with getting them to the me/pe levels we want. Not talking s ammo here, but working on ships and m/l modules.
but for now I'll sitt back and watch what will happen.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.08.14 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Day I play EVE Freelance, I used to be in a corp but it doesn't suit my style of play. I've been lucky enough to have been in the game some time and have acquired 6 labs and 6 factory slots in the same station. I don't horde them, they are all kept busy and I make around 1.5 to 2 mill ISK per day from the output. It's not a fortune but it's enough for my char to grow and keep me interested.
However, with the 5% per day increase in slot prices it won't be long till I can't afford those slots and have to release them, thus ending my entire style of game play. Surely all that will come of this is that the slots will continue to be horded but just exclusively by the mega corps who can afford the rent?
IMHO, a very bad idea.....
You would not say that if we were among the majority who don't have any laboratories. I have 9 labs but still I welcome this pricing change, because I see farther then my own personnal interest.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2004.08.14 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Day I play EVE Freelance, I used to be in a corp but it doesn't suit my style of play. I've been lucky enough to have been in the game some time and have acquired 6 labs and 6 factory slots in the same station. I don't horde them, they are all kept busy and I make around 1.5 to 2 mill ISK per day from the output. It's not a fortune but it's enough for my char to grow and keep me interested.
However, with the 5% per day increase in slot prices it won't be long till I can't afford those slots and have to release them, thus ending my entire style of game play. Surely all that will come of this is that the slots will continue to be horded but just exclusively by the mega corps who can afford the rent?
IMHO, a very bad idea.....
You would not say that if we were among the majority who don't have any laboratories. I have 9 labs but still I welcome this pricing change, because I see farther then my own personnal interest.
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.08.14 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 14/08/2004 19:38:15 a few hours later ingame...
The people who expect to be getting labslots soon because of the pricing will surely be dissapointed.
Why ? Me and my kind. People who have a large bp collection and who take pride in improving them. Because not only will the lab rents rise, also the factory rents will drop. I've had a few bills to pay just now and sofar factory rent decrease keeps the lab rent increase in balance.
Imo a hard limit to the slot amount one/a corp can hold is the only way to go if a fast change is wanted.
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.08.14 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 14/08/2004 19:38:15 a few hours later ingame...
The people who expect to be getting labslots soon because of the pricing will surely be dissapointed.
Why ? Me and my kind. People who have a large bp collection and who take pride in improving them. Because not only will the lab rents rise, also the factory rents will drop. I've had a few bills to pay just now and sofar factory rent decrease keeps the lab rent increase in balance.
Imo a hard limit to the slot amount one/a corp can hold is the only way to go if a fast change is wanted.
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.14 20:06:00 -
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everyone does realised how ME research affects waste don't they? that ME 10 is not twice as good as ME 5?
maybe if this was made common knowledge (read: beaten into people) there'd be less rediculous research going on __________________________________________
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.14 20:06:00 -
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everyone does realised how ME research affects waste don't they? that ME 10 is not twice as good as ME 5?
maybe if this was made common knowledge (read: beaten into people) there'd be less rediculous research going on __________________________________________
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.08.14 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 14/08/2004 20:52:18 There are Piles of Empty Lab slots in alliance space. Yes it requires some work to get them, yes getting you BPOS there is pain in the ass. Setting up insta BMs will help though.
The rent around here 2000 isk
Edit: @Tokka Konnair people arent researching worthless bpos up to ME2000 because theyll think it saves them mines, theyre doing it to prevent the labs slot from unrenting due to "It not being in use". Just because they dont need those labs atm doesnt mean they wont in the future. Thats why theyre researching useless bpos. ---------------------------
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Barth3zzzNL
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Posted - 2004.08.14 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Barth3zzzNL on 14/08/2004 20:52:18 There are Piles of Empty Lab slots in alliance space. Yes it requires some work to get them, yes getting you BPOS there is pain in the ass. Setting up insta BMs will help though.
The rent around here 2000 isk
Edit: @Tokka Konnair people arent researching worthless bpos up to ME2000 because theyll think it saves them mines, theyre doing it to prevent the labs slot from unrenting due to "It not being in use". Just because they dont need those labs atm doesnt mean they wont in the future. Thats why theyre researching useless bpos. ---------------------------
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.14 21:05:00 -
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perhaps the solution is a maximum ME level? __________________________________________
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.14 21:05:00 -
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perhaps the solution is a maximum ME level? __________________________________________
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.08.14 21:20:00 -
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Yep - this looks like a really stupid change.
Today I have no lab slots because I cannot find any. Tomorrow, I wont be able to afford them.
And dont mention supply and demand. There is no way the lab pricing scheme maps to any normal supply/demand curves.
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DeFood
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Posted - 2004.08.14 21:20:00 -
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Yep - this looks like a really stupid change.
Today I have no lab slots because I cannot find any. Tomorrow, I wont be able to afford them.
And dont mention supply and demand. There is no way the lab pricing scheme maps to any normal supply/demand curves.
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.08.14 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 14/08/2004 21:40:48
Quote: everyone does realised how ME research affects waste don't they? that ME 10 is not twice as good as ME 5?
maybe if this was made common knowledge (read: beaten into people) there'd be less rediculous research going on
Rest assure ppl know, here is a quote from a thread some time ago. Sry can't find the posters name only have the text
Quote: Ok heres a little info, and some maths:
Take the waste factor of a blueprint, no matter what the waste factor is (any level of ME should work). Take also the most used mineral on the blueprint.
Most Used Mineral Value / (1 + Waste Factor Value) = Absolute Minimum for that Mineral.
For example, my blueprint may say it has a requirement of 1760 tritanium, and has a waste factor of 0.1:
1760 / (1 + 0.1) = 1600
That is the least amount of that mineral you can ever ever use. So to find the level of research you will require to get to that perfection, you would need to take 20%.
1600 x 0.2 = 320
Why 20% I hear you say? Well for every fractional value there in a build, it is rounded to the nearest whole integer. Up or down.
What we are aiming to do is reach a research level that will result in 1600.49 tritanium required. At which point it will round down to 1600.
How can we test this? Ok similarly we can work out the waste factor at a set Mineral level with the following:
Original Blueprint Waste Factor (0.1 or 0.05) / (1 + ME level)
For example:
0.1 / (1 + 320) = 0.0003115
To work out how much of a mineral is used in a build, we take the Absolute Minimum and multiply by (1 + Waste Factor).
1600 x (1 + 0.0003115) = 1600.4984
This value will round down to 1600, therefore we have achieved perfection at Mineral Level 320 for this fictional blueprint.
I hope that helps you understand how things work a little.
gues that also answers your second post here. There is a max level, namely the point where the bp reaches perfect state.
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Aboath Greydroggen
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Posted - 2004.08.14 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Aboath Greydroggen on 14/08/2004 21:40:48
Quote: everyone does realised how ME research affects waste don't they? that ME 10 is not twice as good as ME 5?
maybe if this was made common knowledge (read: beaten into people) there'd be less rediculous research going on
Rest assure ppl know, here is a quote from a thread some time ago. Sry can't find the posters name only have the text
Quote: Ok heres a little info, and some maths:
Take the waste factor of a blueprint, no matter what the waste factor is (any level of ME should work). Take also the most used mineral on the blueprint.
Most Used Mineral Value / (1 + Waste Factor Value) = Absolute Minimum for that Mineral.
For example, my blueprint may say it has a requirement of 1760 tritanium, and has a waste factor of 0.1:
1760 / (1 + 0.1) = 1600
That is the least amount of that mineral you can ever ever use. So to find the level of research you will require to get to that perfection, you would need to take 20%.
1600 x 0.2 = 320
Why 20% I hear you say? Well for every fractional value there in a build, it is rounded to the nearest whole integer. Up or down.
What we are aiming to do is reach a research level that will result in 1600.49 tritanium required. At which point it will round down to 1600.
How can we test this? Ok similarly we can work out the waste factor at a set Mineral level with the following:
Original Blueprint Waste Factor (0.1 or 0.05) / (1 + ME level)
For example:
0.1 / (1 + 320) = 0.0003115
To work out how much of a mineral is used in a build, we take the Absolute Minimum and multiply by (1 + Waste Factor).
1600 x (1 + 0.0003115) = 1600.4984
This value will round down to 1600, therefore we have achieved perfection at Mineral Level 320 for this fictional blueprint.
I hope that helps you understand how things work a little.
gues that also answers your second post here. There is a max level, namely the point where the bp reaches perfect state.
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.14 22:20:00 -
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... but that's not the maximum ... you can research a print well beyond that for the purposes of tying up a lab slot __________________________________________
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2004.08.14 22:20:00 -
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... but that's not the maximum ... you can research a print well beyond that for the purposes of tying up a lab slot __________________________________________
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.08.14 22:32:00 -
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Normally when there is more demand the tax or costs are not raised 5% a day, the commodity which is in demand would be build or made room for so more people can use it.
There should atleast be 10% more labslots and the price should be raised 5% per week. - - -
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TGIF
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Posted - 2004.08.14 22:32:00 -
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Normally when there is more demand the tax or costs are not raised 5% a day, the commodity which is in demand would be build or made room for so more people can use it.
There should atleast be 10% more labslots and the price should be raised 5% per week. - - -
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