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EVE-Search ForumWatch http://eve-search.com/ The alternative EVE-Online Forum browser. en-us Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 EVE-Search RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Semkhet]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#72

Originally by: CCP Xhagen

Not that I care much about the CSM, but I really don't understand pushing the mandatory age to 21. IIRC, most of the EU and it's 450 million inhabitants reach legal majority at 18. Same in Iceland. So what's the reason ? Are you basing your rules on the japanese legislation ? Just curious...

]]> Sun, 26 Oct 2009 11:18:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/9031964 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by speedeagle2]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#71 Sat, 25 Oct 2009 20:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/9028419 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by NanDe YaNen]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#70 Mon, 20 Oct 2009 03:55:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8988431 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Jowen Datloran]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#69

Originally by: fiber0pti

;-: thats my careing about the csm face.

All it is a place for forum warriors to do nothing but talk on forums to get together and pretend there important and yet achieve nothing.

Are you saying it is better to only sit and yap on the forums?
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]]> Sun, 19 Oct 2009 16:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8985295 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by fiber0pti]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#68
All it is a place for forum warriors to do nothing but talk on forums to get together and pretend there important and yet achieve nothing.
Please resize signature to the maxim allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator]]> Sun, 19 Oct 2009 11:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8983911 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by LaVista Vista]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#67

Originally by: NanDe YaNen

Don't seem to be a lot of candidates this time around. Candidate apps ended yesterday, but I'm curious about running in the event that the current list on Jita Park isn't going to grow much longer. Easily have all of the application credentials. Can we have an update so as to decide whether there's a drought of CSM candidates and potentially, in the eyes of many pilots, a drought of good CSM candidates? I'd be inspired to run at this point to create a larger voting block for productive changes to 0.0. In any case, definitely don't need amateurs filling the eight and ninth seats.

Last time we did see a lot of people who ran but never announced themselves on the forum. As soon as the candidate list is published I'm sure we can tell

However, that is an interesting concern. I do agree with you that the amount of people who have announced themself is extremely small Confused

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Originally by: jcoutepascher

i Have several questions regarding this both for ccp & the candidates:

- Where can i see / inquiry about issues that the CSM will push for (theire agenda)
- Where can i propose ideas to CSM/CCP
- Is there any public records of what was proposed/rejected+reason
- If elected do candidates have to phisicaly go anywhere
- where can i see a list of CSM Elected & Candidates when the election starts
- what is the influence/importance of CSM in regards to CCP considering they represent customers & theire views
- what is the main population type in the CSM (ie care bears,allied, independent,PVP,miner, industrialist) & what proportions of each ( in %)

1. Jita Park forum
2. Assembly Hall forum
3. again, in the Assembly Hall
4. Elected members are expected to go to iceland for a face to face discussion once during the 6month term
5. it used to be found in the CSM section to the left, but it seems to have dissappeared. If you check eve-csm.com (hosted by Serenity Steele), there's a list on there.
6. CSM submits issues they think are relevant to ccp, ccp answers those issues. As to how important the CSM: think of it as a filter to put forward issues from the community rather than CCP having to read every thread and listen to every idea (no matter how insane)
7. pretty much every play style is covered by the various members.
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen

Long story short - the enactment of the 21 year old rule has been postponed and will take effect for the 3rd CSM. Anyone, under the age of 21, will not be eligible for the third installment of the CSM.

Many questions have been posed in regards to the age and why it is at 21. First off, the age limit is due to legal reasons like has been stated before. There is no other reason behind it.

The reason for number, 21, is transparency and simplicity. The Age of Majority varies between nations, and it even varies within a nation. Having a clause stating that you have to be of the Age of Majority is not sufficient, as a person born in Mississippi state (and having a passport issued there) in the US and living in Scotland will present us with a bit of a problem. The Age of Majority in Mississippi is 21, in Scotland it is 16 and further more, in Iceland it is 18. (all according to Wikipedia). Which age should be used? The simplest solution was to take the highest Age of Majority and use that - to prevent any confusion.

I hope this solution is one that is acceptable.

What if a 16 year old have parrents permission :P]]> Fri, 10 Oct 2009 01:45:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8913173 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Danny Centurai]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#62

Originally by: Kaaii

Can anyone tell me, in a nutshell, what the first CSM's accomplished?

They argued over Jade a lot except from that noone is really sure. :D
]]> Thu, 9 Oct 2009 00:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8906109 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Kaaii]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=3#61
Can anyone tell me, in a nutshell, what the first CSM's accomplished?

According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there.
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- Where can i see / inquiry about issues that the CSM will push for (theire agenda)
- Where can i propose ideas to CSM/CCP
- Is there any public records of what was proposed/rejected+reason
- If elected do candidates have to phisicaly go anywhere
- where can i see a list of CSM Elected & Candidates when the election starts
- what is the influence/importance of CSM in regards to CCP considering they represent customers & theire views
- what is the main population type in the CSM (ie care bears,allied, independent,PVP,miner, industrialist) & what proportions of each ( in %)

i am a customer .
]]> Wed, 8 Oct 2009 20:49:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8905019 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Bull Frog]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#59 Your signature has been proven to be the cause of node crashes and immense lag. -Kreul Intentions]]> Wed, 8 Oct 2009 16:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8903273 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Treelox]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#58

Originally by: LaVista Vista

Originally by: acwdc78
What are the requirements for the position other than age?
Be able to pay for travel? Time? Contracts?
etc

The trip is covered by CCP. But you HAVE to be able to take out a weekend of your time to go to Iceland.

You also gotta be able to take time out of your calendar to be active as a CSM member. That's extremely important.

And you gotta sign a NDA.

Dont forget the current valid passport with your application.....]]> Fri, 3 Oct 2009 21:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8875051 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by LaVista Vista]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#57

Originally by: acwdc78

What are the requirements for the position other than age?
Be able to pay for travel? Time? Contracts?
etc

]]> Fri, 3 Oct 2009 20:18:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8874632 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by acwdc78]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#56 Be able to pay for travel? Time? Contracts?
etc

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Might I suggest a Sticky Thread in General Discussion.

p.s. Oz I still wub you, eve if mods did nerf my love showing sig for you....

p.s.s. kudos to LV for being unaged nerfed. Now I will have to figure out another ploy for his defeat.
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Many questions have been posed in regards to the age and why it is at 21. First off, the age limit is due to legal reasons like has been stated before. There is no other reason behind it.

The reason for number, 21, is transparency and simplicity. The Age of Majority varies between nations, and it even varies within a nation. Having a clause stating that you have to be of the Age of Majority is not sufficient, as a person born in Mississippi state (and having a passport issued there) in the US and living in Scotland will present us with a bit of a problem. The Age of Majority in Mississippi is 21, in Scotland it is 16 and further more, in Iceland it is 18. (all according to Wikipedia). Which age should be used? The simplest solution was to take the highest Age of Majority and use that - to prevent any confusion.

I hope this solution is one that is acceptable.
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Reducing lag in EVE: The Jita Conundrum - StacklessIO or: How We Reduced Lag - Such Stuff As Dreams Are Made On - EVE64 - More to come...]]> Fri, 3 Oct 2009 16:30:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8873418 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Deej Montana]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#50
As with any new endeavor things were a bit rocky at times, but in the end it seems that a lot of important issues were raised and passed from the players through the CSM onto CCP for consideration.

As a player who regularly reads, but doesn't often post on the forums, I've seen a ton of animosity and vitriol thrown around regarding the CSM. To balance that out a tiny bit I just wanted to say "thank you" to all CSM delegates and to CCP. The process had some flaws and can certainly be improved upon, but IMO this first session of the CSM was a very good start.
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]]> Wed, 1 Oct 2009 01:58:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8856047 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Threv Echandari]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#48
As for not Enumerting HOW the CSMs have made an impact. I think you are dead wrong. If the CSMs made and Impact than it should be clearly spelled out. As others have stated knowing "What works and What doesn't" with respect to the kind of input that you need keeps future CSMs from reinventing the wheel. If CCP Decides to change course or Go Down a Diffrent path So be it. Explain your Decisions in Devblog and deal with what follows. The CSM is Good idea but WE the players can't tell how effective it is because CCP won't give us feedback then the players will cease to care and this grand experiment will whither away because no will will believe (lacking any corroboration on Your part) that they did anything.

Lack of Feedback is your users's biggest complaint (behind lag) and is the easiest one to Fix. It just needs a willingness on your part to not be so close to the vest. It's not you are a publicly traded company where your stock price will fall if you deliver bad news. Many players may not like what you have to say but if they are going to vote with their wallets they will do so regardless of whether its news from a blog or the implementation of a feature. Let us know HOW the CSMs affected your thinking and let us be the judge of their actions, after all we elected them.

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]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2009 16:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8852265 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Tharim]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#47

Originally by: CCP Xhagen

The age limit was introduced because of practical legal reasons (and no other reason), as to sign a legal contract like the NDA is, one has to have reached the 'Age of Majority'. Needless to say I got very funny looks when people learned that there was no age limit for the CSM.
The agelimit is not connected to Lavista Vista in any way, form or fashion. His work has been superb.

As for the content of the devblog - we decided not to name specific topics brought up by the CSM and where they were in the development plan because a) we foresaw a less-than-ideal competition between CSMs where 'A did more than B', b) the longterm gameplay issues that were discusses can not be put into a single line in patch notes c) enumerating topics would also lead to stating the time of implementation, ultimately leading to finger-pointing at us or the CSM in question when the schedule changes. It is our believe that pointing fingers doesn't really solve anything.

I realize that my above paragraph might be considered to be worded in a cold and a harsh manner, I'd rather want to think it was phrased honestly. The CSM has influence - it is that simple.

And furthermore, the unfortunate lack of 'CSM-delegate' forumtag is a technical matter that became apparent when I started the new election cycle. It does not mean that the current CSM has been removed - it is simply a technical glitch related to our efforts to protect the identity of the altcharacters on the delegates' accounts; it is no problem to flag the user as being a CSM delegate and thus give it the tag, but that would reveal all the characters on that account - thus each and every character had to be flagged and that is technically more complicated (I'm told Embarassed

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Eh,whats wrong with fingerpointing? Wasnt this supposed to be so cool and democratic? Isnt the ability to see what your elected candidate actually does, and then point the finger if he/she doesnt do it right, one of the cornerstones of a democracy? I vote for fingerpointing.]]> Tue, 30 Sep 2009 16:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8851921 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Herschel Yamamoto]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#46

Originally by: Kalvor Azrael

Yes, but at the time that the US Constitution was written, the legal structure around ages of majority and ages of voting was far different than it is today. Voting rights were primarily based on property, not age(or gender, for that matter - women were not explicitly barred from voting in most countries until the mid 19th century). Now, the massively bigoted nature of property law 150+ years ago did have a similar effect, but there were next to no age requirements anywhere.

Thus, Madison et al decided to make explicit age requirements, instead of leaving it up to the really chaotic system that existed at the time. They made rules on who eligible electors were up to the States, by making them identical to the rules on the electors for the largest house of the State's legislature ("The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.") but they made eligibility for the positions explicit, in large part to be able to embed residency requirements(and in the case of the President, birth requirements) to address their concerns about possible foreign undermining of the electoral system.

Given the difficulty of amending the Constitution, these requirements have never been changed, leaving them a rather outdated and confusing fix to a system that was broken 221 years ago.

Jonhill was wrong, and you were right to call him on it. But that doesn't mean that the age requirements in the US Constitution are something that CCP should be emulating.
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CSM: your support is needed !]]> Sat, 27 Sep 2009 18:47:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8834480 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Mallikanth]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#44
a) No CSM at all
b) A CSM whos influence, although limited, is deemed to have some effect? (Otherwise why bother?)

I vote for point b
I seem to be in fanboy mode today and yet another well done CCP post from moi. ugh

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If there is anything good that came out of the CSM would be the concentration of discussions as well a shoving a lot of important topics into CCP's court. At least you have a fair shot at getting your viewpoint heard instead of CCP choosing to ignore it. Too bad that the majority of CCP's reactions were overdue or even lacking. If anything they need to step it up with the 2nd batch of CSM.
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yeah, ill be attempting to run again v0v

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Originally by: Kalvor Azrael

Thats all well and good, however, the first election was done with the approval of CCP knowing LVV's age. He asked them first. If they said no, he would not have been voted in already. To redact their prior decision appears foolhardy.

I understand going forward new rules may wish to be added, but there is no reason to cut off someone whos done a very good job of not only representing but of organizing, clarifying and quantifying issues.

]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 22:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8830196 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Kalvor Azrael]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#39

Originally by: Jonhill Gallent

However if that is truly the legal position you have to take under Icelandic law then under the same rules surely you will have to ban account holders that are under 21 from voting as well?
I know of no democratic system in the world that allows participation in the vote but forbids membership of the elected body.

Allow me to point you to Article 1 of the United States Constitution, which describes the powers of the legislative branch as well as qualifications needed. Amongst them are:

"No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years....

and

"No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years"

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]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 18:02:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8828979 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Daelin Blackleaf]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#37

Originally by: blog

The short answer is yes. A slightly longer answer is that already have we been shown that we have a slightly different take on certain aspects of EVE than the players do; on other aspects we were on the same page as players. The alternative view provided by the CSM did thus change how we think about a lot of things while convincing us that we were heading in the right direction in other areas.

This is good to hear.

Originally by: blog
We decided against enumerating the CSM's accomplishments - this is not a ****ing contest. We know they made a difference and we are confident that the council will continue to make a difference.

This however, while I understand the reasoning behind it, will sound to many a casual reader like "they did stuff, but we're not telling you what" which is often taken to mean "they didn't do anything but we don't want to look stupid".

If you want the community to believe that the CSM is having a positive effect then we need to hear about what is being achieved even if we will have to wait a year to see it. Listing a few key ways in which the CSM has improved the game for the majority of players is not engaging in a "****ing contest" it's evidence that the entire thing is not a waste of time, effort, and money beyond the publicity generated.
]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 17:49:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8828929 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Bane Glorious]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#36 Fri, 26 Sep 2009 17:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8828723 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by DigitalCommunist]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#35

Originally by: CCP Xhagen

As for the content of the devblog - we decided not to name specific topics brought up by the CSM and where they were in the development plan because a) we foresaw a less-than-ideal competition between CSMs where 'A did more than B', b) the longterm gameplay issues that were discusses can not be put into a single line in patch notes c) enumerating topics would also lead to stating the time of implementation, ultimately leading to finger-pointing at us or the CSM in question when the schedule changes. It is our believe that pointing fingers doesn't really solve anything.

Xhagen,

a) If some CSMs have a greater impact than others, then its a good thing. I didn't agree with most of them, but if one vision was dominant then its better than mixing/matching a lot of wildly different paths. Maybe future CSMs will learn what ideas are pointless to suggest, and what to aim for. You're protecting their feelings after they've just been flamed by half the community.

b) So put them in a blog?

c) Actually, pointing a finger in the direction the company and game are moving does solve a big problem with communication. You're essentially avoiding details and specifics because it might be too uncomfortable or difficult in the future when something changes. Yes, you'll hear a verbal shitstorm if you drop or delay something, but the silence of a hundred thousand disgruntled players that have nothing to talk about (besides there being nothing to talk about) isn't a better alternative.
]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 16:25:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8828526 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by SPIONKOP]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#34
Since the CSM started Dev presence on the boards has almost become non-existant and hardly any dev blogs of substance to read.

I am not sure the intention was a dev black out but the CSM is a poor substitue for real information more of a smoke screen I fear.

I congratulate the CSM for achieving everything I thought it would achieve and lets face it the next CSM can hardly fail to do anyworse but I suspect it will be consistant and achieve much the same.

Sweet FA

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]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 15:52:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8828525 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Richard Angevian]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#33
Bad news: There will be another CSM.

Look, I see the CSM as a complete waste of time and a complete waste of money. If you really want to find out what your players want, take that money and spend it on PROFESSIONALS to poll/survey us in a scientific, accurate way.

A bunch of ass clowns elected by the superpower blocs is NOT going to represent us in any meaningful way, as the first CSM proved.

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]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 15:17:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8828159 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by SencneS]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=2#31
If there is no age condition on the NDA, then I'm sorry to say CCP can go shove it. The documentation signed by a parent or legal guardian would suffer any legal action from CCP if you or the signer broke the NDA...

The next is a a grandfather policy, does the NDA current and one signed have a grandfather policy. As it stands right now YOU are currently and will always be bound by the NDA. Which means you don't have to sign another one, unless the NDA specifically says the NDA expires the moment you are not a CSM which put bluntly would be the most stupid NDA in existence. So I highly doubt, no I KNOW it will not have such a foolish policy.

Lastly... I take people to this - Win a tour of CCP Headquarters.
I take it since CCP legal department is so worried about legally binding NDA and age of majority that someone under the age of 21 will have absolutely NO CHANCE of winning this tour.. I mean after all I'm sure the winner will have to sign an NDA and since the NDA will most likely be exactly the same as the NDA a CSM signs I see no difference..

So CCP are you also going to put in the stipulation that you need to be 21 to win the tour?

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Originally by: CCP Xhagen

If you look back over your dev blog threads from back in the spring, this was pointed out by a fair few players. Yet this point was brought up a few times during the that thread back in the spring. You chose to ignore its importance, where CCP's lawyers even asked for their opinion?

Examples 1 ... 2 ... 3

LV, since Xhagen implies that your NDA is not legally binding, might I suggest you start an auction amongst their competition. :P

Originally by: CCP Xhagen
The agelimit is not connected to Lavista Vista in any way, form or fashion. His work has been superb.

Ahh but it is, connected to LV since he is the one most directly being effected by this change in policy. He asked as did a few others when you first published that dev blog back on March 18th if age was an issue even considering the legal implications of a NDA. You didnt see it as a problem then, and now you do?? It sure seems while even if not intended it is connected towards LV as he has already started the ground work for he his re-election. Especially considering that he has the advantage, which you have just cut out from underneath his legs, of being an incumbent canidate.

In all fairness you really should grandfather him in. This new age limit should only really apply to future canidates and council memebers, not current ones.
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Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre

Whilst this might, at first sight, seem a solution it would only take a moment until someone pointed out that this is an internet game and thus local legalities shouldn't get in the way to such an extent that if you are 19 in the 'wrong' country you get penalised. And I'd agree with that view. I'd also like to think that will all the pre-nomination effort LVV has been putting in to his second run at the CSM he'd get the chance to do so though I can very much understand the legal view on this. (That the NDA was signed on his behalf holds no legal water in that *he* cannot be punished for releasing protected information, only the person who signed the NDA on his behalf; he as an individual is free of the NDA obligations and, yes, it is a great pity that this wasn't in place the first time around.)

So far as what the first incarnation of the CSM may or may not have succeeded at, I believe it has accomplished much. Not only in game mechanics and implementation of new ideas, but in the generation of a new motivation by CCP Devs and management in how we as players view this universe we 'live' in. As Xhagen has noted, and any analyst or programmer will have experienced, what the developer of a product or piece of software thinks is how it works is very rarely the way the actual users of that product truly make use of it, and EVE is no different in that respect.

I'm not standing for a second term this time around. Each person is limited to two 'sessions' on the Council and I want to see some of our efforts come to fruition before standing again (and just maybe because I'd like to see others get lashed at by the forum *****s who complain so much but won't shut up or put up) but I believe there is a very positive future for the Council in its next incarnation, and the one after, etc etc. I hope that the work we've done will inspire new candidates from all corners of the 'verse to come forward and seek election; the wide range of backgrounds and experience in the first CSM was made it (mostly) work, and imho that is needed again for the best benefit of all pilots.

The members of this CSM will be at FanFest and will be happy to talk with everyone. If you are going to throw things at us please not rotten fruit but support for what we've tried to do. It has, in many ways, been a pretty thankless task, and we've given over a lot of our otherwise 'free' time to do our job (and had far less time to be 'active in pod' as a result too). Feel free to buy us drinks though ;-P

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My principles
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen
The age limit was introduced because of practical legal reasons (and no other reason), as to sign a legal contract like the NDA is, one has to have reached the 'Age of Majority'. Needless to say I got very funny looks when people learned that there was no age limit for the CSM.
The agelimit is not connected to Lavista Vista in any way, form or fashion. His work has been superb.

All you would need to do is stipulate that any candidate must meet the Age of Majority in both their own country AND in Iceland (So For Example, a Scotsman (AoM = 16) would need to be 18 to Apply as thats the AoM for Iceland, while someone from Singapore would need to be 21 as thats the Legal AoM in that country.)

Meanwhile, for Example, LVV is a Danish Citizen (AoM = 18) and so would be eligable to run provided his candidacy began after his 18th Birthday.

Edit: As LVV stipulated above, the NDA was signed on his behalf as he was below the AoM at the time, why is this being rejected as an option for future?

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Originally by: CCP Xhagen

I'm of course flattered by the kinds works. But I can't help but trying to think of it this way, for the benefit of the community and integrity of this virtual democracy that has been established.

According to that wiki page, the age of majority in Iceland is 18.
Also, the NDA has been signed on behalf of me. If there actually was any problems with that, I must assume my candidacy should have been rejected in the first place. So it seems to me like you are putting an arbitary limit(3 years older than needed), that you are trying to fix something which is working fine and that it's simply because people gave you funny looks.

I'm disappointed that we went a long way to actually make the CSM into an virtual democracy, where everybody is equal as long as they have an active account. Things worked fine. But people's prejudice had to change this.
The CSM was given tons of PR by being a diverse range of people, all the way from computer science students to big bosses from international companies.

I think it's really harsh to put it this way. I'm idealist, lets say that. However, I think there's a grain of truth.

Quote:
As for the content of the devblog - we decided not to name specific topics brought up by the CSM and where they were in the development plan because a) we foresaw a less-than-ideal competition between CSMs where 'A did more than B', b) the longterm gameplay issues that were discusses can not be put into a single line in patch notes c) enumerating topics would also lead to stating the time of implementation, ultimately leading to finger-pointing at us or the CSM in question when the schedule changes. It is our believe that pointing fingers doesn't really solve anything.

I can understand this. But you are now assuming people will put forward incorrect assumptions. If people do start going down this path, they just be corrected as for how it works.

But I understand that there will always be trolls. But if we want to screen ourselves from them by not giving the community the ability to be convinced of the influence that the CSM indeed has, then it's a prove that the community is fundamtentally broken. Not that I think it can be easily fixed, but it could helped quite a bit by improving CCP's communication with the player base. Lots of trolling happens because of the lack of communication that's been going on for the last 1-2 years. I think CSM has helped a bit, but the CSM has been the target of a lot of this trolling too.

You don't convince anybody by waving the hand and stating: "The CSM has influence", despite how much I agree with you Xhagen. There NEEDS to be proof. Be it by tagging in patch-notes or some good answers to our issues, you decide.

I'm sorry if I come off as slightly bitter. I'm very happy that I did indeed get this one chance to get the CSM started off properly. It's just a shame it had to turn out this way.

]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 12:53:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8827362 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by CCP Xhagen]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=1#25 Age of Majority'. Needless to say I got very funny looks when people learned that there was no age limit for the CSM.
The agelimit is not connected to Lavista Vista in any way, form or fashion. His work has been superb.

As for the content of the devblog - we decided not to name specific topics brought up by the CSM and where they were in the development plan because a) we foresaw a less-than-ideal competition between CSMs where 'A did more than B', b) the longterm gameplay issues that were discusses can not be put into a single line in patch notes c) enumerating topics would also lead to stating the time of implementation, ultimately leading to finger-pointing at us or the CSM in question when the schedule changes. It is our believe that pointing fingers doesn't really solve anything.

I realize that my above paragraph might be considered to be worded in a cold and a harsh manner, I'd rather want to think it was phrased honestly. The CSM has influence - it is that simple.

And furthermore, the unfortunate lack of 'CSM-delegate' forumtag is a technical matter that became apparent when I started the new election cycle. It does not mean that the current CSM has been removed - it is simply a technical glitch related to our efforts to protect the identity of the altcharacters on the delegates' accounts; it is no problem to flag the user as being a CSM delegate and thus give it the tag, but that would reveal all the characters on that account - thus each and every character had to be flagged and that is technically more complicated (I'm told Embarassed

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Originally by: Ethidium Bromide

when you have thousands of people coming to you with ideas every day on how to do it (not just 'pink spaceships' shit) and what they want and how it might but must not influence them etc. then i guess 3 years is a pretty good time.

if you have good planning, thousands of people coming with ideas is not a problem, more if you don't hear them, which is the case. Actually how much of what was spected for FW has been implemented? Seriouslly how much newq code can you see behind it? You seriouslly think that got 3 years to develop?

I understand the ideosincracy of MMORPGs and that's why we all give a bit mroe of maneouver space to CCP (and other houses I suppose), but still is sad that it got 3 years to implement FW in the current stage when it could have been a real big thing.
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Originally by: Uzume Ame

No, sadlly he stands correct, CCP is subpar when it comes to shedulles and implementation in gaming industry (which is allready bad enough compared to other industries, no excuses sorry). I can't blame they probably have a poorly developed engine from the beginning (maybe it would be best to rework the engine totally at this point with current experience as a paralel project, EVE 2.0) and adding any small feature takes ages, I don't know the quality of their team currentlly, can't judge, but from an outsider and paying customer it looks like... bad. They "just" had a nice idea and it worked and have stayed in competition because, well, they have no competition.

Hopefully that will change someday and then CCP better wake up.

tbh maybe this is just me and i find it rather ridiculous to compare the whole gaming industry with some engineering branch wher you have a fixed goal and decades of experience to work with as well as established tools and methods.

also i think it is subpar to compare games like spore (the only online part in spore is importing files to fill the 'universe' at least the only online part i have sen when watching friends play) and eve (an mmorpg with a sandbox approach).

if you develope a game that simply goes a straight line 3 years for an add on might well be too much.
when you have thousands of people coming to you with ideas every day on how to do it (not just 'pink spaceships' shit) and what they want and how it might but must not influence them etc. then i guess 3 years is a pretty good time.

Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

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Hopefully that will change someday and then CCP better wake up.
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia

Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 26/09/2008 08:57:55
The best bit:-

Quote:

"for example factional warfare took 3 years to develop"

Living proof that you guys indeed suck as designers, as programmers, as project managers.

All factional warfare was was a very minor addition to the warfare mechanics already in play.

It takes 5 years to develop a main title such as MASS EFFECT, including the graphic engine! It took 4 years to develop SPORE. Infact Maxis made 16 seperate versions of the same game and took it to beta before picking the one they though the most people would like.

It took you 3 years to develop a simple add on pack for this game? Admit it! You suck.

it is sad people like you have a vote here and in rl.

you are obviously what's wrong with the world.

Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 10:38:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8826707 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by TimGascoigne]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=1#18 This time I reckon that there will be less campaigning on personality and more emphasis on policies. Which should not be a hard task since most candidates last time did not seem to have a manifesto.
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Originally by: Sopha Serpentia

Edited by: Sopha Serpentia on 26/09/2008 08:57:55
The best bit:-

Quote:

"for example factional warfare took 3 years to develop"

Your post is so full of fail that it is not even funny to rip it apart.

I mean, you have to be completely ignorant to all the other stuff besides factional warfare that CCP has added to the game over those three years. Not the least a new graphic engine.
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The best bit:-

Quote:

"for example factional warfare took 3 years to develop"

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CCP please look at mining agent mining mission %..... I want better than 60% mining missions from a mining agent =(]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 08:12:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8826157 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Mr Horizontal]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=1#13

Originally by: LaVista Vista

Originally by: Treelox
Quote:
the biggest change is the 21 year age limit to be a valid candidate.

Will this rule be grandfathered in, specifically in regards to LaVista Vista?

I might as well get that question answered now, to forestall any rabble rabble that might occur once the elections start up again, and a part of the electorate feels slighted that they can not vote back in for a second term someone they feel was an effective representive.

I really couldn't tell you. But my feeling is no.

But sadly CCP has not even had the courtesey to let us know why this rule was enforced, since age proved to not be a problem at all. They haven't bothered replying to my emails either.

So yeah, I was quite devastated to be informed that this was the case. But what can I do ugh

This is... really somewhat unfortunate and a little shortsighted too. After all the next expansion is MIDAS - all about industry, and LV is the champion delegate of exactly that area.

While I understand that the notion of a 21 age limit perhaps should be in place, I think in LV's case a clause 'except whereby people under this age have already held office in a previous CSM' should be added.

LV: raise it as an issue in the assembly, so we can vote about it.

Director | www.eve-bank.net]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 07:31:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8826005 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Treelox]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=1#12 Edited by: Treelox on 26/09/2008 07:22:24

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Treelox
Quote:
the biggest change is the 21 year age limit to be a valid candidate.

Will this rule be grandfathered in, specifically in regards to LaVista Vista?

I might as well get that question answered now, to forestall any rabble rabble that might occur once the elections start up again, and a part of the electorate feels slighted that they can not vote back in for a second term someone they feel was an effective representive.

I really couldn't tell you. But my feeling is no.

But sadly CCP has not even had the courtesey to let us know why this rule was enforced, since age proved to not be a problem at all. They haven't bothered replying to my emails either.

So yeah, I was quite devastated to be informed that this was the case. But what can I do

Sadly this seems like a personal nerf directed against your re-election. As anyone familar with politics knows the incumbant always stands a better chance at being elected(baring ethics issues) than a "newcomer". Since if I remeber correctly this NERF applies only to you out of the current batch, it seems that CCP is trying their hardest to covertly not allow you on the next council.

Maybe I tinfoil too much, maybe I stuck a grain of truth. Whichever the case may be, I really, without detailed reasoning from CCP on this change in policy, fail to see this as anything but a blatant ploy to stop you from being on the 2nd CSM.

What are they afraid of? A 17 year old Dane?

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Originally by: Treelox

Quote:
the biggest change is the 21 year age limit to be a valid candidate.

Will this rule be grandfathered in, specifically in regards to LaVista Vista?

I might as well get that question answered now, to forestall any rabble rabble that might occur once the elections start up again, and a part of the electorate feels slighted that they can not vote back in for a second term someone they feel was an effective representive.

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maybe i'll run for the second term butnjust for giggles but with only my own vote i'd look sad Very Happy

Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

]]> Fri, 26 Sep 2009 07:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8825963 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by Franga]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817&page=1#9 Edited by: Franga on 26/09/2008 02:53:06
There was no mention here of what has happened thanks to the input of the CSM.

There's alot of flowery language and positive 'vibe', but not alot of concrete proof or evidence of things being affected because the CSM exists. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not pointing the finger at the CSM and saying they haven't done anything.

I'm saying the dev-blog is crap. It's alot of words with no substance.

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Originally by: Synapse Archae

Edited by: Synapse Archae on 26/09/2008 01:29:36
WHERES THE BEEF?

At least mention some things the CSM brought up that are actully on the schedule now. Even if its just the schedule to be scheduled to be considered for possible development, maybe.

This dev blog feels empty.

It feels empty cuz the list of CSM accomplishments is empty.

Originally by: Karanth
That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.

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WHERES THE BEEF?

At least mention some things the CSM brought up that are actully on the schedule now. Even if its just the schedule to be scheduled to be considered for possible development, maybe.

This dev blog feels empty.

Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.

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the biggest change is the 21 year age limit to be a valid candidate.

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Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
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Originally by: StinkFinger

Hopefully the second csm panel does a better job.

Maybe if you take your finger out of where-it-stinks and VOTE, it will!

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Originally by: Karanth
That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.

]]> Thu, 25 Sep 2009 23:21:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8824493 <![CDATA[New Dev Blog by Xhagen, first CSM is coming to an end - by CCP Wrangler]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882817 First CSM term close to ending, warming up for the second one!

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