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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:40:00 -
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Before the introduction of the "safe GTC trade system" gm's statet it was a banable offence to scam pepole with fake GTC's. Is this stil the case?
OR wy has this ben changed?
It's stil the same scam as before, but now using ingame Contract systems.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:46:00 -
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AFAIK still illegal... you should be safe enough if you use the proper "safe trade" system though?
As far as I'm aware that's the only safe & legit way to buy a PLEX with ISK. ===================================== It smells of spoon! ===================================== |
Ma'kal
Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:48:00 -
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Yes, only because it is so easy to tell if it is a scam or not. Open your eyes and read the contract. If you stop one "scam" then you have to stop them all. An that is not Eve Online.
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Troyd23
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Troyd23 on 21/02/2009 00:49:00 Or you know... just buy/sell plexs on the market?
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Kjetilen
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'kal Yes, only because it is so easy to tell if it is a scam or not. Open your eyes and read the contract. If you stop one "scam" then you have to stop them all. An that is not Eve Online.
I' have not goten scamed, but for the newbie spending a lot of RL cash bying GTC's only to gett scamed sucks.
There is a huge difrence in scaming INGAME items, then Real life items
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Johann Callasan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: MAX MEXX Before the introduction of the "safe GTC trade system" gm's statet it was a banable offence to scam pepole with fake GTC's. Is this stil the case?
OR wy has this ben changed?
It's stil the same scam as before, but now using ingame Contract systems.
It hasn't changed - CCP catches ANYONE scamming either GTC or PLEX, they're gonna get the banhammer.
On that note though, where did you see a contract trying to "scam" a PLEX or a GTC? If you DO see carp like that going on, just remember that the devs won't catch on unless you petition...and even that may not work (regarding the POS exploit).
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:53:00 -
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Are you talking a scam, like useing lag to screw with the contents of a trade, or someone intentionally buying them for 300K Isk on the market instead of 300mil?
if the 2nd, I don't see anything wrong with it. Market scams have been the norm since eve started. Why should GTC's be any different then the venrable MegaT being sold as a Navy Mega scam? Or the 1 isk buy order scam?
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Kjetilen
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:53:00 -
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Open contract's find "game time" and see all the scaming contract's.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:53:00 -
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There is a distinction between plex and GTCs
GTCs are out of game items that are a valid form of payment for the game. These are not scammable and if somone scams you why buying one using the secure method petition it
PLEX are in game items. They are subject to the rules that govern every in game item. You can trade and scam these all you want.
If you wanna be safe just trade GTCs on the forum using the secure method. If you wanna trade plexs in game you take the same risks as you do trading any item.
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Dari Anoh
Amarr Anoh Shavar
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:58:00 -
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Just for the record, PLEXes are indeed treated like normal in-game items, so you're allowed to scam with them (See the big red box on the EVE Wiki page).
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.21 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Johann Callasan It hasn't changed - CCP catches ANYONE scamming either GTC or PLEX, they're gonna get the banhammer.
On that note though, where did you see a contract trying to "scam" a PLEX or a GTC? If you DO see carp like that going on, just remember that the devs won't catch on unless you petition...and even that may not work (regarding the POS exploit).
You couldn't be more wrong. CCP has stated that PLEX are ingame items and will be treated as such. People have petitioned "PLEX scams" (which are just basic contract scams) and GMs have affirmed that "PLEX scams" are legit.
Please don't comment on rules/game mechanics that you know nothing about again.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Whiskey Creek Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.21 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Johann Callasan
Originally by: MAX MEXX Before the introduction of the "safe GTC trade system" gm's statet it was a banable offence to scam pepole with fake GTC's. Is this stil the case?
OR wy has this ben changed?
It's stil the same scam as before, but now using ingame Contract systems.
It hasn't changed - CCP catches ANYONE scamming either GTC or PLEX, they're gonna get the banhammer.
On that note though, where did you see a contract trying to "scam" a PLEX or a GTC? If you DO see carp like that going on, just remember that the devs won't catch on unless you petition...and even that may not work (regarding the POS exploit).
check the local chat in Jita... on multiple occasions i have seen a PLEX scam contract being linked there. although these were all basically "WTB PLEX for 435 mill" or something over market rate, but the actual contract was missing some zeros at the end. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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Kaahles
n0thing Inc. Ghostfleet
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Posted - 2009.02.21 01:35:00 -
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If you can read and take the time to carefully read the contracts you don't get scammed. It's as easy as that. You don't sing any crap contract in RL someone puts under you nose right?
If you fall for a scam like the one in the contracts it's just punishment for your lazyness. Accept it. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it! |
Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.21 01:41:00 -
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ALL in-game scams are legal as there are plently of in-game methods for detecting that it is a scam.
Any undectectable in-game scams are quickly patchs and/or declared exploits.
It is not practical to detect all forms of out-of-game scams. Therefore with vulnerable transaction (such as out-of-game GTC and Character trades) the GMs will enforce honesty as best as they can.
Scamming for game time became legitimate as soon as it moved in-game, and therefore ensured that players coould "defend" themselves against scams.
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Malthros Zenobia
Cadian Special Operations Command
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Posted - 2009.02.21 01:41:00 -
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Two EVE rules apply here:
1. If it looks too good to be true, it is. 2. If you're looking at a freeform contract, it's a scam.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.21 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Two EVE rules apply here:
1. If it looks too good to be true, it is. 2. If you're looking at a freeform contract, it's a scam.
I can't WAIT to see the first wave of nublets from M10 learn these rules. Nub tears taste so good....
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.21 02:10:00 -
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Plex != GTC.
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.21 02:39:00 -
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Noticed a lot of scam attepmts aswell, for examle buy-orders in Jita for 400k. CCP should better ban this, there are a lot of legal problems in this regard. The PLEX are not just ingame-items like anything else (all items and isk) that are owned by CCP, they represent a right/claim towards CCP to grant a 30 day access, they have a legal existence and a monetary value outside the game, a value that is owned by someone else than CCP. The ingame-scamming becomes an out-of-game claim scamming, people therefore commit a RL crime imho.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.21 02:59:00 -
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Scams relying on exploits are bannable (like, say, the trade-window-lag bug that was supposedly eliminated a good while ago). "Scams" only relying on total carelessness of victim using regular game mechanics (say, the "inabity" to differentiate between 300k and 300m because they can't be arsed to pay attention) are A-OK.
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.02.21 03:45:00 -
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Plex = Bearer bond
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Par'Gellen
Gallente Tres Hombres Psychiatric Hospital
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Posted - 2009.02.21 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Troyd23 Edited by: Troyd23 on 21/02/2009 00:49:00 Or you know... just buy/sell plexs on the market?
This. WTF is wrong with you people? ---
To err is human. But it shouldn't be the company motto...
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.02.21 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: iudex Noticed a lot of scam attepmts aswell, for examle buy-orders in Jita for 400k. CCP should better ban this, there are a lot of legal problems in this regard. The PLEX are not just ingame-items like anything else (all items and isk) that are owned by CCP, they represent a right/claim towards CCP to grant a 30 day access, they have a legal existence and a monetary value outside the game, a value that is owned by someone else than CCP. The ingame-scamming becomes an out-of-game claim scamming, people therefore commit a RL crime imho.
well your humble opinion is wrong, stupid. is it physical? NO. then its IN ****ING GAME YOU ******! in game items are not owned by you. no ****ing exceptions. you just sound like a butt hurt nub who got scammed. shut up and die (ingame). -------------------------
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
Originally by: iudex Noticed a lot of scam attepmts aswell, for examle buy-orders in Jita for 400k. CCP should better ban this, there are a lot of legal problems in this regard. The PLEX are not just ingame-items like anything else (all items and isk) that are owned by CCP, they represent a right/claim towards CCP to grant a 30 day access, they have a legal existence and a monetary value outside the game, a value that is owned by someone else than CCP. The ingame-scamming becomes an out-of-game claim scamming, people therefore commit a RL crime imho.
well your humble opinion is wrong, stupid. is it physical? NO. then its IN ****ING GAME YOU ******! in game items are not owned by you. no ****ing exceptions. you just sound like a butt hurt nub who got scammed. shut up and die (ingame).
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. You simply fail to understand what an intangible asset is, nor are you capable of understanding that the PLEX isn't only an ingame item but has a out-of-game legal existance (as a claim or intangible good). You try to compensate your lack of knowledge and intelligence with the use of insults, but you fail here aswell. Since you are apparently incapable of having a rational and mature discussion with the grown-ups in the forums i'd advise you to not hit the "Post Reply" button anymore at all.
_________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.81 // Angel Cartel +7.60 // Minmatar Republic -8.68 // Gallente Federation -9.88
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Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
Originally by: iudex Noticed a lot of scam attepmts aswell, for examle buy-orders in Jita for 400k. CCP should better ban this, there are a lot of legal problems in this regard. The PLEX are not just ingame-items like anything else (all items and isk) that are owned by CCP, they represent a right/claim towards CCP to grant a 30 day access, they have a legal existence and a monetary value outside the game, a value that is owned by someone else than CCP. The ingame-scamming becomes an out-of-game claim scamming, people therefore commit a RL crime imho.
well your humble opinion is wrong, stupid. is it physical? NO. then its IN ****ING GAME YOU ******! in game items are not owned by you. no ****ing exceptions. you just sound like a butt hurt nub who got scammed. shut up and die (ingame).
I dunno what my opinion is on whether scamming plexes is right or wrong but I do know that your argument is wrong. Plexes are at least as physical as a digital copy of a song or software and these are deemed to have a RL monetary value. Plenty of people get arrested/fined for inappropriate use/distribution/selling/scams involving these items.
well mannered a**h*** |
Insa Rexion
Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:04:00 -
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oh just thought of another one, intellectual property, that can be "non physical" at least in so far as you describe it. Again, plenty of folks fall foul of the law for messing around with this too
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Troyd23 Edited by: Troyd23 on 21/02/2009 00:49:00 Or you know... just buy/sell plexs on the market?
seriously.....
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Insa Rexion
I dunno what my opinion is on whether scamming plexes is right or wrong but I do know that your argument is wrong. Plexes are at least as physical as a digital copy of a song or software and these are deemed to have a RL monetary value. Plenty of people get arrested/fined for inappropriate use/distribution/selling/scams involving these items.
Yes, but those laws protect the actual owner of those products. In this case that would be CCP, since you chose to change your gametime code for in-game items. The laws are there to protect original works and and insure that people keep creating and inventing new things. CCP is the one who decides what the proper use of these items is and their word is final.
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Ergebt Euch
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Insa Rexion
I dunno what my opinion is on whether scamming plexes is right or wrong but I do know that your argument is wrong. Plexes are at least as physical as a digital copy of a song or software and these are deemed to have a RL monetary value. Plenty of people get arrested/fined for inappropriate use/distribution/selling/scams involving these items.
Yes, but those laws protect the actual owner of those products. In this case that would be CCP, since you chose to change your gametime code for in-game items. The laws are there to protect original works and and insure that people keep creating and inventing new things. CCP is the one who decides what the proper use of these items is and their word is final.
so, if ccp decides to delete all that plexes for fun, without giving gametime but keep all that thousands of dollars or euros that have been paid for the plexes, this wouldn't be a breach of contract or at least a breach of good faith ? do you think if someone goes to court and want his money back, that he paid for the plexes, in this case will have no chance against ccp ? if you really believe that, you must be extremely ignorant
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Whattyamean Dean
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:33:00 -
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Why is it people can type and read pages upon pages in a forum thread but can't bother to read a single contract? Where is the line between "being scammed" and "being a complete idiot"? They even put commas in the zeros for you.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.21 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Johann Callasan
Originally by: MAX MEXX Before the introduction of the "safe GTC trade system" gm's statet it was a banable offence to scam pepole with fake GTC's. Is this stil the case?
OR wy has this ben changed?
It's stil the same scam as before, but now using ingame Contract systems.
It hasn't changed - CCP catches ANYONE scamming either GTC or PLEX, they're gonna get the banhammer.
On that note though, where did you see a contract trying to "scam" a PLEX or a GTC? If you DO see carp like that going on, just remember that the devs won't catch on unless you petition...and even that may not work (regarding the POS exploit).
Wrong. PLEX are in game items and can be used for scamming just like any other item. CCP made this clear when they were introduced. Personally I was surprised, but pleased.
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