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James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: 128th ABC123
Originally by: Ishbuanium Edited by: Ishbuanium on 04/03/2009 06:04:38 Like I said, CAOD is my daily dose of lulz
Thats fine, then they should make a "Lulz" forum section so you can post in it all day. This is not what the corporation and alliance discussion forum was meant for.
The issue is NOT goons, not BOB, the issue is the quality of this forum and the fact CCP does little at all to moderate it.
And yet you still cannot define what it should be. Does it really matter whether a wall of text or a meme is used to call someone delusional, a liar or an idiot?
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:47:00 -
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Should you be calling somebody that in the first place? ________________________________________________
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Kyrie Elaison
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:25:00 -
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This forum is not SHC. The trolling is overt and, I'm not sure if this is the right word, honest here. SHC is full of passive-aggressive trolls who rarely get moderated, outside of gbbs that is, because they've posted there for years. Gbbs is moderated with slightly more vigor, but it's not exactly troll-free. If SHC is what you want, they have free registration.
Do Goons spam this forum? Yep. Do we troll the hell out of it? Yep. Is it better than the past, at least in quality of trolling? Definitely.
What CAOD used to be is what SHC is now. It was barely veiled trolls combined with people swinging their forum pipe and making general idiots of themselves. The best example I can remember are the billion or so threads about bob and their "road trip" in the north after ASCN died. Those threads were full of Dice guys doing an internet tough guy routine. It wasn't funny and it was pathetic. Add in the 10-15 "top five" whatever threads a day at the time and that was this forum. If you really think that's quality posting, that's pretty sad.
As far as personal attacks go, I'd kindly remind all of you to step off your high horses. You tend to undercut your moral outrage when you're busy telling us that we have no lives, we're dumb, we're children, etc. Spaceship nerds really need to be wary of ever critiquing other spaceship nerds' lives.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Avernus http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3521&page=486
Actually just looked at that page. Must have been pretty hard to find, but yeah... that's a good example of a 'nicer' CAOD.
Verily, because on the Previous page...
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine: Posted - 2004.12.17 18:52:00
Reading the last few threads that seemed to have locked because of characters with neither corp nor alliance affiliation posting flamebait and general troublemaking rumours I wonder if the solution to a better forum atmosphere might be to allow users to select in their account preferences whether they want to see posts from alts at all?
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I must say that I think the high levels of alt-sniping on the forums do damage the politics of the game, and they make it something of a random insult competition more than actual discussion. I enjoy reading posts from well-known personalities and alliance/independent figures and it makes me use an unhappy face when all the good threads are locked.
Boosh. Of course, even if that isn't Jades alt(it probably is), we still have good ol Jade, attacking others for bad forum behavior(post 38)
And the one before that where half of the threads are closed by moderators but one particular post might give some insight into Jades reasons for being so virulent all of a sudden. It was a long time ago, but "Star Fraction never forgets". (Frankly they have been long time allies, and the old CAOD is just the record of that)
Then again two pages after its filled with 10 threads all declaring someone else responsible for the end of Curse Alliance. None of that really compares to the glory that is eve search which brings us gems such as this one. I like the part were Jade calls a guy an idiot.
Other similarities between now and then are of course the tired rehashing of internet memes and the occasional everyone hates Jade thread
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:11:00 -
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All most people are asking, is for the forums to be moderated effectively, so they're not just a crude extension of SA.
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Cautet
Caldari Better Dead Then Smeg Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrie Elaison This forum is not SHC. The trolling is overt and, I'm not sure if this is the right word, honest here. SHC is full of passive-aggressive trolls who rarely get moderated, outside of gbbs that is, because they've posted there for years. Gbbs is moderated with slightly more vigor, but it's not exactly troll-free. If SHC is what you want, they have free registration.
Do Goons spam this forum? Yep. Do we troll the hell out of it? Yep. Is it better than the past, at least in quality of trolling? Definitely.
What CAOD used to be is what SHC is now. It was barely veiled trolls combined with people swinging their forum pipe and making general idiots of themselves. The best example I can remember are the billion or so threads about bob and their "road trip" in the north after ASCN died. Those threads were full of Dice guys doing an internet tough guy routine. It wasn't funny and it was pathetic. Add in the 10-15 "top five" whatever threads a day at the time and that was this forum. If you really think that's quality posting, that's pretty sad.
As far as personal attacks go, I'd kindly remind all of you to step off your high horses. You tend to undercut your moral outrage when you're busy telling us that we have no lives, we're dumb, we're children, etc. Spaceship nerds really need to be wary of ever critiquing other spaceship nerds' lives.
You have a point, to an extent. Some clever trolling can be amusing, as can smack and alliance bickering. However, the last couple of weeks have seen people starting new threads for the purposes of clogging up this forum, for instance several threads to offer to buy caps in pr-, several threads to quote old Bob threads with the words changes, and tons of threads relating to discussions in an existing threads.
For instance on Monday lunchtime I glanced through the threads on Coad. As far as I can recall; of 21 non-sticky threads 9 were locked, 1 was self moderated, and 1 was posted in the wrong forum. Of the remaining 10 threads, 1 was this thread, 1 was the Eve influence map thread, and 1 was the titan thread. This left a grant total of 7 out of 21 threads to read news about alliances and corporations. Of these 1 might have been relating to events outside of Delve.
This is why people are complaining. Not because they are bitter, but because they want a forum that is worth reading.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief All most people are asking, is for the forums to be moderated effectively, so they're not just a crude extension of SA.
I'm not 12. I don't find reading endless pages of memes and circular trolling 'fun'.
Indeed.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: O Thief All most people are asking, is for the forums to be moderated effectively, so they're not just a crude extension of SA.
I'm not 12. I don't find reading endless pages of memes and circular trolling 'fun'.
Indeed.
But the question is, how can this be achieved?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:44:00 -
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There are easy way of implementing rules to the specific called CAOD, No relevance po0f, no battle report po0f, and narrow atleast caod down to stuff that actually matter (Ingame) then ofc let the (Kids have there playground called CAOD rumor mill or something)
CAOD Rules ;0) 1: warning 2: warning x h mute 3 CAOD forum ban
Hell CCP get some ppl having hard times when the ecomimic plumming a project internship.
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: O Thief All most people are asking, is for the forums to be moderated effectively, so they're not just a crude extension of SA.
I'm not 12. I don't find reading endless pages of memes and circular trolling 'fun'.
Indeed.
But the question is, how can this be achieved?
There is this idea that I'm drafting up for the assembly hall:
*** Ingame corp interface: Create a spokesperson position that gives a 'can post on CAOD' ability
Additional rules: - Costs 25m to appoint or change a spokesperson - 1 spokesperson per 50 members in corp other than CEO (CEO can always post)
Ok, now for some off the wall ideas:
Other rule for CAOD: - You cannot post on CAOD if you have less than 50m isk in your wallet - 50m isk fine to the poster if get moderated on CAOD - Increased severity or frequency of offenses = bans ***
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: O Thief All most people are asking, is for the forums to be moderated effectively, so they're not just a crude extension of SA.
I'm not 12. I don't find reading endless pages of memes and circular trolling 'fun'.
Indeed.
But the question is, how can this be achieved?
Heavy moderation.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Additional rules: - Costs 25m to appoint or change a spokesperson - 1 spokesperson per 50 members in corp other than CEO (CEO can always post)
That would simply make CAOD an elitist enclave, which in my view would not be a good thing.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: O Thief All most people are asking, is for the forums to be moderated effectively, so they're not just a crude extension of SA.
I'm not 12. I don't find reading endless pages of memes and circular trolling 'fun'.
Indeed.
But the question is, how can this be achieved?
Heavy moderation.
Only one character per account should be given the right to post on CAOD. Plus heavy moderation. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion
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Kyrie Elaison
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:11:00 -
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If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrie Elaison If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
Lol, for goons to ****post in it ? I think not... look at my thread that was just locked... goon spew in it after 2min! ________________ Dark Angel Battalion
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James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: James Duar on 04/03/2009 12:15:21 Out of interest, why did CCP kill off the CAO Summit forum? Which was essentially announcements and corp roleplay of the type most people seem to be dreaming of here.
EDIT: I suspect the answer is "because it was under used because people wanted to go troll in CAOD".
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Kyrie Elaison
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
Lol, for goons to ****post in it ? I think not... look at my thread that was just locked... goon spew in it after 2min!
Trap sprung. If you're just going to whine and not actually do anything, you're contributing to the trollfest you're so busy bemoaning. Either fish or cut bait.
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar Edited by: James Duar on 04/03/2009 12:15:21 Out of interest, why did CCP kill off the CAO Summit forum? Which was essentially announcements and corp roleplay of the type most people seem to be dreaming of here.
EDIT: I suspect the answer is "because it was under used because people wanted to go troll in CAOD".
You cannot compare role-play with Discussing political situations. ________________ Dark Angel Battalion
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrie Elaison
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
Lol, for goons to ****post in it ? I think not... look at my thread that was just locked... goon spew in it after 2min!
Trap sprung. If you're just going to whine and not actually do anything, you're contributing to the trollfest you're so busy bemoaning. Either fish or cut bait.
Its quite hilarious the only people defending how CAOD is at the moment are Goons or the main participants who ****post.
As for trap sprung, im sorry young-un but iv stood on things far more intelligent than you on this forums, try again. I was going to come back at you saying something along the lines of 'practice what you preach' but there's really no point... you are here for one reason, and that is quite simply to be a goon...
Aneu ________________ Dark Angel Battalion
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Deldrac
Gallente Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:42:00 -
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What the OP ignores, is that even without goon terrible posting, caod was always a pointless den of hurf blurf stupidity.
It never contained valuable posts, it was always just people feeding their own ego, you could never have got a reasonable picture of 0.0 from it. Goon and INTERNET posting is just more honest about this.
If you want to understand what is going on in 0.0, ask your alliance, and your allies. If you are based in empire, stop doing that and join a 0.0 alliance.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente The Par0xysm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrie Elaison
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
Lol, for goons to ****post in it ? I think not... look at my thread that was just locked... goon spew in it after 2min!
Trap sprung. If you're just going to whine and not actually do anything, you're contributing to the trollfest you're so busy bemoaning. Either fish or cut bait.
Virtually every thread that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Goons that's offered up in CAOD very quickly gets ****ted up courtesy of those very same Goons.
If you're a smaller alliance and announce a standing reset for example and look at how quickly those hairy bastards haul their arses out from under the bridge.
If CCP want to sort out CAOD they'll have to moderate it more heavily than they are now because right now its a parade ground for **** posts.
And yeah, just thought I'd add to the smell .
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrie Elaison If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
I can only assume this is a troll, because any thread on this forum, irrespective of content, get filled with ****posting from your alliance or certain well known alt corps created specifically for posting here.
That is precisely why people don't even bother anymore. The question is if the majority of people who don't pay to ****post on forums (unlike yourself) want a readable political forum about in-game events.
And, well, most of us do. But most people don't have the time or patience to wade through the endless memes and trolling.
As I've said before, this forum needs effective moderation or it should just close. You have a perfectly good forum you pay $10 a month to ****post on, you won't be lacking if you are denied the right here.
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison If you guys were serious about "fixing" this forum instead of just whining about the good old days, you could try posting your version of constructive content. Just a thought.
I can only assume this is a troll, because any thread on this forum, irrespective of content, get filled with ****posting from your alliance or certain well known alt corps created specifically for posting here.
That is precisely why people don't even bother anymore. The question is if the majority of people who don't pay to ****post on forums (unlike yourself) want a readable political forum about in-game events.
And, well, most of us do. But most people don't have the time or patience to wade through the endless memes and trolling.
As I've said before, this forum needs effective moderation or it should just close. You have a perfectly good forum you pay $10 a month to ****post on, you won't be lacking if you are denied the right here.
Fully agreed, thumbs up and basically explains the situation totally.
Cheers Aneu ________________ Dark Angel Battalion
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake But the question is, how can this be achieved?
The first thing to realize is that it will require some kind of technical fix at this point. Those simply calling for people's "posting-restraint" or "better moderation" are fooling themselves if they believe it is possible to control CAOD in the current environment in such ways.
Best analogy really is a forum under attack from those weird posting-bot things that happen from to time. Sure as an admin you can individually delete all the posts about russian-wives, viagra or phishing scams - but eventually they come in so thick and fast that you have to simply change the rules of your forum and ban anonymous posting and require captcha and email verification for sign-ups. This is necessary to ensure that the honest users of your forum can read meaningful posts and aren't submerged in a wave of automatically generated spam.
Eve community management doesn't need to spend the majority of their day removing memes and one-liner insults and flames. If they have to do that then it means they aren't allowed the time to positively engage with the community, maintain and promote new community resources and stickies, and generally improve the player experience of the forums. People need to realize that expecting moderators to be full time kindergarten personnel has a knock-on effect of damaging their ability to be anything else.
And with regard to the "solve it by posting more content yourselves" argument - sorry, it just doesn't work. You can't deal with an infestation of spam-bots by posting quality threads against them. The spam-bots don't get bored, they don't get tired, they don't suddenly realize where they've been going wrong in their life thus far. They are like mini posting terminators and you cannot deal with the problem on the individual level.
Quality content will not be posted until quality posters are convinced its worth their time to bother. They won't be convinced of this until they see quality threads and contribution appreciated and respected. Until the problem of spam-invasion and mindless meme posting is dealt with there won't be an environment of quality to encourage new posting.
With regard to the "CAOD has always been a cesspool its the natural state" argument - thats simply untrue. CAOD has always been a cauldron of politics and propaganda where the passions and high spirits meant that quality posts existed alongside a degree of flames and meltdowns and such - but it was never as totally incapable of supporting intelligent life as it is today. Simply look back through the history of the forum and see for yourselves is the fairest thing to say.
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So what can be done about it?
1. Make it a forum that you have to apply on behalf of your corporation or alliance for posting rights here. Make that application something the moderation team can exercise discretion on. This will allow good long term posters like Mitchman of omniscient order to post but would still bar obvious alt posting outfits like THE INTERNET. This would also prevent all new alt posting entities since the moderators could do a little due diligence and look them up in game.
2. Introduce collective responsibility. On CAOD each entity should have its own copybook of warnings. Too many and it loses its CAOD privileges for a period and will need to re-apply for posting rights at the end of suspension. This will punish organizations that encourage their members to post spam and personal attacks and bring nothing to the forum. It will be self policing - eventually organizations that want to do propaganda will learn to do it within the forum rules.
3. Future possibilities. Make CAOD posting a corporate role - allow ceo's to control who has that access. CAOD should not be a universal right to all players, only to those prepared to represent their organization within the rules of the forum.
Result? Massive improvement without overloading the moderators
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C4w3
Minmatar Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake But the question is, how can this be achieved?
Wall of text....
Signed notting more to say ideas are quality AAA+ ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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NereSky
Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:12:00 -
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Totally agree with Jade, nice post btw as always :)
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James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: James Duar on 04/03/2009 13:13:08
Originally by: Jade Constantine WALL OF TEXT
I don't really know who you are, I also skipped to the end of your post:
why would this not just be another forum on EVEO, and one no one would read much like the old summit forum.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Additional rules: - Costs 25m to appoint or change a spokesperson - 1 spokesperson per 50 members in corp other than CEO (CEO can always post)
That would simply make CAOD an elitist enclave, which in my view would not be a good thing.
I do agree that it might make CAOD 'elitist', but I think this is perfectly consistent with the forum description:
"From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases û this is the in-character political center for all things corporate."
Such posts are made by corp representatives. If we are to consider it to be an in-character political center, what place does a grunt have in making an unsolicited thread? In my opinion, unless they are the CEO or an appointed representative, they have no place in making statements on behalf of their corporation. They could always discuss the matter in Eve General discussion if they needed to urgently get something out.
I think there is a strong prima facie for 25m isk in wallet rule.
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Jade's usual wall-o-text
Its much easier than that, restricting people in that fashion would not be of benefit, people want to defend their alliances e-honour and what not so... I propose.
1 SINGLE character per account gets the privilege to access CAOD. CAOD has more moderation, but having a single character it enforces the ability to moderate since if that character is banned, you loose ALL your rights to post on CAOD.
Aneu
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Berious
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Additional rules: - Costs 25m to appoint or change a spokesperson - 1 spokesperson per 50 members in corp other than CEO (CEO can always post)
That would simply make CAOD an elitist enclave, which in my view would not be a good thing.
I do agree that it might make CAOD 'elitist', but I think this is perfectly consistent with the forum description:
"From political conflicts to battle reports, news, and corporation press releases – this is the in-character political center for all things corporate."
Such posts are made by corp representatives. If we are to consider it to be an in-character political center, what place does a grunt have in making an unsolicited thread? In my opinion, unless they are the CEO or an appointed representative, they have no place in making statements on behalf of their corporation. They could always discuss the matter in Eve General discussion if they needed to urgently get something out.
I think there is a strong prima facie for 25m isk in wallet rule.
Following and talking about the locker room politics of Eve makes the game more fun. It can already feel like only CEOs or alliance leaders get the full metagame experience and now you propose to make all the alliance drones sit passively and read press releases? That doesn't sound like an improvement at all.
Make another forum for that. Could call it "Pretty banners and crap no one will read".
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