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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:30:00 -
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Skill certificates was a fantastic idea horribly implemented. Poorly thought out cert requirements make the certificates useless for planning beyond the most basic levels. (multitasking as a core skill -WTF?)
I propose that the Certificate requirements be revised by the players, or to be specific, CSM. Even if they don't get everything just right, it would be hard to make them any worse.
Again, this was a fantastic idea and it would be a shame to just let it die.
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NightF0x
Gallente Intergalactic League of Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.03.01 20:35:00 -
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TBH, the cert system should just be scrapped. It is horribly useless because none of the skills make sense and not all are required for items/ships or modules. ------------------------------------
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Yamato Gasaraki
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:10:00 -
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That Cert System was/is a cool Idea for those who'd like to Buy a Char or two, but for the Rest it's another Feature unused.
And the "Planer" doesn't even deserve that Name - maybe with the Queue, but I doubt it.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:27:00 -
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I hope with the next patch the Certificates are quietly removed from the game and never spoken of again. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Trabber Shir
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.01 22:51:00 -
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I mostly agree with fixing the certs. However, I would rather see them changed to something that can be set up by corporations as guidelines to their members or viewable by the public. Very similar to the ship fittings that they are releasing with apocrypha.
If they try to fix them by having the devs make a bunch of new ones the only way to get them right would be to make alot more. Currently they are too coarse is a large part of their problem. Also the next major nerf or buff will make them all obsolete again. In fact, the missile certs would have been descent pre QR but the release of QR made them obsolete.
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Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.02 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Trent Nichols on 02/03/2009 12:20:59 Thanks for responding. It sounds like most of your issues are with the implementation of certificates and not the idea itself.
So let me ask you this: If the certificate requirements made sense enough to be useful guidelines for new pilots, do you think certificates would be a good or bad thing for Eve?
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols Skill certificates was a fantastic idea horribly implemented.
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Yamato Gasaraki
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Trent Nichols Edited by: Trent Nichols on 02/03/2009 12:20:59So let me ask you this: If the certificate requirements made sense enough to be useful guidelines for new pilots, do you think certificates would be a good or bad thing for Eve?
Definitely a good Idea, but someone inthe Dev Dptm. grouped them horribly wrong. i.E. the frowned Multitasking for Core Competency.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:41:00 -
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I like much certificated, but it's quite obvious that some show skills you'll never ever get to 5. Look at the drone certificates, they are already horribly hard to attain at (under elite, what was it? improved?) level, there are some pre-requisites that are over the top.
I think it would be good to study what well skilled people trained and to make that really the sub-top level. Also, in the elite, they shouldn't ask all at lvl 5 every time : when you have all at level 5, you should have all elite certificates, but there should be elite certificates that that do not require all level 5, but that would represent the top level 99% of players will achieve (very few are the people who train the specializations to 5 in the drones for example, they should have a separate elite certificate, not be in the mainstream one (drone control?).
I really like the certificate system, but it would be good to review many of them to better show the efficiency of a pilot in a domain and not just lvl 5 skills e-peen. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! |
Ichiro Sanchas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 18:16:00 -
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Certificates were and are a great idea for new players like myself, but I have to agree that many of them suffer from ridiculous requirements. A goodly number of the certificates seem to have been put together by people who have never played a single minute of EVE.
My current favorite is the Common Ore Refiner (Basic) certificate. This Basic certificate requires that the holder first have the Refinery Foreman (Standard) certificate. That certificate initially appears to have very modest requirements, including Refinery Efficiency 1 and Metallurgy 2. But it also requires that you have Scrapmetal Processing 2. To even *train* in Scrapmetal Processing, you need Refinery Efficiency 5 and Metallurgy 5! As a result, the instant you can claim the Refinery Foreman (Standard) certificate, you're only four to five days (Scrapmetal Processing 3 and 4) from also being able to claim the Refinery Foreman (Improved) certificate. It also means that for a beginning mining specialist character like mine, claiming the Common Ore Refiner (Basic) certificate requires more than two months of dedicated training, including three weeks each to get Refinery Efficiency and Metallurgy both to L5. At that level, neither skill seems all that particularly useful or relevant for a starting mining character in high-sec space.
I petitioned about this and was told it was working as designed.
So, even though my character refines common ores every day and has 100% efficiency with all of them in 50% stations, he does not hold the Common Ore Refiner (Basic) certificate, and probably will not hold this certificate for a long, long time.
All that said, many of the certificates have been useful to me in pointing out support skills that I otherwise would have missed. The gunnery and missile certificate trees seem particularly well thought-out. But I agree that many (most) of the other current certificates need a major revamp.
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