EVE-Search ForumWatch http://eve-search.com/ The alternative EVE-Online Forum browser. en-us Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 EVE-Search RSS Module v1.1 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Dmian]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#29 Kinesis, Maltron and 888ergodirect.com
And there are more places to get an ergonomic keyboard on the internet.
Back in the days when I was a Mac user, I used to have an Apple Adjustable Keyboard. Was pretty nice, really. Today a gel wrist rest is more than enough for me.

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]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 20:59:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8245682 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by CCP Whisper]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#28 Originally by: Bish Ounen
3) Non-membrane-style key response - Basically, you are looking for mechanical key switches. Similar to the old IBM "Model M" keyboard response. This is basically IMPOSSIBLE to find in a modern keyboard, unless you want to buy a DasKeyboard, or an expensive model M knockoff.


That was a phrasing error on my part. I was referring to the fact that the NightOwl looks like its keycaps consist of one continuous silicon membrane, similar to those roll-up, flexible keyboards you see touted in novelty gadget shops. Those are useless to type on. Keyboard mechanics can still be the normal membrane PCB type, although mechanical switches are very cool and I miss using my IBM model M battleship keyboard very much.

Originally by: Bish Ounen
The problem here is that you have taken the three MOST difficult to find items, in ascending order of difficulty, and combined them to make the "Triptych of Impossible to Find Keyboards". I suppose You'll be asking for wireless Bluetooth capability next. Rolling Eyes

To be blunt, you are NOT going to find this. You can settle for one out of three or MAYBE two out of three, but you are NOT going to get all three unless you fabricate it yourself. Sorry.


We live in a time where it is possible, given enough time and effort, to locate someone who can manufacture anything to spec. What I am looking for in a keyboard is indeed a specialised subset of features, and I do not expect this to be easy to find, nor do I expect this to be cheap to purchase. As it stands, the MS Wireless Entertainment Desktop 8000 has most of what I am looking for, but it is wireless (bluetooth enabled wireless nonetheless) and comes with a mouse I do not need. Nor am I convinced that the curve of the keys is enough to meet my demands. So I am not about to part with the money for one just yet.

The fact that that set is on the market does however give me hope that somewhere out there is a manufacturer, either large scale or bespoke, who can make me the keyboard I am looking for. It's of course going to take some time to find them, but I might as well make use of all the information gathering mechanisms at my disposal, and I include OOPE in that because the residents of this forum section have proven themselves to know a lot about weird hardware.

Regarding the lack of presence of ergonomic keyboards, I respectfully disagree. I have found between one to five other people using one of these in every workplace I have been in so far. Within CCP Iceland there appear to be as many as 10% of our office using them. Now I am not going to claim that the userbase within CCP is representative of the entire world's potential keyboard users. I merely make the point that this form of keyboard is perhaps more popular than you may think. They're admittedly strangely uncomfortable when you first start using them, but once you get over that you never go back. Don't need to be a touch typist to use them either as many seem to think. I never learned to touch type and my personal typing style adapted quickly to the split layout.
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destroy everything you touch]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 18:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8244314 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Bish Ounen]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#26
1) Ergonomic - Not many of these around, as many people find them NOT "ergonomic" and actually more uncomfortable to use. Myself included.

2) Backlit Keys - Cool feature, largely confined to the "gamer" market and Apple laptops.

3) Non-membrane-style key response - Basically, you are looking for mechanical key switches. Similar to the old IBM "Model M" keyboard response. This is basically IMPOSSIBLE to find in a modern keyboard, unless you want to buy a DasKeyboard, or an expensive model M knockoff.

The problem here is that you have taken the three MOST difficult to find items, in ascending order of difficulty, and combined them to make the "Triptych of Impossible to Find Keyboards". I suppose You'll be asking for wireless Bluetooth capability next. Rolling Eyes

To be blunt, you are NOT going to find this. You can settle for one out of three or MAYBE two out of three, but you are NOT going to get all three unless you fabricate it yourself. Sorry.
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]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 17:48:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8244234 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by CCP Whisper]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#24 Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
i'm using keyboards 8 hours a day at work and then some more at home playing games..
i was always afraid of the ergonomic keyboards tbh and have not tried one yet.
one question: might it help with the pain in my shoulders to use one?



Well the reason I switched to an ergonomic keyboard was that I developed the early signs of RSI. I found that when switching to the ergonomic layout the pains in my wrists, forearms and shoulders all reduced quite considerably. Hard to gauge how much of this was due to the keyboard though as I generally improved my posture, started stretching better and got some physiotherapy at the same time. But I find the ergonomic keyboards a lot more comfortable to work with for longer.
]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 10:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8241172 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Slade Trillgon]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#25 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 07/07/2008 10:25:30
Originally by: Ethidium Bromide
i'm using keyboards 8 hours a day at work and then some more at home playing games..
i was always afraid of the ergonomic keyboards tbh and have not tried one yet.
one question: might it help with the pain in my shoulders to use one?



Raise your seat a little bit to relieve your shoulder. Sitting to low puts your shoulder into a flexed position. When the shoulder is in a flexed position it decreases the size of the joint space, thus increasing the likelihood of aggravating pre-existing shoulder issues.

As for an ergonomic keyboard relieving shoulder pain, I doubt it would have little effect on your shoulders. The only thing is that it could potentially aggravate or diminish shoulder symptoms due to internal or external rotation of the shoulder associated with hand position. But I highly doubt this.


Slade

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Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 08:42:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8240730 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Sothis Antares]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#22 Originally by: Abbadon
NightOwl

ugh


the ugliest website i ever saw Neutral and the keyboard pretty much seems to be unusable for me Razz
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]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8240729 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Ethidium Bromide]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#21 i was always afraid of the ergonomic keyboards tbh and have not tried one yet.
one question: might it help with the pain in my shoulders to use one?


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]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 08:21:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8240653 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by QwaarJet]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#20 Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Ew, ergonomic keyboards... Neutral


This. Can't stand ergonomic keyboards.


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Buy yourself a normal Ergonomic keyboard, get out the 2000w Co2 Laser Engraver (every home should have one, look under the stairs.) and cut out the letters on the keys...

Then, backlight it yourself using LEDs of your choice! You'll probably win an award for the first backlit ergonomic keyboard that doesn't look like a Fisher Price toy. *coughnightowlcough*
]]> Mon, 7 Jul 2009 06:59:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8240364 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Dmian]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#18 Saitek Cyborg
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]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 20:13:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8237627 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by CCP Whisper]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#17 Originally by: Abbadon
NightOwl

ugh


Ok, that is pretty damn close to what I am looking for...might actually pick one up to see how it is to work with. Biggest concern would be what the keys are like. If it is splash-proof then it's likely that this is a membrane keyboard, with the associated spongy typing experience. Yes, I am picky. But hey, this is a device I use almost ten hours a day on average. Want it to be as comfortable to use as possible. Smile
]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 17:33:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8236564 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Abbadon]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#16 NightOwl

ugh
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]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 14:37:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8235436 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by LaVista Vista]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#15 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton


ewww salad!

A+. Very well done.

Now to the question:

I have a logitech Wave. It works fairly well. But I would like a bit more of an angle so my hands are more comfortable.

]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 11:00:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8234128 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Chainsaw Plankton]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#14 Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Ew, ergonomic keyboards... Neutral

Ew, non-ergonomic keyboards... Neutral

The above quote is a bit like "Ew, that stuff is healthy. I want something that is 90% fat and 10% calories. I don't care about health."


ewww salad! (like that?)

back on topic, my friend had a keyboard like that years ago and it screwed with my head so bad at first, but I must say I would like one now, although the standard keyboards haven't seemed to be much of a problem, at least yet Twisted Evil

]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 10:42:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8234020 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by LaVista Vista]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#13 Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Ew, ergonomic keyboards... Neutral

Ew, non-ergonomic keyboards... Neutral

The above quote is a bit like "Ew, that stuff is healthy. I want something that is 90% fat and 10% calories. I don't care about health."

]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 09:00:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8233558 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Xen Gin]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#12 Edited by: Xen Gin on 06/07/2008 03:03:18
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Suze'Rain
I'm afraid "illuminated keyboard" just makes me think of a 15th century keyboard, with vellum keys with hand-painted, gold leaf covered letters....


Now that would also be awesome. As long as it has the ergonomic form factor. Smile

Originally by: Whintergrasp
Seriously, get a Logitech G11 Keyboard. It is just amazing. Smooth keystroke and you can choose between illuminated keys on or off. It is just a wonderful piece of logitech ;)


Tried it, and unfortunately the normal form factor is a dealbreaker, nice though the overall finish and quality is. If Logitech decided to make a G-series keyboard I would seriously buy a dozen...just to make sure I have a lifetime supply.


When MS decide that you deserve to buy what you are looking for rather than what they want you to buy, then you might get one.
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]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 01:37:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8232016 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by CCP Whisper]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#10 Originally by: Suze'Rain
I'm afraid "illuminated keyboard" just makes me think of a 15th century keyboard, with vellum keys with hand-painted, gold leaf covered letters....


Now that would also be awesome. As long as it has the ergonomic form factor. Smile

Originally by: Whintergrasp
Seriously, get a Logitech G11 Keyboard. It is just amazing. Smooth keystroke and you can choose between illuminated keys on or off. It is just a wonderful piece of logitech ;)


Tried it, and unfortunately the normal form factor is a dealbreaker, nice though the overall finish and quality is. If Logitech decided to make a G-series keyboard I would seriously buy a dozen...just to make sure I have a lifetime supply.
]]> Sun, 6 Jul 2009 01:17:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8231891 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Xen Gin]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#9 Edited by: Xen Gin on 06/07/2008 01:09:14
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Does anyone know of a manufacturer who produces something similar to the MS Natural Keyboard 4000 but with backlighting for the keys? Microsoft's wireless entertainment desktop 8000 is the only thing that I have come across and it does not look like it has enough curve in it. At least, the comfort curve desktop of theirs I tried a couple of years back did not work out. So yeah, any ideas? Or is someone out there crazy enough to build me one?


I've always thought of people who use those things as weird, you'd have to be, look at it, its a disgrace.

All curvy and stupid looking.

Mad as a hatter!
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Linkage
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
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]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2009 23:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8231459 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Meiyang Lee]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#6 Most gaming keyboards (which tend to be the backlit ones) aren't shaped like the MS natural, since that's ergonomic for typing and such rather than gaming.

]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2009 16:56:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8230107 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Suze'Rain]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#5 ]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2009 16:25:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8229055 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Viktor Fyretracker]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#4 ]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2009 16:00:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8229054 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by CCP Whisper]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#3 ]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2009 15:23:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8229053 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by Beshta]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138&page=1#2 ]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2009 15:01:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8229052 <![CDATA[Illuminated ergonomic keyboard - by CCP Whisper]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=815138 MS Natural Keyboard 4000 but with backlighting for the keys? Microsoft's wireless entertainment desktop 8000 is the only thing that I have come across and it does not look like it has enough curve in it. At least, the comfort curve desktop of theirs I tried a couple of years back did not work out. So yeah, any ideas? Or is someone out there crazy enough to build me one?
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