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SpiderWebMayhem
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Posted - 2009.02.27 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: SpiderWebMayhem on 27/02/2009 22:04:21
Originally by: Ricdic Use an alt next time
Haha, I'll take this advice to heart
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Jennine Tyler
NewDawn
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Posted - 2009.02.27 22:54:00 -
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This is a shame, I would have liked to take a punt for a few iskies.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.27 23:34:00 -
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If people want to invest talk to the OP. Maybe there is enough investment potential to get this off the ground.
Ignore all the grumpy all gits like me/Ric/eValF/Kazzac.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.02.28 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Edited by: SpiderWebMayhem on 27/02/2009 21:28:54
Originally by: eVaLF
So that would not be a PR Statement? HOw about read what I bolded and see if you can figure out what you did wrong. You don't even realize Super Caps cant be docked which tells me more than I need to know about your IPO Launch. And again not arguing if ken/bob have items locked down, its a fact they do, but to say they can never launch an attack because "ALL" there assets are locked down is just stupid and nothing more than a Political Statment that should have never even been mentioned in this thread, but your fellow alliance mates kinda screwed you on that one and then your continueance to argue about Super Caps being "DOCKED" inside the station tell me even more.
Oh for christ's sake. Read what I wrote, bolded for you this time:
Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem
This, too, is a fact. I can provide a screenshot of the bubbles around the PR- station and ex-POS', as well as the camp around it. There are more than a handful of caps and supercaps docked inside.
Ie. We have bubbles around both the PR- station and where OLD PR-POSes USED TO BE, which is where supercaps are parked. Read before trolling.
A) I never said anything about "ALL" their assets. I said "mostly" and "more than a handful". Period, check my posts if you don't believe me. B) I never said they couldn't launch an attack. Infact, I explicitly spelled out an exit strategy in the event GF does lose Delve. C) You never addressed your incorrect allegation regarding my editing of posts. D) Fine, I get it, you don't want to invest. Say that and move on.
I now believe this is why Sophie said a MD IPO would never work. Some people are too blinded by their hate/bitterness/rage at GoonFleet to discuss the IPO in a rational manner.
Thanks to everyone else who offered feedback (even negative feedback stating this IPO was too risky) in a constructive fashion instead of blatantly trolling.
I'm no longer responding to any trolling. Sorry for taking this off-topic (although it's canceled, so i guess the thread is fair game)
And go read the part I bolded. You said Capitals and Supercapitals Docked, not left in space but anyway.
1) As I stated go look at your friends post 2) That was all that was needing posting not all the other garbage. 3) Actually I did, you should read a few posts back, it was another Goon in this thread that made the comment not you, and I appologized for it somewhat 4) I prefer to discuss this more.
As stated above me you have well over half the IPO Sold why are you not going with the plan? YOu upset because a few people dont like it? Or is it some of these buyers are alts? So far using Eve Search I have found only one person that has bought shares before your thread, which could be great maybe yoru brining more people to MD, or maybe it was fake bidding to get others bidding, either way it has not been 24hrs and your half sold out but quiting, so what happens when things get tuff for your IPO again? -----
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SpiderWebMayhem
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Posted - 2009.02.28 00:26:00 -
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Semantics then regarding the caps/supercaps. Sorry for not being more explicit. Several reasons for stopping now and restarting later:
1) Private advice from Sophie. I trust Sophie's opinion greatly and am listening.
2) This IPO plan required two main components - Freighter pilot and excess capital for minerals. It is useless without both. If I have half the capital I need, a freighter pilot is useless without the minerals to compress. Alternatively, if I can purchase the minerals but no fast way to move them, equally worthless. I said at the beginning it was all or nothing.
3) There has been much heartache and agony over this thread in just 24 hours. I prefer to start my first public offering in a smoother, less controversial manner. Waiting until I have more credibility can do nothing but help me. Patience is an important asset in business, no?
4) I'm making good profits currently, and I get to keep all them for myself. The IPO was merely to expand my business faster than it is currently growing. I can wait. Again, patience.
5) Several auditors have already posted saying they won't touch this IPO, which I respect. But until I find an auditor, this IPO isn't going anywhere.
Those aren't my alts nor do I know who they are or if they are real characters. I wouldn't resort to fake posting bids, that is probably the fastest way to sink an IPO. I may be a goon but I'm not dumb. Regulars to MD would see right through it.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau Someone link it to him so we can just let this thread die the quiet death it deserves.
If you mean link it to me, I was actually present for that thread - though perhaps posting under a different name, I don't recall. I probably should've laid my post out a bit more clearly as to whom I was trying to address my comments towards (principally SpiderWebMayhem for a fresh perspective) as I know you've heard it all before because of that thread you mention. My bad, as I was posting so very, very late in the evening that it had become very, very early in the morning.
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Togen Lei
Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.28 07:25:00 -
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A one of the potential investors in this IPO (before cancellation) I would just like to assure eVaLF that although I do not post heavily in any forum this does not make me an alt.
Yes I am a young char, but this again does not make me an alt. Why would I invest in a Goon IPO!?! I must be a goon alt or such a noob that I just want to toss my isk away right? Wrong, I read the offering, and the OP had a very clean layout including facts that he knew would get his IPO frowned upon. Yes it would have been a risky venture, and it could have easily been a scam, but as Cosmoray so helpfully points out in the new investor sticky....never invest what you can't afford to lose. If I got scammed so be it, Eve is about weighing risk vs reward, and this IPO had a high dose of each. Do I trust the OP not to be a scammer? Nope, but neither am I in a position to label him as a scammer simply because of his alliance.
I was under the impression that the MD forums were a political neutral zone, I see I was mistaken, another lesson learned for a new player.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Togen Lei I was under the impression that the MD forums were a political neutral zone, I see I was mistaken, another lesson learned for a new player.
Politics and money will always impact upon one another when both are present in force, believing anything else is naive.
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Togen Lei
Gallente Abyssal Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.28 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Togen Lei I was under the impression that the MD forums were a political neutral zone, I see I was mistaken, another lesson learned for a new player.
Politics and money will always impact upon one another when both are present in force, believing anything else is naive.
True, but money should drive the politics, not the other way around.
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Nick Turing
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Posted - 2009.02.28 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Togen Lei A one of the potential investors in this IPO (before cancellation) I would just like to assure eVaLF that although I do not post heavily in any forum this does not make me an alt.
Yes I am a young char, but this again does not make me an alt. Why would I invest in a Goon IPO!?! I must be a goon alt or such a noob that I just want to toss my isk away right? Wrong, I read the offering, and the OP had a very clean layout including facts that he knew would get his IPO frowned upon. Yes it would have been a risky venture, and it could have easily been a scam, but as Cosmoray so helpfully points out in the new investor sticky....never invest what you can't afford to lose. If I got scammed so be it, Eve is about weighing risk vs reward, and this IPO had a high dose of each. Do I trust the OP not to be a scammer? Nope, but neither am I in a position to label him as a scammer simply because of his alliance.
I was under the impression that the MD forums were a political neutral zone, I see I was mistaken, another lesson learned for a new player.
+1. Very well said, and exactly how I feel about the IPO, too.
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Caladain Barton
Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2009.02.28 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Turing
+1. Very well said, and exactly how I feel about the IPO, too.
My impression as well. I have lurked for a while on these boards, reading, learning..
My impression was that the MD was a place for cold, hard calculation, rampant paranoia, and distrusting everyone equally (in other words, not at all).
I dunno. MD always encourages people to be above the board..and yet, we're telling the Goon that no, telling us that your main in this IPO is a goon is a bad thing and he should next time hide behind an alt is a good thing?
Forget that! I'd much rather know the risk upfront and going in, the success or failure rate of low-sec IPO's or political affiliations aside. Am i just crazy?
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.02.28 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Caladain Barton
Originally by: Nick Turing
+1. Very well said, and exactly how I feel about the IPO, too.
My impression as well. I have lurked for a while on these boards, reading, learning..
My impression was that the MD was a place for cold, hard calculation, rampant paranoia, and distrusting everyone equally (in other words, not at all).
I dunno. MD always encourages people to be above the board..and yet, we're telling the Goon that no, telling us that your main in this IPO is a goon is a bad thing and he should next time hide behind an alt is a good thing?
Forget that! I'd much rather know the risk upfront and going in, the success or failure rate of low-sec IPO's or political affiliations aside. Am i just crazy?
There are 2 exceptions for people to see all equal:
- An allready known scammer or someone who is in a corp known for it's scamming - Pirates , basically because they usually fall in the first category
Goons are known for being scammer and griefers so yes it DOES matter that the OP is in goons.If my CEO had an IPO offer and ran of with the isk , do you think if i come in here a few days later and ask for investors no one would start doubting of my honesty?
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Kitchie
Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:23:00 -
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I do agree that, generally speaking, Goons are ethically challenged but it would be a sad reflection on the Eve player base if all 5,500 of them are griefers/scammers.
BoB had some issues as well (though more on the cheating side) and you'll probably find that a large number of Goons are purely there for the chance to smack Bob (RIP).
Have MD just denied Goonswarm the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves and become responsible members of the community? (Why does that statement sound so preposterous?)
Seriously though, the OP NEEDS to be a member of Goonfleet for his business to function and make the kind of return that was looking possible. But he was damned if he was and he's damned if he isn't. A lose/lose situation that I'm not convinced was justified.
As he has now been unceremoniously driven off, I guess it's all academic and we'll never know.......
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.02.28 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kitchie I do agree that, generally speaking, Goons are ethically challenged but it would be a sad reflection on the Eve player base if all 5,500 of them are griefers/scammers.
BoB had some issues as well (though more on the cheating side) and you'll probably find that a large number of Goons are purely there for the chance to smack Bob (RIP).
Have MD just denied Goonswarm the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves and become responsible members of the community? (Why does that statement sound so preposterous?)
Seriously though, the OP NEEDS to be a member of Goonfleet for his business to function and make the kind of return that was looking possible. But he was damned if he was and he's damned if he isn't. A lose/lose situation that I'm not convinced was justified.
As he has now been unceremoniously driven off, I guess it's all academic and we'll never know.......
No one says he is a scammer , however seeing the reputation goons have people will see this as a bigger potential scam then say someone from most other alliances.He is in an alliance he choose himself.He knows the reputation that alliance has to the general public (at least i might hope most goons know how they are viewed by a large part of empire people) and as he said himself he knew from the start that wearing that banner in here will give his chance of getting a large sum invested would be hard.
There is a reason people have doubts about this and it is not right to blaim the investors themselves but his own corpmates who have given goons the name it has today.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Joss Sparq on 28/02/2009 12:32:59
Originally by: Kitchie Have MD just denied Goonswarm the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves and become responsible members of the community? (Why does that statement sound so preposterous?)
It sounds preposterous because to be fair and grant the benefit of the doubt that the IPO wasn't going to be a scam and that it was even going to be a financial success it would just be one tiny little drop of hope in a veritable ocean of contemptible slime.
Originally by: Kitchie Seriously though, the OP NEEDS to be a member of Goonfleet for his business to function and make the kind of return that was looking possible. But he was damned if he was and he's damned if he isn't. A lose/lose situation that I'm not convinced was justified.
Then maybe the OP should have raised his capital from within the Swarm and not on MD. I also think that if his business didn't need his specific Swarm connections to operate I still doubt he'd have gotten a vastly different reaction, the OP being in Goonswarm wasn't a lonely issue - just one of the easiest to flag.
Originally by: Kitchie As he has now been unceremoniously driven off, I guess it's all academic and we'll never know.
That is a load of steaming crap, the OP wasn't driven off "unceremoniously" as you put it at all: MD contributors made comments on what they were reading, they raised their concerns and they asked questions of the OP - just like they do with just about any other proposition found here.
Just because people have made an issue of who the OP associates with - in a field which involves a large degree of building trust and nurturing credibility between members - doesn't need to imply MD is filled with howling banshees.
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Kitchie
Gallente Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.28 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Kitchie As he has now been unceremoniously driven off, I guess it's all academic and we'll never know.
That is a load of steaming crap, the OP wasn't driven off "unceremoniously" as you put it at all: MD contributors made comments on what they were reading, they raised their concerns and they asked questions of the OP - just like they do with just about any other proposition found here.
Just because people have made an issue of who the OP associates with - in a field which involves a large degree of building trust and nurturing credibility between members - doesn't need to imply MD is filled with howling banshees.
I'm sorry, that statement of mine wasn't fair - it was kind of tougue in cheek but didn't come across right.
The OP did have some people saying they were willing to invest and, at the end of the day, he could have carried on and raised some capital, even if not the total amount he was looking for. Two things stopped it: 1) Sophie and 2) no willing auditor.
It sparked my interest, maybe because of its contentiousness, and it just fizzled out a little earlier than my curiosity would have liked. Damn I was even starting to think of a Goon as the underdog! Reality check...
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:18:00 -
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I suppose I shall let you live ... for now
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec
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Posted - 2009.02.28 15:00:00 -
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Commendable for Spider to do this openly..
I must however agree w some of the other posters.. This operation should have been done undercover, ie Goons should use a legit branch of their operations.
Hell as far as I can tell Spider should have been their appointed legit branch..
I think it only natural that MDs would act all legit and lawfull.. They are simply doing as they would in RL, dont spoil your rep by being involved in to shady dealings..
Hope your bringing some new opertunities in the future Spider..
If nothing else this was an interesting read.. educational to me at least..
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SpiderWebMayhem
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
Hope your bringing some new opertunities in the future Spider..
Don't worry, I'm sure I'll be back. I have acquired a private business partner from within GoonFleet. He brings several important items to the table (freighter, capital, time/manpower) that will be an excellent addition. Depending on our feelings in a month or so (I'll need to talk over a public IPO with him, now that we are partners) we may be back with an offering.
I would also like to start posting business finance reports, if that is also cleared by my partner. So keep an eye out for those.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.28 17:34:00 -
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Been watching this thread and despite everyone hating the goons, only reason I didn't get near to this thread was that it was low-sec. Simple as that.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.02.28 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kitchie no willing auditor.
No one, to my knowledge, was seriously asked to be auditor. I know I wasn't.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.28 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Kitchie no willing auditor.
No one, to my knowledge, was seriously asked to be auditor. I know I wasn't.
Informally in the thread I guess I'd be the only one.
Truth be told, we here at MD are mostly politically neutral. When situations arise that we cannot be politically neutral we tend to take the moral high ground and excuse ourselves from things. |
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