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Atropos Kahn
Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:03:00 -
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I have been beating around 0.0 for almost 4 years now... participating in the constant battle for moons, sytems, and whole regions of space. I have partaken in many a victory as well as defeat and slaughter. I have lost it all just to gain it all and lose it all again. You veteran pilots know the story, we all share it. And it will continue to be this way untill I quit the game, or CCP closes up shop. Kill or be Killed.
I wonder though, does all this fighting to conquer and re-conquer space have an everlasting effect on our RL psyche. All the epicness that EVE brings.. The drama that we create for ourselves concerning Goons, Bob, or whoever can be traced to similar epicness in our own RL histories, like the Romans, Persians, or Greeks. We are all playing it all out again in VR. It is grand and it is full of awesomeness and such. But does it effect you outside the game. CCP talks about how EVE is more of a web 2.0 social network rather than a game, but I am begining to notice that the stakes are getting ever higher. With the crash of the BOB alliance as the most recent epicness to cross our history, has more than towers been lost? Have relationships and social norms that have been entrenched for years and suddenly lost effect our RL that we had not anticipated. There is a lot of personal investment that each of us make into our VL lives in EVE, but more so into our corps and alliance mates. Can these sudden losses and gains give us post tramatic stress? With that same thought though, maybe that is why people like Chirbba and things like mining is so appealing to some in the end, even if for a short while. Sort of an escape from the constant waring. I don't know. I wanted to just throw it out there considering we will all most likely be playing for a long time to come.
And since I know how COAD treats it's posters... let the fail cascading responses commence!
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VCBee2888
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:04:00 -
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don't get mad at vidya games |
Fat Ducker
Amarr Lucky Hydra Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: VCBee2888 don't get mad at vidya games
Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.
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Courthouse
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888 don't get mad at vidya games
Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.
I wonder if irony had any part to play in that, like if we were reposting BoB posts from 2006 with specific names changed...
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Harry Besebes
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Courthouse
Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888 don't get mad at vidya games
Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.
I wonder if irony had any part to play in that, like if we were reposting BoB posts from 2006 with specific names changed...
Stop fakeposting.
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O Thief
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.25 21:46:00 -
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Its actually an interesting point.
Many people lead crushingly dull lives.
Many people suffer from depression.
Many people actively seek escapism.
Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.
Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.
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suicide
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.02.25 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: suicide on 25/02/2009 22:01:37 IRON are not allowed to post on COAD, but I would notice that this posting is far too sensible, non-partisan, and interesting to show up here. Perhaps moving this to a more sane category would get more mileage.
That being said here is my reply:
I view EVE as a bit of a flight simulator for RL. You mention that the drama that plays out is very similar to the rise and fall of various societies. Well that is because EVE is played by real people. Many of the same things apply to EVE that apply to real life. Perhaps the timescale is faster, perhaps the markets are a bit wilder (actually may not :) ).
A lot of the foundations for society, militaries, and leadership, and corporate structures come from RL. The archetypes are quite similar. Feelings will be hurt, having 6 months (or 3 years) of work getting wiped off the map by the Mongolian Hordes who are out for a laugh is really really ****ing annoying.
It is my belief that EVE has changed the people who play it. Giving them a chance to be in a position of power, exposing them to unbuffered agression from enemies, with nobody but their allies to go running to. It requires good RL skills to be successful in an organization involving people. Hopefully it won't be damaging and that it will be enlightening.
On a personal note, the striving for money and power and wealth is really quite pointless isn't it. Maybe we should all be focus on loving and caring for each other and focus on having fun. Alas, combat is sooo much fun!! The human condition continues....
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
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Posted - 2009.02.25 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief
Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.
What in the 4 posts above yours gave you that impression???
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Archdart
Caldari Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.25 22:02:00 -
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these thread will soon be closed as it is not constructive, you wait and see. Lots of good points here though . I would say if people play the game for a few hours a day they will probably be OK those that invest huge amount of time are going to be the ones to suffer like anyone who is addicted to anything it detracts from their ability or even desire to deal with anything else.
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The ChurchWarden
Amarr The Nightwatch Nightwatchers
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Posted - 2009.02.25 22:06:00 -
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ya, I don't think we can suffer an actual disorder unless someone is so tied to the game that they suffer a psychological blow. But in those cases it's probably the closest human interaction they've ever felt. Still I will say that the majority of eve players are not the common individual.
I would say that EvE players all share the desire to be challanged. EvE has never been the game for the faint of heart and even the most newbly carebear, hardcore pvper, failure alliance all have something in common. They choose one of the most challenging and time consuming MMO's on the market. The only MMO I can even imagine coming close to actually requiring your time is Lineage II which is also a highly pvp oriented game.
Plus lets be honest, we're all waiting for EvE to create matrix like head jacks. If your not then your either squeamish of jacking into a computer or you need to go watch the matrix.
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Archdart
Caldari Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.25 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: The ChurchWarden ya, I don't think we can suffer an actual disorder unless someone is so tied to the game that they suffer a psychological blow. But in those cases it's probably the closest human interaction they've ever felt. Still I will say that the majority of eve players are not the common individual.
I would say that EvE players all share the desire to be challanged. EvE has never been the game for the faint of heart and even the most newbly carebear, hardcore pvper, failure alliance all have something in common. They choose one of the most challenging and time consuming MMO's on the market. The only MMO I can even imagine coming close to actually requiring your time is Lineage II which is also a highly pvp oriented game.
Plus lets be honest, we're all waiting for EvE to create matrix like head jacks. If your not then your either squeamish of jacking into a computer or you need to go watch the matrix.
"head jacks' 'jacking into a computer' could perhaps have been phrased differently, you think.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.25 22:18:00 -
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Yes, often I compare myself to various important historical events. It gives me a sense of importance that I do not have in the real world.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Haradgrim
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.25 23:41:00 -
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put the keyboard down and step away from the computer! --
Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Fortiter
Gallente Kurtz's Kommandos
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Posted - 2009.02.25 23:48:00 -
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You spelled traumatic wrong
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.02.25 23:53:00 -
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People call my fleets suicide ops; I cut myself
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Dark Sidhe
Minmatar Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2009.02.26 00:04:00 -
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The crazy thing is that my RL is crazy busy. Like many, I have kids, a wife etc. Squeezing time out for EvE can be stressful itself. However, shooting up folks is a kind of stress reliever, sick as it may sound. There have been times where I've been bummed if things go to **it in-game but then I remember....
It's just a game. -------------------------------
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Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.26 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief Its actually an interesting point.
Many people lead crushingly dull lives.
Many people suffer from depression.
Many people actively seek escapism.
Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.
Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.
...guess thats required to be in Goonfail
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James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief Its actually an interesting point.
Many people lead crushingly dull lives.
Many people suffer from depression.
Many people actively seek escapism.
Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.
Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.
I have a sports car and a kickboxing girlfriend and I go to gym all the time.
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Stevobob
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: O Thief Its actually an interesting point.
Many people lead crushingly dull lives.
Many people suffer from depression.
Many people actively seek escapism.
Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.
Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.
I have a sports car and a kickboxing girlfriend and I go to gym all the time.
I drive a Neon, have a realdoll and sweat when lifting my fork. Does this count?
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Cindy McCain
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 03:07:00 -
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Much like Cleopatra VII I hope to one day commit suicide via an Asp bite.
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Talancir D'Landior
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Atropos Kahn I have been beating around 0.0 for almost 4 years now... participating in the constant battle for moons, sytems, and whole regions of space. I have partaken in many a victory as well as defeat and slaughter. I have lost it all just to gain it all and lose it all again. You veteran pilots know the story, we all share it. And it will continue to be this way untill I quit the game, or CCP closes up shop. Kill or be Killed.
I wonder though, does all this fighting to conquer and re-conquer space have an everlasting effect on our RL psyche. All the epicness that EVE brings.. The drama that we create for ourselves concerning Goons, Bob, or whoever can be traced to similar epicness in our own RL histories, like the Romans, Persians, or Greeks. We are all playing it all out again in VR. It is grand and it is full of awesomeness and such. But does it effect you outside the game. CCP talks about how EVE is more of a web 2.0 social network rather than a game, but I am begining to notice that the stakes are getting ever higher. With the crash of the BOB alliance as the most recent epicness to cross our history, has more than towers been lost? Have relationships and social norms that have been entrenched for years and suddenly lost effect our RL that we had not anticipated. There is a lot of personal investment that each of us make into our VL lives in EVE, but more so into our corps and alliance mates. Can these sudden losses and gains give us post tramatic stress? With that same thought though, maybe that is why people like Chirbba and things like mining is so appealing to some in the end, even if for a short while. Sort of an escape from the constant waring. I don't know. I wanted to just throw it out there considering we will all most likely be playing for a long time to come.
And since I know how COAD treats it's posters... let the fail cascading responses commence!
You know, you're getting into a field of study that's still without concrete boundaries. PTSD, which is a blanket term, has a very instinctive "fight or flight" and emotionally connected orientation.
PTSD is also referred to as TBI, or Traumatic Brain Injury. I recall that you can get a TBI without physical impact, so while farfetched, your wondering isn't without justification. What with people being discouraged to play, to where when they get scammed in such a horrible manner that they lose all motivation to continue and quit, you can't help but wonder.
It could be in the same ballpark as those people who return from warzone, something happens to make them lose hope or faith that they'll be able to take whatever comes their way, then commit suicide.
Disclaimer: I just got back from Iraq not too long ago so I have an idea what I'm talking about. I've been getting damn reorientation classes about it.
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RynkarVertigo
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:32:00 -
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I have PTSD from having to listen to DBRB during every fleet op.
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Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888 don't get mad at vidya games
Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.
You're as dumb as a sack of rocks.
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Levaria
Gallente Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Talancir D'Landior
Originally by: Atropos Kahn I have been beating around 0.0 for almost 4 years now... participating in the constant battle for moons, sytems, and whole regions of space. I have partaken in many a victory as well as defeat and slaughter. I have lost it all just to gain it all and lose it all again. You veteran pilots know the story, we all share it. And it will continue to be this way untill I quit the game, or CCP closes up shop. Kill or be Killed.
I wonder though, does all this fighting to conquer and re-conquer space have an everlasting effect on our RL psyche. All the epicness that EVE brings.. The drama that we create for ourselves concerning Goons, Bob, or whoever can be traced to similar epicness in our own RL histories, like the Romans, Persians, or Greeks. We are all playing it all out again in VR. It is grand and it is full of awesomeness and such. But does it effect you outside the game. CCP talks about how EVE is more of a web 2.0 social network rather than a game, but I am begining to notice that the stakes are getting ever higher. With the crash of the BOB alliance as the most recent epicness to cross our history, has more than towers been lost? Have relationships and social norms that have been entrenched for years and suddenly lost effect our RL that we had not anticipated. There is a lot of personal investment that each of us make into our VL lives in EVE, but more so into our corps and alliance mates. Can these sudden losses and gains give us post tramatic stress? With that same thought though, maybe that is why people like Chirbba and things like mining is so appealing to some in the end, even if for a short while. Sort of an escape from the constant waring. I don't know. I wanted to just throw it out there considering we will all most likely be playing for a long time to come.
And since I know how COAD treats it's posters... let the fail cascading responses commence!
You know, you're getting into a field of study that's still without concrete boundaries. PTSD, which is a blanket term, has a very instinctive "fight or flight" and emotionally connected orientation.
PTSD is also referred to as TBI, or Traumatic Brain Injury. I recall that you can get a TBI without physical impact, so while farfetched, your wondering isn't without justification. What with people being discouraged to play, to where when they get scammed in such a horrible manner that they lose all motivation to continue and quit, you can't help but wonder.
It could be in the same ballpark as those people who return from warzone, something happens to make them lose hope or faith that they'll be able to take whatever comes their way, then commit suicide.
Disclaimer: I just got back from Iraq not too long ago so I have an idea what I'm talking about. I've been getting damn reorientation classes about it.
I figured since this isnt a typical CAOD flamebait omfgwtfbbqsauce post and is relevant to my past experiences i will post on here even though AXIOM is not allowed to troll CAOD. I came back from Iraq in April of 2008. It depends on just how seriously people take the game, I guess if you emotionally focus and develop yourself through the game via in game accomplishments and only measure success that way, then once you get scammed,cheated,taken over, etc... maybe something happens, maybe something doesnt. Im not brain expert so either way it can go. Ironically i played eve while i was in Iraq (I was stationed in southern Baghdad, lots of RL pew pew going on.) For me it was an outlet from real life patrols out in sector, raids, fire fights and seeing **** get ******-up and having some damn good friends and soldiers of mine make the ultimate sacrafice. Everyone had their little mental getaway in Iraq, playing Eve let me reconnect with my buddies back home and abroad and let off some steam, thats just my two cents.
~Pirates May Cry but Care Bears will die!~
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief Its actually an interesting point.
Many people lead crushingly dull lives.
Many people suffer from depression.
Many people actively seek escapism.
Many people are predisposed to addiction of any kind.
Since geekdom tends to be associated with comparative social isolation, it's no suprise that a great many EVE players are far from balanced human beings.
I'm a cage fighting marine biologist who flies helicopters
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VCBee2777
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fat Ducker
Originally by: VCBee2888 don't get mad at vidya games
Kinda funny coming from Goons who are the new queens of 'taking seriously', COAD bragging of their pvp prowess and cap blobs, and generally being like BoB of 2006.
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Alei Mulinitej
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:53:00 -
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jesus get a ****ing life, this is a ****ty internet spaceship mmo get over it
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:54:00 -
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just postin on caod you know the usual nbd
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:08:00 -
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when deadtear lost his titan to SMASH, that was our 9/11
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Alei Mulinitej
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:10:00 -
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but guys
bob being disbanded is just like apple disbanding microsoft
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