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scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:00:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Karadion wrote:You're what's wrong with eve. Give me your stuff and biomass yourself so we can finally fix Eve. Not empty quoting. CCP ban this ******* scooter guy from the forums already. Actually, this type of attitude is a perfect example of the major problem affecting these forums and the game itself. Immediately jumping on any and every chance to post personal attacks and troll threads with sarcastic remarks intended to demean, berate and intentionally incite a flame war to derail the thread, eventually forcing the thread to be locked and the topic to be re-posted again. This type of behavior has been out of control now for quite a while. It is consequently affecting the game, both in terms of getting prospective new players to subscribe as well as driving existing players away from the game. Within the past 4 years I've watched this type of behavior become increasingly more prevalent, basically turning into the 'Modus Operandi' for the forums and in-game. The major party responsible for this is CCP, plain and simple. CCP's lack of moderator presence and lack of forum activity has incited and encouraged this problem to grow. The various erratic bursts of CCP enforcing Forum rules and at times appearing to conduct biased selective moderation only incites and encourages rage from both sides of the fence. The Eve Forums were originally intended to be a productive helpful resource for the Eve Community to gain and share information as well as be a platform for the exchange of ideas, all to be conducted in a friendly manner. In order to maintain this standard, users need to read and abide by the conditions listed in the Forum Rules. By participating in the forums, users are confirming they will comply by those rules. CCP has a long hard road to travel trying to turn these forums back into what they were originally intended. As such all users can help CCP achieve that objective simply by complying with the Forum Rules, using the Report Option (flag icon next to time stamp in header of posted reply) for noncompliance replies and lastly, File Complaint on any discrepancy or suspected inappropriate actions of moderators.
I mostly disagree. I have had many causes to flag comment or in-game mails but I don't. People are entitled to their opinions and comments. That being said I would have to agree with the haphazard moderation. I prefer none. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6253
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:02:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia, no they can't. Of course they can. You're just confused about what their jurisdiction is.
They can limit you in any way they like within the realm of their services. As long as they can make a case that you are fully cognizant of these limitations and the service you purchase for your money, they can do whatever catches their fancy. You can always try to claim afterwards that you did not get what you paid or signed up for (or thought you signed up for, although that is usually a much more problematic case), but that's a matter of contract law and the agreement between two private entities. It is not a matter of what rights your government reserves for you.
Quote:CCP can't make you sign an agreement into slavery either. That's because your life does not exist within the service they provide. Your right to use their communication features to express things they do not want you to express is somewhere between zilch and nil for the exact opposite reason: because it does exist within the service they provide. You are entirely free not to make use of this service, should you feel the need to say something they refuse to let you say. If you do sign that agreement, though, then they are no longer forcing you when they restrict what you're allowed to express.
Quote:The point is and the one that always seems to escape you is that it doesn't matter what is but what ought to be. GǪand what it is (and ought to be) is that they adjudicate over the messages being published through the medium they control. This includes shoving a sock down your throat when you start spewing nonsense. Doing so does not in any way impinge on your free speech GÇö you are still just as free to make the same loud noises, just not using the soap box they provide.
The human rights you speak of are rights provided and protected (or not) by governments, not by private companies. You are deeply confused about what freedom of speech means. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ai Shun
726
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:09:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote: ...
Do I honestly care about goons, no never. Do I care about Jita burning? No why would I it is a game. Do I think the group on the whole are absolutely unimpressive and uninspired, yes. does it matter what I think on that matter - no matter what side I am on, no.
Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. ...
scooter Kondur wrote:operationget goons out of eve is a grassroots movement to get ccp to perma ban all goon and goon like activiteis from eve
From here.
scooter Kondur wrote:cant wait till they get banned here, days are obv numbered
From here
etc. So again - you actively call for the banning of a number of players because you dislike how they play the game. Yet, when you feel your freedom to call for people to break a Non-disclosure Agreement is being infringed (Or whatever it is that you have your panties in a twist about this time) you think there should be some form of protection ... EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
99
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:26:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:scooter Kondur wrote: ...
Do I honestly care about goons, no never. Do I care about Jita burning? No why would I it is a game. Do I think the group on the whole are absolutely unimpressive and uninspired, yes. does it matter what I think on that matter - no matter what side I am on, no.
Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. ... scooter Kondur wrote:operationget goons out of eve is a grassroots movement to get ccp to perma ban all goon and goon like activiteis from eve From here. scooter Kondur wrote:cant wait till they get banned here, days are obv numbered From hereetc. So again - you actively call for the banning of a number of players because you dislike how they play the game. Yet, when you feel your freedom to call for people to break a Non-disclosure Agreement is being infringed (Or whatever it is that you have your panties in a twist about this time) you think there should be some form of protection ...
Let's put a different Avatar in place of mine and see if that changes how you read any of what is being said?
Goons:
Do you think at all that any sort of ranting about the Goons are going to get them all banned. If so please outline the scenario in which it is possible. If you are still unable to see the irony please try again.
NDA:
What can you say. In light of the number of threads about Dust 514 I am truly surprised that no one can appreciate the beauty and irony in that one as well. NDA? What can you say? |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
143
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=scooter Kondur]Tippia, no they can't. Of course they can. You're just confused about what their jurisdiction is
They can limit you in any way they like within the realm of their services. As long as they can make a case that you are fully cognizant of these limitations and the service you purchase for your money, they can do whatever catches their fancy. You can always try to claim afterwards that you did not get what you paid or signed up for (or thought you signed up for, although that is usually a much more problematic case), but that's a matter of contract law and the agreement between two private entities. It is not a matter of what rights your government reserves for you
Quote:CCP can't make you sign an agreement into slavery either. That's because your life does not exist within the service they provide. Your right to use their communication features to express things they do not want you to express is somewhere between zilch and nil for the exact opposite reason: because it does exist within the service they provide. You are entirely free not to make use of this service, should you feel the need to say something they refuse to let you say. If you do sign that agreement, though, then they are no longer forcing you when they restrict what you're allowed to express
Quote:The point is and the one that always seems to escape you is that it doesn't matter what is but what ought to be. GǪand what it is (and ought to be) is that they adjudicate over the messages being published through the medium they control. This includes shoving a sock down your throat when you start spewing nonsense. Doing so does not in any way impinge on your free speech GÇö you are still just as free to make the same loud noises, just not using the soap box they provide
The human rights you speak of are rights provided and protected (or not) by governments, not by private companies. You are deeply confused about what freedom of speech means
Quote:Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. No, the point is that no such infringement is taking place here.[/quote
You sure do argue a lot for someone who should have the sense to stop while they are ahead. Scooter is quite adamant in retaining his own personal views and he is entitled to them. It isn't ignorance of the rules or law that is keeping him on this, it is his own stubborn refusal to believe that it should be any way but the way he thinks it should be
Nothing wrong with this really, unless he decides to start killing people, planting bombs, or harrassing someone or anyone about it. So far he hasn't done anything of the sort that I've noticed and has made every effort to let you all know that he isn't judging you or saying your views are wrong
He's just reiterating a point and waiting to see if you'll catch on and let him have it
Anyway.. I'd hardly call it trolling. I can't even find a single shred of anything from either of you to argue with.
P.S. we don't have freedom of speech in Canada. In fact, the US has much more support for Human Rights than we do here. The difference is that Canadians as a whole either don't see it, refuse to admit it for fear of reprisal, or don't see it as a problem. Fact is, if you tried to fight for your basic Human right to do anything here, it'd be a 50-50 chance you'd win or lose
You might actually win, provided you were fighting for something that was widely agreed on, but don't expect you'd get any support for it until you were fighting and beginning to win, excepting of course the pot-smoking freedom movement or whatever that is.
They protest anything and support anything and get thrown in jail for it without a thought provided it is generally held within their views of being right. Of course, nobody pays attention to them and protesters are thrown in jail regularly without much comment. Quite often I understand, they are beaten and bloodied in the process of arrest too. Not much comment on that either
Free country
There isn't a place on Earth that is truly free and there never will be. That's not a bad thing. Imagine the difficulty of living somewhere people had the ability to do whatever they wanted without consequence until someone fought back or prevented them from doing it by exercising there own ability to do what they wanted and happened to be in disagreement with that person
Not really freedom then either is it, and strangely or not, that is how we arrived where we are at.
It's not even ironic, sadly. It's just a progression from where we were to where we are. Even if we started over, we would just end up being somewhere more or less like here again. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
99
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:37:00 -
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Quote:Point is the infringement of free speech because a bunch of cry babies don't like the way you are playing the game, who go so far as to your removal of it is not cool. No, the point is that no such infringement is taking place here.[/quote]
It is. If you are unable to see that then it is lost on you. If you are unable to see the consequences then sadly that is lost on you as well.
You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land and yes there are reasonable limits that can be imposed (or self imposed) but no court is going to uphold an egregious arrangement. I don't think EVE is entering a totalitarian state, but given what the Eve community is/as I don't like the direction it is headed in and neither should you.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6254
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:52:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:It is. No, it's not.
What laws has CCP passed that restricts your ability or reduces your right to express yourself? What measures has CCP taken to editorialise your input in all forms of media? What measures has CCP taken to restrict people from accessing venues you frequent? What equipment has CCP seized to prevent you from spreading your ideas?
The answer to all of the above is, obviously, GÇ£noneGÇ¥. They cannot pass any laws. They do not have any control over all media. They do not control the access to all physical and virtual venues. They do not have a 451-like cadre of firemen that break down your door and smash your computers/printing press/recorder/chisel and stone tablets.
You are still as free as ever to express what you want to express. CCP can just choose not to let you use their media to do so, as is their right as the publishers of those media and as delineated in the contract you've entered with them.
Quote:You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land GǪand the fact remains: the law of the land is that companies are not governed by the laws that ensure free speech GÇö the government is. CCP is not a government. They can restrict your ability to use them as a soap box as much as they'd like. Just like they cannot force you to sign away your life, you cannot force them to provide you with a soap box from which you can scream aboutGǪ whatever it is you want to scream about. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ai Shun
726
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:55:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land and yes there are reasonable limits that can be imposed (or self imposed) but no court is going to uphold an egregious arrangement. I don't think EVE is entering a totalitarian state, but given what the Eve community is/as I don't like the direction it is headed in and neither should you.
This is a very different scooter ... I like this one more. Please post more like this.
So here is a question then - what about evolution in a community? You speak of this community as if it is a cohesive, semi-sentient entity. If we treat it as such and it has a change of mind and starts moving in a different direction; should the person feeding it assist? Or use the rod to keep it where they wanted it in the first place?
It almost makes me wonder who owns EVE Online. If it is us, the players, the community (Or society if you like) determines what is acceptable to them. If it is CCP, well, then the decision is theirs - is it not? EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
99
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:It is. No, it's not. What laws has CCP passed that restricts your ability or reduces your right to express yourself? What measures has CCP taken to editorialise your input in all forms of media? What measures has CCP taken to restrict people from accessing venues you frequent? What equipment has CCP seized to prevent you from spreading your ideas? The answer to all of the above is, obviously, GÇ£noneGÇ¥. You are still as free as ever to express what you want to express. CCP can just choose not to let you use their media to do so, as is their right as the publishers of those media and as delineated in the contract you've entered with them. Quote:You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land GǪand the fact remains: the law of the land is that companies are not governed by the laws that ensure free speech GÇö the government is. CCP is not a government. They can restrict your ability to use them as a soap box as much as they'd like. Just like they cannot force you to sign away your life, you cannot force them to provide you with a soap box from which you can scream aboutGǪ whatever it is you want to scream about.
Medium is the message.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6254
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:00:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Medium is the message. No. A medium is a medium. A message is a message. One may carry the other but they are not the same.
GǪand your freedom of speech is not being infringed upon by CCP. To claim so is absurd and completely confuses what free speech is, and what the right to it actually entails.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Jackal Datapaw
pantheon inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:01:00 -
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I just want to make a point, freedom of speech, everyone has it, but there is always consequences for said actions.
For example, if you scream out fire in a theater, you get removed from the theater for life, it cause it private property.
The forums, and this game is still technically private property, as CCP owns the servers the game and site is running on, so if you start to abuse said freedom it rather simple, you get removed.
That is all, I just wanted to put that out there =) |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
99
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:23:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:You can spout all you like but fact is that companies and still have to follow the law of the land and yes there are reasonable limits that can be imposed (or self imposed) but no court is going to uphold an egregious arrangement. I don't think EVE is entering a totalitarian state, but given what the Eve community is/as I don't like the direction it is headed in and neither should you. This is a very different scooter ... I like this one more. Please post more like this. So here is a question then - what about evolution in a community? You speak of this community as if it is a cohesive, semi-sentient entity. If we treat it as such and it has a change of mind and starts moving in a different direction; should the person feeding it assist? Or use the rod to keep it where they wanted it in the first place? It almost makes me wonder who owns EVE Online. If it is us, the players, the community (Or society if you like) determines what is acceptable to them. If it is CCP, well, then the decision is theirs - is it not?
I think similar sort of interplay happens when one considers immigration. If you open the flood gates the community which change too much to fast but kept closed it will die. Does the community as a whole have a right to determine who the new members are? As the parents do we get to decide? Clearly with out CCP there would be no players and vice versa. I don't know, probably the answer is somewhere in the middle ground. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
99
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Medium is the message. No. A medium is a medium. A message is a message. One may carry the other but they are not the same. GǪand your freedom of speech is not being infringed upon by CCP. To claim so is absurd and completely confuses what free speech is, and what the right to it actually entails.
I wiki'd it for you. Not my quote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message
Consider this, what would you rather I tell you to shut up or I ignore everything you say as if you never said it. Eve is a medium, you can silence in whatever way you like but it doesn't mean what was said or thought doesn't exist. Does anyone need to even bother to make an argument that dissent is healthy and that it should be promoted? I would say that CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just as much as anyone else.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6254
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:49:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:I wiki'd it for you. Not my quote. You should probably read that a bit closer, thenGǪ
Quote:Eve is a medium, you can silence in whatever way you like but it doesn't mean what was said or thought doesn't exist. No, but it does mean that CCP does not want to be associated with what was said, as is their right.
Quote:I would say that CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just as much as anyone else. No, they don't, and more to the point, that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Your idea of freedom of speech means that you must now go and post in every subforum on these boards that you are a complete fool and a jackass, and that I'm the smartest guy around and that if if you don't do this, you are infringing on my freedom of speech.
There's just one problem with this idea: it's completely and hilariously bonkers and it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. You see, your freedoms and rights end the instant they come in contact with my freedom and rights (and vice versa). This means that I am free not to repeat your ravings and your right to express them end with me. You do not have the right to force me to repeat them, and my not repeating them does not infringe your freedom to say it to begin with. CCP has the same right not to broadcast your rantings if they do not like them. Their decision not to do so does not infringe on your freedom to speech. You're still just as free to express yourself GÇö you just can't force CCP to repeat what you say.
You do not have any freedom of speech on these boards, because that freedom ceases to exist the instant it touches CCP's medium of communication, and all you can hope for is that they, out of the kindness of their heart, decide to let your message pass. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
606
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:54:00 -
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Scooter's argumentative flailing reminds me of somebody who can't swim and is getting increasingly desperate to stay above the water surface. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
120
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:56:00 -
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Scooter Kondor for CSM 8 Chairman! Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Jackal Datapaw
pantheon inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 05:57:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Scooter's argumentative flailing reminds me of somebody who can't swim and is getting increasingly desperate to stay above the water surface.
Thing is, if no one posted to this thread, it would of sunk down to the bottom...Unnoticed |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
606
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:00:00 -
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Jackal Datapaw wrote:Alpheias wrote:Scooter's argumentative flailing reminds me of somebody who can't swim and is getting increasingly desperate to stay above the water surface. Thing is, if no one posted to this thread, it would of sunk down to the bottom...Unnoticed
Still, I find his desperate struggle to highly entertaining. Care for some popcorn? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Jackal Datapaw
pantheon inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:14:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Jackal Datapaw wrote:Alpheias wrote:Scooter's argumentative flailing reminds me of somebody who can't swim and is getting increasingly desperate to stay above the water surface. Thing is, if no one posted to this thread, it would of sunk down to the bottom...Unnoticed Still, I find his desperate struggle to highly entertaining. Care for some popcorn?
Way a-head of you! |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
100
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:I wiki'd it for you. Not my quote. You should probably read that a bit closer, thenGǪ Quote:Eve is a medium, you can silence in whatever way you like but it doesn't mean what was said or thought doesn't exist. No, but it does mean that CCP does not want to be associated with what was said, as is their right. Quote:I would say that CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just as much as anyone else. No, they don't, and more to the point, that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your idea of freedom of speech means that you must now go and post in every subforum on these boards that you are a complete fool and a jackass, and that I'm the smartest guy around and that if if you don't do this, you are infringing on my freedom of speech. There's just one problem with this idea: it's completely and hilariously bonkers and it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. You see, your freedoms and rights end the instant they come in contact with my freedom and rights (and vice versa). This means that I am free not to repeat your ravings and your right to express them end with me. You do not have the right to force me to repeat them, and my not repeating them does not infringe your freedom to say it to begin with. CCP has the same right not to broadcast your rantings if they do not like them. Their decision not to do so does not infringe on your freedom to speech. You're still just as free to express yourself GÇö you just can't force CCP to repeat what you say. You do not have any freedom of speech on these boards, because that freedom ceases to exist the instant it touches CCP's medium of communication, and all you can hope for is that they, out of the kindness of their heart, decide to let your message pass.
I would suggest you reread the wiki and maybe take sometime to digest it and get a grasp for the bigger picture.
Let's live in your world where no one is allowed any medium for dissent and they are never heard. What a boring place to live. How many examples do you need of people how had to repeatedly say hey look at me I have a great idea but were passed over for years until someone took notice? Voices and ideas that offer a different outlook or change shouldn't be silenced ever. CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just like everyone else.
You know sometimes I think you are dead wrong (and it hurts my head to read it) but I still read what you say and consider it. How would you feel if no one listened? More so what if you weren't given a voice at all. |
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scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
100
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:15:00 -
[81] - Quote
Jackal Datapaw wrote:Alpheias wrote:Jackal Datapaw wrote:Alpheias wrote:Scooter's argumentative flailing reminds me of somebody who can't swim and is getting increasingly desperate to stay above the water surface. Thing is, if no one posted to this thread, it would of sunk down to the bottom...Unnoticed Still, I find his desperate struggle to highly entertaining. Care for some popcorn? Way a-head of you!
Your contribution to this riveting thread have been duly noted.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
235
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:20:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Tippia wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:I wiki'd it for you. Not my quote. You should probably read that a bit closer, thenGǪ Quote:Eve is a medium, you can silence in whatever way you like but it doesn't mean what was said or thought doesn't exist. No, but it does mean that CCP does not want to be associated with what was said, as is their right. Quote:I would say that CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just as much as anyone else. No, they don't, and more to the point, that has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Quite the opposite, in fact. Your idea of freedom of speech means that you must now go and post in every subforum on these boards that you are a complete fool and a jackass, and that I'm the smartest guy around and that if if you don't do this, you are infringing on my freedom of speech. There's just one problem with this idea: it's completely and hilariously bonkers and it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. You see, your freedoms and rights end the instant they come in contact with my freedom and rights (and vice versa). This means that I am free not to repeat your ravings and your right to express them end with me. You do not have the right to force me to repeat them, and my not repeating them does not infringe your freedom to say it to begin with. CCP has the same right not to broadcast your rantings if they do not like them. Their decision not to do so does not infringe on your freedom to speech. You're still just as free to express yourself GÇö you just can't force CCP to repeat what you say. You do not have any freedom of speech on these boards, because that freedom ceases to exist the instant it touches CCP's medium of communication, and all you can hope for is that they, out of the kindness of their heart, decide to let your message pass. I would suggest you reread the wiki and maybe take sometime to digest it and get a grasp for the bigger picture. Let's live in your world where no one is allowed any medium for dissent and they are never heard. What a boring place to live. How many examples do you need of people how had to repeatedly say hey look at me I have a great idea but were passed over for years until someone took notice? Voices and ideas that offer a different outlook or change shouldn't be silenced ever. CCP has a duty to ensure that all voices are heard just like everyone else. You know sometimes I think you are dead wrong (and it hurts my head to read it) but I still read what you say and consider it. How would you feel if no one listened? More so what if you weren't given a voice at all.
Hey Scoot. What information is CCP suppressing from you? I must have missed that part. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
100
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:25:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
Hey Scoot. What information is CCP suppressing from you? I must have missed that part.
I think we got off track a while back. I forget now. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
235
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:26:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Hey Scoot. What information is CCP suppressing from you? I must have missed that part.
I think we got off track a while back. I forget now.
Well then you aren't helping your argument very much, are you? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
100
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:31:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Hey Scoot. What information is CCP suppressing from you? I must have missed that part.
I think we got off track a while back. I forget now. Well then you aren't helping your argument very much, are you?
All I know is I came looking to buy a nice PI toon and maybe fly logi and I ended up here. |
Jackal Datapaw
pantheon inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:38:00 -
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scooter Kondur wrote:Free Speech
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.
Sorry to say guys it is the different people that make Eve special. If you want to continue to ruin your game keep it up. People are always complaining about how CCP caters to the carebears (or whatever group) and how the game is continuously being dumbed down. This, lets call it pussification, of the game needs to stop. The constant rule changing, rule bending and silencing of individuals to appease the vocal minority of whiners needs to stop. I really see this as becoming a serious issue because of the partnership between Sony and CCP for Dust. Is Sony going to further strongarm CCP into adopting their PR policies?
If you can't take a joke, a troll or off the cuff remark then you need to HTFU.
That being said I will viciously troll you if you spew *** hate or any hate in my local but I will defend your right to your own views as well.
P.S. I was mad, had a cookie and now I'm ok
Think it happen something like that, first, lets start making these points.
It seems to me that as of late that there are a lot of whiners complaining about everything and anyone that doesn't fit the norm. Much more then usual.
So now you instally become a whiner! Oh my god, it follows something like this, as soon as you tell someone you hate drama, you start it.
next point.
Sorry to say guys it is the different people that make Eve special. If you want to continue to ruin your game keep it up.
Yelp, now not only did you not just counter your first point, the drama from your very first statement is now enraged by this. You've just become the very you said you would not.
People are always complaining about how CCP caters to the carebears (or whatever group) and how the game is continuously being dumbed down.
Saying that is like saying people always complain about people in high sec baiting newbies or unknowning prey into can flipping. You've just now created a endless cycle of counter arguments.
This, lets call it pussification, of the game needs to stop. The constant rule changing, rule bending and silencing of individuals to appease the vocal minority of whiners needs to stop.
um do a little more research before claiming this, CCP doesn't just listen to a minority of 'whiners' they tend to listen to the entire player base, case after all every change they make tends to be costly, and yes, they take bold steps, the actually need to make sure EVERYONE okay with it, or they could lose to much player base.
Also the first part, more drama incentive.
I really see this as becoming a serious issue because of the partnership between Sony and CCP for Dust. Is Sony going to further strongarm CCP into adopting their PR policies?
Yet again, another topic brought up due to the lack of research on the business model, and more drama incentive.
If you can't take a joke, a troll or off the cuff remark then you need to HTFU.
That being said I will viciously troll you if you spew *** hate or any hate in my local but I will defend your right to your own views as well.
P.S. I was mad, had a cookie and now I'm ok
Is there anything that needs more said? Okay, first I will start with this, it not OK, it Okay. Second, this is one basic clue that that A, you were really bored at night and needed something to do, or B, you threw a hissy fit and so such little self control, that you couldn't stop your fingers from moving....
I think that is all the points that had to be made O_o |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
100
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:41:00 -
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All that and you missed the point about Free Speech. |
Jackal Datapaw
pantheon inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:43:00 -
[88] - Quote
Then you should of made that a little more clear on your very first post! :D |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
100
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:48:00 -
[89] - Quote
Jackal Datapaw wrote:Then you should of made that a little more clear on your very first post! :D
It was in CAPS how much clearer can you get?
*still haven't found PI toon* |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.24 07:00:00 -
[90] - Quote
scooter Kondur wrote:Jackal Datapaw wrote:Then you should of made that a little more clear on your very first post! :D It was in CAPS how much clearer can you get? *still haven't found PI toon*
Make one. It takes a month. You will spend more paying the transfer fees for a PI alt than the character would be worth. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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