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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
Originally by: Troyd23
Edited by: Troyd23 on 21/02/2009 00:49:00
Or you know... just buy/sell plexs on the market?
This. WTF is wrong with you people?
I know what's wrong with them.
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.21 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Insa Rexion on 21/02/2009 08:24:40
Edited by: Insa Rexion on 21/02/2009 08:22:56
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Insa Rexion
I dunno what my opinion is on whether scamming plexes is right or wrong but I do know that your argument is wrong. Plexes are at least as physical as a digital copy of a song or software and these are deemed to have a RL monetary value. Plenty of people get arrested/fined for inappropriate use/distribution/selling/scams involving these items.
Yes, but those laws protect the actual owner of those products. In this case that would be CCP, since you chose to change your gametime code for in-game items. The laws are there to protect original works and and insure that people keep creating and inventing new things. CCP is the one who decides what the proper use of these items is and their word is final.
yes as I said in the very post you quoted "I dunno what my opinion is on whether scamming plexes is right or wrong" I was not making an argument for the point, just pointing out the stupidity of the guy's argument that "not physical" equated to "ok to steal or scam"....it clearly does not. Using just another Eve example, the GTC is not physical by his definition and yet CCP themselves prohibit GTC scams....that is all.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Plex = Bearer bond
Ye it's something like that. If i lose it, i lose something worth 15 US-$. If I lose it through deception it could be fraud.
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them usually, to obtain property or services.
Fraud can be committed through many methods, including mail, wire, phone, and the internet (computer crime and internet fraud). So if someone scams me for a plex, he (a real person) damages me (a real person) financially (for 15 $) - usually to obtain the service of 30 day gametime. That's fraud by definition. A crime such as fraud can't be waived or legalized by a third party EULA. In fact, since CCP offers a platform for others to commit fraud it is a "companion in crime" in that internet fraud. Helping fraudster to fraud will not go unpunished.
If someone would cheat me out of my plexes, i'd bring in a charge against the scammer and CCP and they'd get "aggroed" by a prosecutor, very simple.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Plex = Bearer bond
Ye it's something like that. If i lose it, i lose something worth 15 US-$. If I lose it through deception it could be fraud.
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them usually, to obtain property or services.
Fraud can be committed through many methods, including mail, wire, phone, and the internet (computer crime and internet fraud). So if someone scams me for a plex, he (a real person) damages me (a real person) financially (for 15 $) - usually to obtain the service of 30 day gametime. That's fraud by definition. A crime such as fraud can't be waived or legalized by a third party EULA. In fact, since CCP offers a platform for others to commit fraud it is a "companion in crime" in that internet fraud. Helping fraudster to fraud will not go unpunished.
If someone would cheat me out of my plexes, i'd bring in a charge against the scammer and CCP and they'd get "aggroed" by a prosecutor, very simple.
ITT: Internet lawyers 
Better stop playing EvE then, because a PLEX is an in-game item like a CNR, and scammable like a CNR.
If you don't like CCP's rules, no-one's forcing you to give them your money. It's not like CCP haven't made the rules perfectly clear or anything. As for your hilarious legal interpretation, perhaps you'd like to back it up with, oh, I don't know, actual precedent.
Because if you can't (you can't), and you're not a court judge in Iceland (you're not), your legal opinion is valueless (it is).
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:15:00 -
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Scamming is ok. But I feel CCP must do more towards the beginners in EVE who have no idea how to treat contracts. Just saw yesterday a 1 month old being scammed out of 2 (non-existent) plexes through a freeform contract.
It is in CCP's own interest as well because that could easily be the last straw for the beginning player to say bye-bye to EVE.
Originally by: AkRoYeR
...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die!
Best game ever!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:17:00 -
[36]
No. It si not alwoed. It is liek half reel and half faek creime.
I raelly feel asshame CCP is not doiging anyting. 
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them usually, to obtain property or services.
Fraud can be committed through many methods, including mail, wire, phone, and the internet (computer crime and internet fraud). So if someone scams me for a plex, he (a real person) damages me (a real person) financially (for 15 $) - usually to obtain the service of 30 day gametime. That's fraud by definition. A crime such as fraud can't be waived or legalized by a third party EULA. In fact, since CCP offers a platform for others to commit fraud it is a "companion in crime" in that internet fraud. Helping fraudster to fraud will not go unpunished.
If someone would cheat me out of my plexes, i'd bring in a charge against the scammer and CCP and they'd get "aggroed" by a prosecutor, very simple.
Okay, so if he used some trickery to get $15 from you, that may be fraud. However, with PLEXes, nothing of the sort is going on. You're getting internet credits with NO CASH VALUE which are ALL PROPERTY OF CCP from other people.
CCP could decide tomorrow to delete everything in game and you couldn't do a thing about it. What gives you a reason to believe that if players change some zeros and ones in CCP's database through dubious means that somehow constitutes fraud?
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
No. It si not alwoed. It is liek half reel and half faek creime.
I raelly feel asshame CCP is not doiging anyting.
Ahh, but it is allowed. That's the beauty of it.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:28:00 -
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Taht is vewy bad. 
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Elite Contract
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
You simply fail
NO YOU
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
ITT: Internet lawyers
Better stop playing EvE then, because a PLEX is an in-game item like a CNR, and scammable like a CNR.
If you don't like CCP's rules, no-one's forcing you to give them your money. It's not like CCP haven't made the rules perfectly clear or anything. As for your hilarious legal interpretation, perhaps you'd like to back it up with, oh, I don't know, actual precedent.
Because if you can't (you can't), and you're not a court judge in Iceland (you're not), your legal opinion is valueless (it is).
a) A plex is not like a CNR. You CNR has no monetary value. A plex has a value of 15 $ (or whatever it costs), that's the crucial diffrence.
b) CCPs rules don't matter for the question if it's a crime or not. If i make a rule that anyone who enters my house can be killed for free, this won't make murder legal, even if you sign my Eula with this rule before entering my house. Civil/contract law can't waive criminal law.
c) Asking for a precedent is ridiculous, since the plex system is only a few months old and there hasn't been anything comparable so far, it's legally unknown territory (yet), there are a lot of convictions for internet fraud that are not substantially different. Feel free to scam me for a plex in game and we will have a precedent very fast.
When you then end up behind the bars for internet fraud, it will be a pleasure to visit you in jail and write "p0wned" on your prison cell door. 
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them usually, to obtain property or services.
Fraud can be committed through many methods, including mail, wire, phone, and the internet (computer crime and internet fraud). So if someone scams me for a plex, he (a real person) damages me (a real person) financially (for 15 $) - usually to obtain the service of 30 day gametime. That's fraud by definition. A crime such as fraud can't be waived or legalized by a third party EULA. In fact, since CCP offers a platform for others to commit fraud it is a "companion in crime" in that internet fraud. Helping fraudster to fraud will not go unpunished.
If someone would cheat me out of my plexes, i'd bring in a charge against the scammer and CCP and they'd get "aggroed" by a prosecutor, very simple.
Okay, so if he used some trickery to get $15 from you, that may be fraud. However, with PLEXes, nothing of the sort is going on. You're getting internet credits with NO CASH VALUE which are ALL PROPERTY OF CCP from other people.
CCP could decide tomorrow to delete everything in game and you couldn't do a thing about it. What gives you a reason to believe that if players change some zeros and ones in CCP's database through dubious means that somehow constitutes fraud?
No cash value you say, why does it cost 15 $ then ?
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them usually, to obtain property or services.
Fraud can be committed through many methods, including mail, wire, phone, and the internet (computer crime and internet fraud). So if someone scams me for a plex, he (a real person) damages me (a real person) financially (for 15 $) - usually to obtain the service of 30 day gametime. That's fraud by definition. A crime such as fraud can't be waived or legalized by a third party EULA. In fact, since CCP offers a platform for others to commit fraud it is a "companion in crime" in that internet fraud. Helping fraudster to fraud will not go unpunished.
If someone would cheat me out of my plexes, i'd bring in a charge against the scammer and CCP and they'd get "aggroed" by a prosecutor, very simple.
Okay, so if he used some trickery to get $15 from you, that may be fraud. However, with PLEXes, nothing of the sort is going on. You're getting internet credits with NO CASH VALUE which are ALL PROPERTY OF CCP from other people.
CCP could decide tomorrow to delete everything in game and you couldn't do a thing about it. What gives you a reason to believe that if players change some zeros and ones in CCP's database through dubious means that somehow constitutes fraud?
No cash value you say, why does it cost 15 $ then ?
To quote the EULA:
Quote:
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
If you are playing the game, YOU AGREED to the EULA, so you agreed that your stuff in game has no value. Thus, your PLEXes in game have no value, regardless of what you paid for them.
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Edward Tang
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
No cash value you say, why does it cost 15 $ then ?
According to the EULA, which you accepted, you are not allowed to sell ingame itms for cash. So you have no way to convert your plex back into the 15$. It is also stated taht ALL ingame items belong to CCP and not to you. If CCP decides that its fine if one of THEIR plex items changes hand for 300k of THEIR isks, you cant do much...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
Noticed a lot of scam attepmts aswell, for examle buy-orders in Jita for 400k.
How is that a scam? It's the market at work — no more, no less. If he wants to try to buy one for 400k, then that's his right. If someone overbids him, then his attempt has failed. If no-one is overbidding him, and you accept that price, then you have just agreed that 400k is indeed the right value for a PLEX.
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
a) A plex is not like a CNR. You CNR has no monetary value.
Neither does your PLEX for one simple reason: you cannot exchange it for money. It doesn't matter how much it costs to get one — once converted into game time, the question of monetary value is no longer relevant.
Sure, you can argue that 1 PLEX = 30 days = $15, but notice that extra step you need to take. If your PLEX holds monetary value, then so does the CNR, because you're short-circuiting this connection and saying that 1 PLEX = $15. If you do that, then it's equally valid to say that 1 CNR = 1 PLEX = $15, at which point a PLEX becomes just like a CNR because both represent a monetary valule.
…and that's really the key word here: "represents." A plex has no monetary value (since it cannot be converted into cash). However, it represents a monetary value, but so does everything else in the game.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:20:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Khrillian
To quote the EULA:
Quote:
You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved.
If you are playing the game, YOU AGREED to the EULA, so you agreed that your stuff in game has no value. Thus, your PLEXes in game have no value, regardless of what you paid for them.
Ok, but read the underlined part again, this section covers stuff that results from playing the game. Which is everything you earn/build up, all your usual ingame stuff. But not the plex. The plex you acquire by an out of game action, by paying real money to the company, not by "PLAY through your Accounts". Therefore a plex is not covered by this section.
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Val Karan
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:26:00 -
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Its not scamming, it's offers. You are offered 400k ISK for your 30 Day PLEX. If you DO sell it is up to you.
You converted your GTC which you could have safely traded over the website interface into something you trade ingame. The risk ingame might be higher, but just think about it: nothing keeps people from making "WTB 60D 500k" over in the GTC Forum, either. I really do wonder why noone's using it.
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:29:00 -
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You're paying for adding the PLEX to the character, not an extended subscription. What if, for example, you sold two PLEXs clean, got your 600 million, then got scammed into buying two tritanium bars for 600 million ISK? You just lost your PLEXs, but you didn't.
Get it? Once you dump money into the virtual world, it's a free for all. But, as a responsible adult, you only waste disposable income on spaceship games anyway, right? If you spend $20 on a +25% experience potion in a micro store, only to find out you wasted its effects attending an online wedding, you don't get your money back. If you buy a PLEX and waste it because you weren't careful, you don't get your money back.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 21/02/2009 10:35:50
Originally by: Trathen
You're paying for adding the PLEX to the character, not an extended subscription. What if, for example, you sold two PLEXs clean, got your 600 million, then got scammed into buying two tritanium bars for 600 million ISK? You just lost your PLEXs, but you didn't.
See my reply 2 posts above, you lose the plexes worth 30$ for something that has no monetary value in the moment you give that plexes to someone in exchange for the isk. The isk you gain don't represent the 30$ anymore, someone else has that item of monetary value, while you received something that has no value (in terms of rl cash), therefore it doesn't matter what happens to the isk.
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Trathen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.21 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
See my reply 2 posts above, you lose the plexes worth 30$ for something that has no monetary value in the moment you give that plexes to someone in exchange for the isk. The isk you gain don't represent the 30$ anymore, someone else has that item of monetary value, while you received something that has no value (in terms of rl cash), therefore it doesn't matter what happens to the isk.
Then it doesn't matter what happens to the PLEXs because they only have an ISK value. Y
You pay to have a virtual item placed on your account that happens to give you 30 days more of play time. This happens millions of times a day through something called "microtransactions" in F2P games. It is nothing new. You are purchasing a service, not a commodity.
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Bimjo
Caldari
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.21 11:01:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: iudex
Noticed a lot of scam attepmts aswell, for examle buy-orders in Jita for 400k.
How is that a scam? It's the market at work no more, no less. If he wants to try to buy one for 400k
He probably meant contracts that have the heading saying buyer pays 400 mill where as inside contract the offer is 400 k
One solution is to have a fixed heading for PLEX contracts,with the only variable being the cost,which is taken from the real price offered/sought after
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dosperado
Denial of Service
Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.21 11:10:00 -
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There is an official statement of a Dev elsewhere in this forum stating that PLEX scam is totally legal
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Cone Filler
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Posted - 2009.02.21 11:16:00 -
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The shear number of tards is mind blowing, Listen VERY closely
GTC is NOT a PLEX, difference is GTC an out of game item while the PLEX is an ingame (forget eveything about gtc's when trading plex as selling the plex = selling a bhaalgorn)
And yes Anybody scamming real GTC's will get the banhammer pretty fast
But plex lol get real you already got what you paied for so tough luck ALWAYS look at contracts never accept a free form contract displaying a PLEX
a few guidelines just for you now get over you got scammed of a plex and wipe thoose tears and that runny nose
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Extortive
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Posted - 2009.02.21 11:41:00 -
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They are legal according to CCP but you could probably take it to court and win.
Like someone above said, just because CCP says its 'legal ingame' doesnt make it legal out of game and in your country.
CCP are probably just assuming the low value of a plex would make the chance of legal action by a disgruntled customer very very unlikely.
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Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2009.02.21 11:42:00 -
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The only PLEX scam that I've seen (which is so totally obvious any chump that falls for it deserves to get screwed) is to set up a 400,000ISK buy order and than spam that you're paying 400,000,000ISK for a PLEX.
There is no reason for CCP to ban this sort of scam since (A) there is no official ISK value tied to each PLEX (B) PLEX are in-game items and (C) scamming in-game is allowed.
So, if you pay 400,000ISK for a PLEX it's your own stupidity to blame, and you have no recourse other than to come and advertise your own stupidity as you cry about it on the forums.
Long story short, if you don't want to risk getting scammed, buy GTC using the forums, and not PLEX in-game. Since the forums and GTC are external to the game, if you get scammed, the scammer will get banned.
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.21 11:51:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ok, but read the underlined part again, this section covers stuff that results from playing the game. Which is everything you earn/build up, all your usual ingame stuff. But not the plex. The plex you acquire by an out of game action, by paying real money to the company, not by "PLAY through your Accounts".
This isn't the case at all for many PLEXes - you can get them on market, all ingame (so these obviously fall under the EULA definition of no value). So now you're drawing a distinction between PLEXes which are in the hands of the original buyer and those that were resold? Thus some PLEXes have no value while others do?
I don't know how the EULA could be any clearer:
Quote:
Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including [stuff]...are the sole and exclusive property of CCP
ANYTHING you can see on your account is an attribute, a little data object somewhere in the CCP database, a PLEX, a corporation, an ISK total, whatever. ALL of it, is the property of CCP. "Including" denotes the beginning of a non exhaustive list of examples, so picking apart the words there won't help your argument.
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
You can't convert the plex to money, but this doesn't mean it doesn't represent a monetary value. You paid 15 $ it. It can be bought for 15 $ anytime. It's available on rl market for money.
A CNR is not.
If you bought a CNR on ebay then it's worth something?
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S1m0n H0ldr1ck
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Posted - 2009.02.21 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: S1m0n H0ldr1ck on 21/02/2009 12:02:00
Arguing against the so called plex "scam" would never stand up in court because the price you are paying or accepting for one is clearly displayed before you accept.
If you saw a car advertised in a dealership for 4000 would you then write a cheque for 40000000 when they told you the actual price?
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Ergebt Euch
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Posted - 2009.02.21 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khrillian
If you bought a CNR on ebay then it's worth something?
me thinks you can't buy a cnr on ebay because the guy trying to sell it doesn't own it
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 12:47:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ok, but read the underlined part again, this section covers stuff that results from playing the game. Which is everything you earn/build up, all your usual ingame stuff. But not the plex. The plex you acquire by an out of game action, by paying real money to the company, not by "PLAY through your Accounts".
This isn't the case at all for many PLEXes - you can get them on market, all ingame (so these obviously fall under the EULA definition of no value). So now you're drawing a distinction between PLEXes which are in the hands of the original buyer and those that were resold? Thus some PLEXes have no value while others do?
There are no plexes that haven't been paid for, you don't "create" new ones on market, someone is giving you his plex and transfers the right, usually for something that has no out-of-game value (such as isk or items).
On the Eula thing: even if you say CCP owns that pixel-plex, you have to think about what that plex is from the legal point of view. What is the point and nature of the plex. In game it's a little graphics, like the pirate dogtags, but it represents the right to claim a service. A right/claim/demand to grant you 30 day access to the game - you bought this demand for real money, and it's this right that you are interested in, not a pixel-item.
This is the point where most people fail in this thread, they can't see the nature of the plex, its legal existance outside the game itself. It's a claim of monetary value, that is represented by the pixel-plex, and that is bound to the pixel-plex.
The pixel-plex graphics itself might be property of CCP, the claim, that is represented by the pixel-plex is a right/claim against CCP. Without this right/claim/entitlement (or whatever the correct english legal term is) the pixel-plex has no value.
So once you understand that those are two things (ingame graphics owned by ccp and out-of game claim against ccp) and realize how they are connected to each other (ingame-graphics change hands results in out-of-game claim change hands) you will understand why ingame-fraud becomes out-of game fraud when the plex is involved.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.21 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Khrillian
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Ok, but read the underlined part again, this section covers stuff that results from playing the game. Which is everything you earn/build up, all your usual ingame stuff. But not the plex. The plex you acquire by an out of game action, by paying real money to the company, not by "PLAY through your Accounts".
This isn't the case at all for many PLEXes - you can get them on market, all ingame (so these obviously fall under the EULA definition of no value). So now you're drawing a distinction between PLEXes which are in the hands of the original buyer and those that were resold? Thus some PLEXes have no value while others do?
There are no plexes that haven't been paid for, you don't "create" new ones on market, someone is giving you his plex and transfers the right, usually for something that has no out-of-game value (such as isk or items).
On the Eula thing: even if you say CCP owns that pixel-plex, you have to think about what that plex is from the legal point of view. What is the point and nature of the plex. In game it's a little graphics, like the pirate dogtags, but it represents the right to claim a service. A right/claim/demand to grant you 30 day access to the game - you bought this demand for real money, and it's this right that you are interested in, not a pixel-item.
This is the point where most people fail in this thread, they can't see the nature of the plex, its legal existance outside the game itself. It's a claim of monetary value, that is represented by the pixel-plex, and that is bound to the pixel-plex.
The pixel-plex graphics itself might be property of CCP, the claim, that is represented by the pixel-plex is a right/claim against CCP. Without this right/claim/entitlement (or whatever the correct english legal term is) the pixel-plex has no value.
So once you understand that those are two things (ingame graphics owned by ccp and out-of game claim against ccp) and realize how they are connected to each other (ingame-graphics change hands results in out-of-game claim change hands) you will understand why ingame-fraud becomes out-of game fraud when the plex is involved.
It is explicitly a condition of sale of those PLEXes that the value of the right or claim is something that you can trade or negotiate in game at your own risk.
To use an analogy, you buy chips at a gambling house - which represent a claim for real money - but you cant sue the casino when the guy you folded to when you thought he had a full house turned out to have actually bluffed you with a pair of 9s.
The risk of losing the claim value of your chips is inherent to the nature of the game. Likewise, CCP have explicitly made PLEXs "losable". It's one of their characteristics, and if you don't like it, don't buy one.
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