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Lucia Wilber
Cupcake Brigade
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Posted - 2009.03.06 00:20:00 -
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The biggest thing to remember is that EVE is a GAME. Piracy here is different from the historical concept of piracy.
In real life, where doing bad things can have serious consequences and pain/death are real as well, people are loathe to **** others off and develop a reputation as a brigand or pirate unless they can gain something monetarily from it. Unless you're literally insane in some fashion, you're not going to murder people "just for fun." Pirates, regardless of how the dictionary defines them, did not kill people merely because they felt like it, but rather to steal/ransom whatever they could. They did it for money and loot. That was their primary motivation.
EVE, however, is a game. There are no true repercussions for your actions. If you screw up, someone kills your character, oh noes, you buy a new clone, buy a new ship, and go back out for it again. Worst case scenario: You make everyone in EVE hate your guts, so you make a new character and all of a sudden you're a new person, or you just stop playing and cut all ties to "that life". The lack of any true repercussions and real-life anonymity drastically increase the chances that someone's going to do something bad "just because they feel like it."
If they implemented some nasty mechanic, such as losing a small amount of skill points when being podded, then people would be far less willing to openly engage in so-called "grief" tactics and far more willing to pick and choose targets based on their own monetary gain. The drawback, obviously, is that people would stay in high sec all the time to avoid risk at all, and the game would be a lot more boring because of it.
The truth is that death in EVE means very little to the more veteran players, and a lot of players are actually willing to simply face a slower training time just so they don't lose more than their clone cost when they die. That's the way the players like it, even if it does mean there's a lot less risk involved.
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Amy Mouse
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Rizzel
Originally by: crockett EXE
On the flip side if I get podded after a fight, I'll make sure I pod him if I ever get the chance. I might even go out of my way to hunt him down at a later date just to pod him.
I do it to get responses like this... That plus the corpses, I love me some corpses. After I scoop your loot and the corpse I go back to my hangar and play... Uhm... I've said too much.
omg you look like chribba!
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oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:24:00 -
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i heard after living in low sec we will maybe be good enough in the future to go to 0.0 but since your allready living in 0.0 i guess i cant give you any advice since im a low sec dweller and you belongs to the elite of eve
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Inertial
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.03.06 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: crockett EXE
All in all, I'd say these kind of players make the "real" pirates look bad and take away chances of ransoms and profits from the real pirates out there in the deep dark sea of EVE space..
While I do agree with you on some points, I rarely let young players live if I can help it. The biggest reason is this:
A Officer fitted State Issue Raven is at a gate about to jump into a system I am in. I have just killed a 5 day old caracal and let his pod go, the pod warps to the gate and jumps, the State Issue Raven sees the pod and thinks "Waaaait a minute, this might be dangerous, I better not risk my unique and officer fitted ship going in there". I just lost a uniqe kill as well as the chance to make billions, all because I let the pod go.
Thats the thing, if you doubt someone will pay up, you kill em, so other people don't get scared by seeing pod traffic.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:12:00 -
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thanks br0~
Originally by: Sol'Kanar I am the spermicidal cream to your semen of lies.
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Neo Rainhart
Bandiittisektori The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Rainhart on 06/03/2009 12:24:28 I kill everything that gets in my way for the fun. I don't give jack crap if I get good loot or bad, or a successful ransom because i finance my casualties from other sources.
Do i consider myself a pirate? No. A griefer? No...Terrorist? No. Opportunist? No.
I consider myself as a dude who likes action in his games and plays for fun and little do I care what consequences my actions have. As long as I'm having fun.
Sometimes people in local tell me that im a crap pirate though..why, i never claimed to be one? Is the security status the misleader?
Altough I find myself screaming YARRRRR sometimes, so I guess I'm not any better than those who falsely apply the title "pirate" on their CV..
Actually I dont even know what I'm trying to say but I'm sure i had a concrete opinion when I started writing It's hard to put into words..
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DIRTNAPZ
International House of PWNCakes Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:25:00 -
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OK, not to knock that you seem to love getting blown up for fun.... but OP fails for trusting some random idiot telling him other side of the gate was clear.
People that didn't grow up with cops in their school, while trying to sneek out and have a cigarette or smoke a joint between class will often miss this point, EVERYONE can and often will be a damn snitch. The fewer people you place trust in and the closer you are (meaning, your ability to to physically and or mentally ruin someones day/month/year/life) the more you can start to trust them.
I know this is gonna sound F'd up as all hell, but it's entirely true, how do you think a guy that beats his family gets away with it.. he has assured he will ruin their lives if they rat him out. Its actually much the same principle that kept the cold war going for all those years. Mutually assured destruction.
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DIRTNAPZ
International House of PWNCakes Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: DIRTNAPZ on 06/03/2009 12:33:10 - edit to add quotes where they belong// by some prissy teddybear "i heard after living in low sec we will maybe be good enough in the future to go to 0.0 but since your allready living in 0.0 i guess i cant give you any advice since im a low sec dweller and you belongs to the elite of eve"
fail, i've seen 2 week old players contribute more and have more balls than this.
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:32:00 -
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OK, not to knock that you seem to love getting blown up for fun.... but OP fails for trusting some random idiot telling him other side of the gate was clear.
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Think the point he was trying to convey that its the suprises that make EVE what it is, no matter how careful you might be.
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DIRTNAPZ
International House of PWNCakes Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:37:00 -
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naw, i think he was more commenting on how getting surprised and blown up happens when you are bored and useless....
probably not, but thats how im gonna look at it. I like keeping busy.
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.06 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: DIRTNAPZ Edited by: DIRTNAPZ on 06/03/2009 12:33:10 - edit to add quotes where they belong// by some prissy teddybear "i heard after living in low sec we will maybe be good enough in the future to go to 0.0 but since your allready living in 0.0 i guess i cant give you any advice since im a low sec dweller and you belongs to the elite of eve"
fail, i've seen 2 week old players contribute more and have more balls than this.
looks like someone got trolled~
Originally by: Sol'Kanar I am the spermicidal cream to your semen of lies.
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crockett EXE
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Posted - 2009.03.06 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
Originally by: crockett EXE
All in all, I'd say these kind of players make the "real" pirates look bad and take away chances of ransoms and profits from the real pirates out there in the deep dark sea of EVE space..
While I do agree with you on some points, I rarely let young players live if I can help it. The biggest reason is this:
A Officer fitted State Issue Raven is at a gate about to jump into a system I am in. I have just killed a 5 day old caracal and let his pod go, the pod warps to the gate and jumps, the State Issue Raven sees the pod and thinks "Waaaait a minute, this might be dangerous, I better not risk my unique and officer fitted ship going in there". I just lost a uniqe kill as well as the chance to make billions, all because I let the pod go.
Thats the thing, if you doubt someone will pay up, you kill em, so other people don't get scared by seeing pod traffic.
Yea, I can understand that POV.
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Enden Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.03.06 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Inertial
Originally by: crockett EXE
All in all, I'd say these kind of players make the "real" pirates look bad and take away chances of ransoms and profits from the real pirates out there in the deep dark sea of EVE space..
While I do agree with you on some points, I rarely let young players live if I can help it. The biggest reason is this:
A Officer fitted State Issue Raven is at a gate about to jump into a system I am in. I have just killed a 5 day old caracal and let his pod go, the pod warps to the gate and jumps, the State Issue Raven sees the pod and thinks "Waaaait a minute, this might be dangerous, I better not risk my unique and officer fitted ship going in there". I just lost a uniqe kill as well as the chance to make billions, all because I let the pod go.
Thats the thing, if you doubt someone will pay up, you kill em, so other people don't get scared by seeing pod traffic.
I agree, PODs spread intel and the best pod is a dead pod
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.03.06 17:49:00 -
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Ain't no podding like a West coast podding. Cuz a West coast podding don't stop.
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Kage Toshimado
Gallente The Logistical Nightmare
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Posted - 2009.03.06 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Kage Toshimado on 06/03/2009 19:04:51
...so if you see a young nooblet in a Vexor hittin' switches then you gotta give a nooblet his props...
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Torhas
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 19:34:00 -
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There are no pirats in EvE.
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Watyu
Minmatar Bears Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.06 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 05/03/2009 01:17:33 got ambushed by pirates today, while waiting to go back into 0.0.
was bored out of my tree wasting time, so was cleaning up my station list gathering and reprocessing the junk one collects over the years,you know how it is.
totally suprised, though I knew the possability was there, had to jump into a 0.4 system, and as per usual, i waited a ways from the gate watched traffic come in go out, wasnt much traffic, and was told that there was some activity there earlier but they left.
jumped in, ringed by pirates, none higher sec than -9.5 wasted and podded.
lost a bit, nothing much though, but was the highlight of my day. I always admire the perfect execution and todays was such a one.
So keep it up pirates, your exactly what EVE needs, dont let the man, or the carebears get ya down, you provided me more excitement in 30 secs than i have had in the last week fighting in expansion wars in 0.0
cheers
Your babies, I must have them
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Tsaya
Azn Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.06 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: crockett EXE I got podded in low sec by a guy that called himself a pirate, which sucked because I lost my implants. IMO I wouldn't call that kind of action a pirate but rather just a dumb griefer.
A pirate is someone that pillages and plunders in hopes to earn a little money. Someone that doesn't even bother to try and ransom a pod isn't a pirate but rather just another griefer with a lame self imposed $5k bounty on their head..
you were flying a frigate in decon right?
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