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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:51:00 -
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Thank you. Now, as a clarification for thread readers:
- By checking the first box you can avoid the launcher all times it isn't necessary.
- By checking the second box the launcher will get rid of itself once you open EVE like any other launcher should.
- By leaving the second box unchecked you can very easily open several clients at once by clicking "PLAY" over and over and then closing the launcher once you have opened the clients you want.
It has already been noted by CCP the potential the launcher has such as being able to login to multiple accounts at once and possibly moving the account login to the launcher itself and having only character select on the client (which would finally mean you could switch character without having to log back in). They are working on it ( '.')-b
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Citrute
Quiet.Storm
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:38:00 -
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Its quite simple.
If you want to launch multiple clients across multiple monitors, each with their own settings, (my jita trader does not need Bloom shaders and AA) you have to either install multiple copies of the client, and patch each one.
Or
You can use a ntfs junction like any sane person should. If you use a ntfs junction and have both those box'es checked, on patch day when you go to launch your two clients, you WILL destroy your install by having two launchers try to patch the same files.
What i used to do:
See there is a patch, close extra clients, click 'okay'. Restart all clients and play eve
What i have to do now
See there is a patch, close all clients, run launcher & patch. Close launcher, Open clients, see there is another patch deployed in client. Close all extra clients. Click okay. Install patch, relaunch all clients, play eve. If i missclick on a step or forget to close clients while doing the above, run repair tool and try again.
"They are working on it" is a poor excuse. These sort of things should be developed on the test server, not pushed out as soon as you have a good looking splash screen and 'iterate'. Iteration is needed for those things that were never finished, its a good thing... what we don't need is more crap shoveled to us (that we never asked for) while saying 'it'll get better, i promise!' |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Dark Matter Coalition
1059
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:51:00 -
[33] - Quote
Citrute wrote:Its quite simple.
If you want to launch multiple clients across multiple monitors, each with their own settings, (my jita trader does not need Bloom shaders and AA) you have to either install multiple copies of the client, and patch each one.
Or
You can use a ntfs junction like any sane person should. If you use a ntfs junction and have both those box'es checked, on patch day when you go to launch your two clients, you WILL destroy your install by having two launchers try to patch the same files.
What i used to do:
See there is a patch, close extra clients, click 'okay'. Restart all clients and play eve
What i have to do now
See there is a patch, close all clients, run launcher & patch. Close launcher, Open clients, see there is another patch deployed in client. Close all extra clients. Click okay. Install patch, relaunch all clients, play eve. If i missclick on a step or forget to close clients while doing the above, run repair tool and try again.
"They are working on it" is a poor excuse. These sort of things should be developed on the test server, not pushed out as soon as you have a good looking splash screen and 'iterate'. Iteration is needed for those things that were never finished, its a good thing... what we don't need is more crap shoveled to us (that we never asked for) while saying 'it'll get better, i promise!'
It was on the test server back in November.
Whatever you see now, it was WORSE on SiSi.
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Citrute
Quiet.Storm
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:56:00 -
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I saw it on the test server, i thought it was a great idea, and even submitted my concerns i felt that needed to be addressed if it were to go live. The fact that it was worse back then is not relevant. It is to be expected that a test server would have issues, and i'm perfectly okay with that. That is what its for, to test and develop. Instead, it seems it was used as a platform to determine what the minimal acceptable feature set they can launch with and while still whispering 'iterate' into our ears.
Whatever happened to 'excellence', or was that scrapped a few years back? |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Dark Matter Coalition
1059
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:05:00 -
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Citrute wrote:
Whatever happened to 'excellence', or was that scrapped a few years back?
It created Incarna cause they got full of themselves.
My point in saying ti was worse as that to show how they DID take some feedback and did make it better and I could only expect that the improvements will take leaps and bounds based on how much better it was between SiSI and TQ.
The Drake is a Lie |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
98
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:01:00 -
[36] - Quote
Citrute wrote:Its quite simple.
If you want to launch multiple clients across multiple monitors, each with their own settings, (my jita trader does not need Bloom shaders and AA) you have to either install multiple copies of the client, and patch each one.
Or
You can use a ntfs junction like any sane person should. If you use a ntfs junction and have both those box'es checked, on patch day when you go to launch your two clients, you WILL destroy your install by having two launchers try to patch the same files.
What i used to do:
See there is a patch, close extra clients, click 'okay'. Restart all clients and play eve
What i have to do now
See there is a patch, close all clients, run launcher & patch. Close launcher, Open clients, see there is another patch deployed in client. Close all extra clients. Click okay. Install patch, relaunch all clients, play eve. If i missclick on a step or forget to close clients while doing the above, run repair tool and try again.
"They are working on it" is a poor excuse. These sort of things should be developed on the test server, not pushed out as soon as you have a good looking splash screen and 'iterate'. Iteration is needed for those things that were never finished, its a good thing... what we don't need is more crap shoveled to us (that we never asked for) while saying 'it'll get better, i promise!'
Uh-huh, so instead of just using a 'standard' like what's achieved with "Memory" preset you go through the hassle of setting up symbolic links...
So while you go through a Safari Tour to update your clients here's what I do:
1) Launch the Launcher
2) Patch
3) Click 'Play'
4) Install the OPTIONAL Client update(s)
5) Restart game
6) Click 'Play' 5-times
7) Login to each client
I'm perfectly fine with Step 4, because I know that these Client Updates are sometimes only needed by a handful of players that have trouble, but are recommended to those who don't.
I would like to be able to input the Username and Password for my accounts into the launcher so in say a grid-layout or what not I can click "EVE Client 1" and it will login with User: John; Pass: 1234. But "EVE Client 2" will use the User: Smith; Pass: 9876. This goes inline with what I say down below my response to Xercodo.
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@Xercodo
If you want to run multiple clients it's best to leave the box to close the Launcher unchecked as it will throw an error about not being able to "update a directory from which process are running". So that's something that'll need to be fixed
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As for placing the settings into the Launcher...no.
How about, instead, a folder with the name of each account as the Folder Name and you simply link EVE Client #1-(whatever) to the corresponding folder.
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
29
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:40:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:Wait....people still install games to c:/program files(x86)? Yes.
The reason I asked this is that there have been known issues on many other games that patch on a regular basis running into problems with the game files when they are in any of the Windows Vista and 7 "Program Files" folders. They have special protections that can interfere with patching.
I ran into it when I first got Vista and was playing AO, when I posted in in tech help, first thing they asked was if I had the game in Program Files, if I did... re install it to a separate folder.
The Valdspar is Holy, it must be allowed to float free. Free of lesser rocks that try to clutter it's Holy Path though the Heavens. |
Citrute
Quiet.Storm
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:03:00 -
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Dyner wrote:I completely missed the point
Its great you use 5 clients on one monitor, I am glad you also needed a wall of text to describe how to patch, instead of a single, simple line like it used to be.
I'm happy for you. I really am, its awesome it works for you, but this thread isn't about your non issues with the new launcher.
The launcher also interferes with the ability to take advantage of aero and the way windows handles taskbar grouping. (Look closely, there are two groups there) I cannot achieve this if i start my clients with the launcher. grouping 'by monitor'
I'd really like to have a dialog about this, It's a pity the only dev response's have been to lock the thread or post a smug remark.
Toshiroma McDiesel, that is directly related to UAC, simply turning it off will solve those issues. (or running the application as administrator) |
Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics
K162
105
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:36:00 -
[39] - Quote
I run 4 clients,one client is real, the other three are just symbolic links to the original. When it's patch day, I start up one client (as I always do), and it'll patch by the client downloading the patch, closing, then the launcher opens, it patches, then I just close the launcher.
I have four links to my EVE clients, all are the same except they go "installdir/eve1", eve2, eve3 etc etc. and link directly to the eve EXE that runs when the game is running.
All four clients run with different settings, on different monitors, everything.
I suppose you'd nitpick that I still have to apply the client patches on each client on login, yes, you have to do that, but that's just how it works. Other than that, you only run the main patch once. |
Lenore Leelu
Obsidian Dynamics
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:42:00 -
[40] - Quote
Citrute wrote:Its quite simple.
If you want to launch multiple clients across multiple monitors, each with their own settings, (my jita trader does not need Bloom shaders and AA) you have to either install multiple copies of the client, and patch each one.
Or
You can use a ntfs junction like any sane person should. If you use a ntfs junction and have both those box'es checked, on patch day when you go to launch your two clients, you WILL destroy your install by having two launchers try to patch the same files.
What i used to do:
See there is a patch, close extra clients, click 'okay'. Restart all clients and play eve
What i have to do now
See there is a patch, close all clients, run launcher & patch. Close launcher, Open clients, see there is another patch deployed in client. Close all extra clients. Click okay. Install patch, relaunch all clients, play eve. If i missclick on a step or forget to close clients while doing the above, run repair tool and try again.
"They are working on it" is a poor excuse. These sort of things should be developed on the test server, not pushed out as soon as you have a good looking splash screen and 'iterate'. Iteration is needed for those things that were never finished, its a good thing... what we don't need is more crap shoveled to us (that we never asked for) while saying 'it'll get better, i promise!'
I do the multiple folders thing. For large patches, after patching one client use the launchers export tool to send the patch data to the next folder. When the launcher is run for your next folder it will pick up the patch you exported. |
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
98
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:55:00 -
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Citrute wrote:Dyner wrote:I completely missed the point
Its great you use 5 clients on one monitor, I am glad you also needed a wall of text to describe how to patch, instead of a single, simple line like it used to be. I'm happy for you. I really am, its awesome it works for you, but this thread isn't about your non issues with the new launcher. The launcher also interferes with the ability to take advantage of aero and the way windows handles taskbar grouping. (Look closely, there are two groups there) I cannot achieve this if i start my clients with the launcher. grouping 'by monitor'I'd really like to have a dialog about this, It's a pity the only dev response's have been to lock the thread or post a smug remark. Toshiroma McDiesel, that is directly related to UAC, simply turning it off will solve those issues. (or running the application as administrator)
Dual monitors...
*I just broke down the simple steps. In short, I patch once and run 5 times, with no need to worry about corruption.
*I start mine via the Launcher and my stuff is grouped: http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/Simulo/EVE_multiclient_ftw-1.jpg
-From the text and the pic I'm assuming you want the game clients to be grouped?
As for settings the easiest is to set the "default" to say "Performance" preset and then manually change the one client you want to use as your Primary to say "Memory" or "Quality", just make sure to exit that one first so it won't overwrite the "Default" setting you want for the rest of the clients.
...why people over-complicate things, I'll never understand.
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I would like to see:
1) The "EVE" folder in My Documents moved to "My Documents\My Games\EVE". No, I will not move it myself...
-Really irritates me that Game Companies still dump their folders into the " \Documents\ " folder. I know it has to do with the fact that Win2k and the like don't have the "My Games" thing...or some other reason. But it's annoying they can't make it "\Documents\My Games\{Our Game}\" with a simple check to see if "My Games" exist. It's been so long since Win2k and XP that I don't recall if Windows would overwrite a folder with the same name or follow the path (aka auto-merge)
2) With the above I want "\EVE\{Account Name}\"
-Inside the {Account Name} I want the settings AND UI Layout (includes Overview stuff) in a nice say XML file that I can copy to the other {Account Name} folders
There's more, in regards to how the client functions, but those are not pursuant to this thread. |
Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
20
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:29:00 -
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I really hate to gripe about stuff, but this launcher is just a PITA.
We've had such a good year of Internet Spaceships and Crucible awesome-sauce...then this clunky launcher comes along.
I applaud CCP and the work they've done but the launcher was totally unnecessary. I now have to patch the launcher and the game.
:sadface:
Looking forward to Inferno though! \o/ |
Mr Stow
Stow Transport and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:32:00 -
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This ghodawful launcher has been a brutal experience. Right this moment, I am downloading the game for the 4th time in a week just to get normal access functional. I'm essentially locked out of the game. Some folks may think this nonsense is clever and neccessary, but I'm not impressed. I've got one account. I pay the bill. Launching the game should not require a ceremonial dance, throwing salt over your shoulder, 5 restarts and a prayer to Buddah. Let's get this functional folks. |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
619
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
Launcher would be made infinitely more useful if it managed multiple accounts (preferably one install location, but separate settings for each account, ie; different monitors!)
Good news for you haters, you can just disable the thing (nearly)completely and you only see it while there are major eve patches
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
99
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:23:00 -
[45] - Quote
@Mr Stow
-Looks like you're just unlucky.
OS: Win7 [64bit]
Install Path: G:\Games\CCP\
No issues at all with the launcher, though I did have an issue where my character went purple
( http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/Simulo/wtf.jpg )
How exactly did you setup your game
I would go here: http://community.eveonline.com/download/?fallback=1&
And get the offline installer if you are having issues and forced to reinstall the game. Then just do this for every major release (ie Incarna, Crucible, Inferno).
@Aargolos
The patches you download after launching the game are optional downloads. Unless you're saying you'd rather be forced to use an optional patch that could help most of the playerbase, but totally fucks up your client. In which case, you'd be pretty pissed that the optional update isn't really optional  |
Mr Expedite
TransHydro
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:12:00 -
[46] - Quote
Oh, I finally got the $%#@& thing working. Apparently it is not meshing well with the STEAM launcher. I completely blew the thing out of STEAM and cut the umbilical. EVE is now running out of it's own discrete directory with this blasted launcher. Honestly, CCP, I luv ya, but I don't need the stress. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
486
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:54:00 -
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Citrute wrote:WHY DO THINGS CHANGE?
El fixed.
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Misfit Syndicate
Warden.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:27:00 -
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Citrute wrote:[quote=Dyner]
Toshiroma McDiesel, that is directly related to UAC, simply turning it off will solve those issues. (or running the application as administrator)
Step by step plan for you;
1. TURN UAC BACK ON
2. Check how many virusses/unwanted or unkown processes you have running.
3. ???
4. Faster computer, less virusses. |
Citrute
Quiet.Storm
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
24
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:28:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Why does windows still ship with a command prompt!? A GUI does everything.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103148&find=unread
It's amazing how 'doing it the old way' is often the best solution to issues with the new launcher. |
Citrute
Quiet.Storm
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
24
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:35:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
2. Check how many virusses/unwanted or unkown processes you have running.
0
UAC will not protect you if you click allow/okay.
I sometimes run windows in 'test mode' to run unsigned drivers, too. But thank you for your concern. Computer has been running great since 7 went live. |
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
99
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:13:00 -
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Mr Expedite wrote:Oh, I finally got the $%#@& thing working. Apparently it is not meshing well with the STEAM launcher. I completely blew the thing out of STEAM and cut the umbilical. EVE is now running out of it's own discrete directory with this blasted launcher. Honestly, CCP, I luv ya, but I don't need the stress.
Shouldn't cause any trouble 
Then again the Nvidia 285.xx Driver Set cause my home computer to BSoD-loop at Windows Logo, but the comps at work didn't suffer from it.
It's like Russian Roulette....but with software  |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
638
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:54:00 -
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Citrute wrote:CCP, please use one method of patching. It is unreasonable and unnecessary to both patch with the launcher, and inside the client itself.
What was wrong with delivering patches in the client and running the repair tool when it doesn't work.
Yes this is annoying. I don't want something to patch, launch, patch again, relaunch.
Either use a launcher that does this or do not.
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Kile Kitmoore
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:17:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:Citrute wrote:CCP, please use one method of patching. It is unreasonable and unnecessary to both patch with the launcher, and inside the client itself.
What was wrong with delivering patches in the client and running the repair tool when it doesn't work. Yes this is annoying. I don't want something to patch, launch, patch again, relaunch. Either use a launcher that does this or do not.
I really don't have a problem with CCP moving to a Launcher but it just seems a little redundant. Most MMO launchers are used to patch, inform, sell and sometimes login and pick a server. The EVE client already did all this anyway, except of course picking a server.
What I don't like is the, "Can I play yet?" feeling. Patched the other day and here was my experience:
1. Launch EVE, the Launcher does not load but I get an update for it. It shows a status bar, finishes then disappears where I am left wondering if the Launcher is going to start or not. Of course it never loads so I start again.
2. The Launcher is up but there is a patch for the actually EVE client now, ok NP, it's doing it's thing. Shows a status bar at the bottom of the Launcher window and when it's complete the Play button is available, clicked Play.
3. At the actual Login screen now but wait there's more, now I have a window pop-up with another patch. I really can't remember what happen after this, I think it did a quick patch and brought me back into the Login screen of the actual client. Now I can actually login and play!
I understand you guys are trying to get it to a point where the Launcher will do everything (regarding updating of the EVE client software) but honestly the Launcher should have never been released until you had that most basic function in place. Now what you have is a confusing mess, and for what? A launcher that is going to display information that I will see logging in with the actual client?
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
640
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:24:00 -
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Kile Kitmoore wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:Citrute wrote:CCP, please use one method of patching. It is unreasonable and unnecessary to both patch with the launcher, and inside the client itself.
What was wrong with delivering patches in the client and running the repair tool when it doesn't work. Yes this is annoying. I don't want something to patch, launch, patch again, relaunch. Either use a launcher that does this or do not. I really don't have a problem with CCP moving to a Launcher but it just seems a little redundant. Most MMO launchers are used to patch, inform, sell and sometimes login and pick a server. The EVE client already did all this anyway, except of course picking a server. What I don't like is the, "Can I play yet?" feeling. Patched the other day and here was my experience: 1. Launch EVE, the Launcher does not load but I get an update for it. It shows a status bar, finishes then disappears where I am left wondering if the Launcher is going to start or not. Of course it never loads so I start again. 2. The Launcher is up but there is a patch for the actually EVE client now, ok NP, it's doing it's thing. Shows a status bar at the bottom of the Launcher window and when it's complete the Play button is available, clicked Play. 3. At the actual Login screen now but wait there's more, now I have a window pop-up with another patch. I really can't remember what happen after this, I think it did a quick patch and brought me back into the Login screen of the actual client. Now I can actually login and play! I understand you guys are trying to get it to a point where the Launcher will do everything (regarding updating of the EVE client software) but honestly the Launcher should have never been released until you had that most basic function in place. Now what you have is a confusing mess, and for what? A launcher that is going to display information that I will see logging in with the actual client?
Aye exactly I had the exact same experience yesterday. And I just wanted to change a skill *quickly*.
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Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
12
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:36:00 -
[55] - Quote
What really pisses me off is that DESPITE the fact that CCP clearly stated that they were introducing the launcher to STOP updating in the game client and streamline updates faster and in a more convenient way, they continue BOTH ways of updating.
So this begs the question then... What was the point of the new launcher? |
Nejjdat
Ma-Ven Industries
Phobos Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:32:00 -
[56] - Quote
What I'd like is to see a launcher that's resilient to unstable/lossy connections. I actually expected this considering there was a statement about it being Bittorrent-like (if I'm not mistaken; I'm not hardcore enough to read and memorize every post/devblog). I want a launcher that won't say, "Oh, your connection sucks so I'll fail and throw an error at the first packet lost." It makes it a bit difficult to patch for those of us who've been sent to, say, Afghanistan or wherever, places that have shoddy communications infrastructure. |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
147
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:41:00 -
[57] - Quote
Terribad launcher hurr |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Dark Matter Coalition
1065
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:04:00 -
[58] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:What really pisses me off is that DESPITE the fact that CCP clearly stated that they were introducing the launcher to STOP updating in the game client and streamline updates faster and in a more convenient way, they continue BOTH ways of updating.
So this begs the question then... What was the point of the new launcher?
They were using the launcher to replace the client doing the updating, not the client updates themselves.
The old process used to be:
1-Open client
2-Get patch
3-Open client
4-Get client patch
5-Restart
The new is now:
1-Open launcher
2-Auto update before even opening client
3-Get client patch
4-Restart
The part at step 2 is what changed. Those patches (not the client side ones) are the ones that CCP wanted to stream line cause they are the vital mandatory ones. Those are the patches that contain bug fixes and crash fixes and such and CCP couldn't put them out very often cause they had to do a big compile into a patch file. Now they can deploy individual files and spit out little updates as fast as they can fix things.
The bit at step 3 in the new process with the client updates is being worked on to be added to step 2 so that there is only three steps:
1-Open launcher
2-Auto patch everything
3-Open client
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Citrute
Quiet.Storm
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
28
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:28:00 -
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Confirming terrible launcher is still terrible. |
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