EVE-Search ForumWatch http://eve-search.com/ The alternative EVE-Online Forum browser. en-us Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000 EVE-Search RSS Module v1.0 chribba@evemail <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by techzer0]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=2#34 Originally by: Thelying dutchman
I have a solution!

don't get podded
WINNNER! I've lost two in the last year Very Happy
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster Very Happy
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221343 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Helison]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=2#33 Originally by: Freya Runestone
Originally by: Arpiter
Yes, I've petitioned, but i want to say twice today, with a fully up to date clone, I have lost SP when podded. I would have hoped we got an eve mail when SP are taken from us but it is done very stealthy apparently. How do i know i lost SP? Because my EVEMON shows me having more SP then my character sheet does in game shortly after being podded..i.e. evemon takes time to catch up, i guess. I'm sure this thread will get shut down and ill be called paranoid i hope this happens to no one else.
It's not a bug. IG character sheet almost never shows the full amount, the number shown only counts fully trained skill levels, so if you trained something and stopped it before it was done. character sheet will not count that, EVEMon will.

Clue should be that it didn't update after you restarted EVEMon, they display it differently. If you had lost SP it would be displayed once you restarted EVEMon.


This was the case in earlier times. Now the SP-amount updates, when you pause a skill and it shows the correct amount at login.

]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:20:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221342 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Thelying dutchman]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=2#32
don't get podded
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:02:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221341 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Andrue]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=2#31 Edited by: Andrue on 05/07/2008 08:33:09
Originally by: Lord Dracon
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
doesn't that seem a little ******ed too you then if something in game isn't displaying the correct amount of skill points?

but then again that's never stopped you guys before.


No, it doesn't. Accessing the databes to update the skillpoints on all characters in New Eden every 10 seconds would cause even more lag - that's why it isn't updated until you change skill / pause training ingame.
That isn't neccessary and I doubt it works like that.

Skills train at a given pace that can be mathematically predicted so any program can tell you your current SP second by second without accessing any database - that's how Evemon is doing it. It's also why you continue training during DT.

Technicaly you are never actively training. Instead there is a 'completion' time and you get awarded the level when that time is reached.

Dunno why CCP don't bother to show the second by second count but maybe they already have a lot of timers in the client and just decided not to bother.
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(Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)

[Brackley, UK]

My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:29:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221340 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by F'nog]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#30 Originally by: Aslann
Podded = lost implants = slower training = less skillpoints then predicted by EVEMon :o


Nope. If you lose implants, you continue to train a skill as if you still had them until it finishes training or you switch to a different skill. This too helps reduce DB calls.


Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff saidLaughing

Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! Smile /me bows
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:10:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221339 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by F'nog]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#29 Originally by: Faife
Edited by: Faife on 05/07/2008 04:17:44
Originally by: Tarn Reis

Way ahead of you Skunk. Faife, punctuation goes inside the quotations. Hard, I know, but that is how English works!


So here's me being a pedant: yes, you're absolutely right according to traditional American English rules.

However, in really modern grammar theory, this is being dropped. This is especially true in professional writing in Computer Science, which is where all my professional writing experience is, cause when you quote code it becomes difficult to tell whether the period is semantic or syntactic.

"Wow, that's fascinating", you say, "but I need an example". Don't worry baby bird, I'll feed you. Example:

... we can account for the YYYY/MM/DD format using the following regular expression: "\d\d\d\d\/[01]\d\/[0123]\d". ...

As you see, putting the period inside the quoted blob would make it look like you need an extra character in order to make the reg exp work.

So yes, you're correct traditionally, I'm consciously going with the wrong usage here. And no worries, my posts are always perfect in all ways.

Chiers.


In regular academia your example would still be incorrect, but your premise is valid. Nowadays, punctuation only goes inside the quotation marks if it is relevant to what is being quoted.

E.g.:

I asked him, "Did you see that movie?"

Did you see "Transformers"?

Pedantically yours,
F'nog


Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff saidLaughing

Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! Smile /me bows
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221338 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by techzer0]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#28 Originally by: Simon Barrow
Originally by: Sinetapf
Greyscale believe it or not you can get podded and lose sp even if your clone is updated... I have had this happen to me though the circumstances required will not happen often.


Anyone who has ever worked support for anything anywhere will call BS on that, you need proof, to easy for customers to feel like there is something wrong yet they have nothing in their hands.
I've heard of it happening to a guy who got podded a second time right after he updated his clone and undocked...

But then I couldn't confirm it because it wasn't me... he did stop flying command ships for a while though, so it may have actually happened (or he was just lying because he felt dumb)
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster Very Happy
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 06:23:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221337 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Princess Kyky]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#27 Originally by: Freya Runestone
Originally by: Arpiter
Yes, I've petitioned, but i want to say twice today, with a fully up to date clone, I have lost SP when podded. I would have hoped we got an eve mail when SP are taken from us but it is done very stealthy apparently. How do i know i lost SP? Because my EVEMON shows me having more SP then my character sheet does in game shortly after being podded..i.e. evemon takes time to catch up, i guess. I'm sure this thread will get shut down and ill be called paranoid i hope this happens to no one else.
It's not a bug. IG character sheet almost never shows the full amount, the number shown only counts fully trained skill levels, so if you trained something and stopped it before it was done. character sheet will not count that, EVEMon will.

Clue should be that it didn't update after you restarted EVEMon, they display it differently. If you had lost SP it would be displayed once you restarted EVEMon.


wtf are you on? if you pause a skill eve automatically updates the amount of SP you have, you do not need to complete the level
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]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 05:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221336 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Freya Runestone]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#26 Originally by: Arpiter
Yes, I've petitioned, but i want to say twice today, with a fully up to date clone, I have lost SP when podded. I would have hoped we got an eve mail when SP are taken from us but it is done very stealthy apparently. How do i know i lost SP? Because my EVEMON shows me having more SP then my character sheet does in game shortly after being podded..i.e. evemon takes time to catch up, i guess. I'm sure this thread will get shut down and ill be called paranoid i hope this happens to no one else.
It's not a bug. IG character sheet almost never shows the full amount, the number shown only counts fully trained skill levels, so if you trained something and stopped it before it was done. character sheet will not count that, EVEMon will.

Clue should be that it didn't update after you restarted EVEMon, they display it differently. If you had lost SP it would be displayed once you restarted EVEMon.
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:31:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221335 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Franga]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#25
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221334 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Faife]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#24 Edited by: Faife on 05/07/2008 04:17:44
Originally by: Tarn Reis

Way ahead of you Skunk. Faife, punctuation goes inside the quotations. Hard, I know, but that is how English works!


So here's me being a pedant: yes, you're absolutely right according to traditional American English rules.

However, in really modern grammar theory, this is being dropped. This is especially true in professional writing in Computer Science, which is where all my professional writing experience is, cause when you quote code it becomes difficult to tell whether the period is semantic or syntactic.

"Wow, that's fascinating", you say, "but I need an example". Don't worry baby bird, I'll feed you. Example:

... we can account for the YYYY/MM/DD format using the following regular expression: "\d\d\d\d\/[01]\d\/[0123]\d". ...

As you see, putting the period inside the quoted blob would make it look like you need an extra character in order to make the reg exp work.

So yes, you're correct traditionally, I'm consciously going with the wrong usage here. And no worries, my posts are always perfect in all ways.

Chiers.

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]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:17:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221333 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Sandrell Tershiq]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#23 Edited by: Sandrell Tershiq on 05/07/2008 03:21:02
Originally by: Tarn Reis


Way ahead of you Skunk. Faife, punctuation goes inside the quotations. Hard, I know, but that is how English works!


no it doesn't Rolling Eyes

it might be how American English works but they spell colour incorrectly so don't have a leg to stand on...


also - i think he's using the quotes for emphasis rather than as emphasis for one and quotation for the other - so the quotes rules don't really apply anyway Laughing

jeez, i'm a boring ****er!!
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 03:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221332 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by DubanFP]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#22 _______________

ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 03:05:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221331 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Tarn Reis]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#21 Edited by: Tarn Reis on 05/07/2008 02:56:57
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Le Skunk


Anyone who have ever worked in support will know your all lazy buggers who clock watch all day and sneak off for *** breaks

SKUNK


bug petition #324386: Spelling error in post

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Ohh i feels so sorry for you. Every single post you make form now on must be perfect in both spelling and grammar.... or youll look like a big tit.

so soory

SKUNK


Way ahead of you Skunk. Faife, punctuation goes inside the quotations. Hard, I know, but that is how English works!
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:56:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221330 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Sinetapf]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#20 Edited by: Sinetapf on 05/07/2008 02:49:12

Though i cant remember if my clone was up to date or not.

Warped an iteron to station sniper tempest blew up ship right as I docked, woke up in clone vat bay with no podkill loss mail, lost implants and sp out of drone interfacing V.... but try again guys.
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:46:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221329 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Le Skunk]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#19 Originally by: Faife
Originally by: Le Skunk


Anyone who have ever worked in support will know your all lazy buggers who clock watch all day and sneak off for *** breaks

SKUNK


bug petition #324386: Spelling error in post

Description: Le Skunk's post has "your" not "you're".

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Ohh i feels so sorry for you. Every single post you make form now on must be perfect in both spelling and grammar.... or youll look like a big tit.

so soory

SKUNK
]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:45:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221328 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Faife]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#18 Originally by: Le Skunk


Anyone who have ever worked in support will know your all lazy buggers who clock watch all day and sneak off for *** breaks

SKUNK


bug petition #324386: Spelling error in post

Description: Le Skunk's post has "your" not "you're".

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Owned by: no one. click here to claim it

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]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 02:19:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221327 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Gealbhan]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#17 ]]> Sat, 5 Jul 2008 00:41:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221326 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Le Skunk]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#16 Originally by: Simon Barrow
Originally by: Sinetapf
Greyscale believe it or not you can get podded and lose sp even if your clone is updated... I have had this happen to me though the circumstances required will not happen often.


Anyone who has ever worked support for anything anywhere will call BS on that, you need proof, to easy for customers to feel like there is something wrong yet they have nothing in their hands.


Anyone who have ever worked in support will know your all lazy buggers who clock watch all day and sneak off for *** breaks

SKUNK
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:56:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221325 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Simon Barrow]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#15 Originally by: Sinetapf
Greyscale believe it or not you can get podded and lose sp even if your clone is updated... I have had this happen to me though the circumstances required will not happen often.


Anyone who has ever worked support for anything anywhere will call BS on that, you need proof, to easy for customers to feel like there is something wrong yet they have nothing in their hands.
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:39:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221324 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Estel Arador]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#14 Edited by: Estel Arador on 04/07/2008 23:09:06
Originally by: Sinetapf
Greyscale believe it or not you can get podded and lose sp even if your clone is updated... I have had this happen to me though the circumstances required will not happen often.


Have you submitted a bugreport?

Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/JCs) just 120M isk!]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:09:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221323 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Sinetapf]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#13 ]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:07:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221322 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Tai Paktu]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#12 ______

http://eve-files.com/sig/TaiPaktu/sig3.PNG]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:40:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221321 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Aslann]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#11 ______________________

]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 22:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221320 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Farrqua]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#10 Originally by: DeadRow
iirc you get an evemail stating the skill point lost and to which skills, if you did indeed lose sp.


No you don't. Well at least I did not. I had it petitioned and to no avail. I had to ask what I lost.
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:54:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221319 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Lord Dracon]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#8 Originally by: Aprudena Gist
doesn't that seem a little ******ed too you then if something in game isn't displaying the correct amount of skill points?

but then again that's never stopped you guys before.


No, it doesn't. Accessing the databes to update the skillpoints on all characters in New Eden every 10 seconds would cause even more lag - that's why it isn't updated until you change skill / pause training ingame.
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221317 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by DeadRow]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#9

Quote:
Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes

]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:43:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221318 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by John Tasker]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#6 Originally by: Arpiter
nope...stopped evenmon and restarted. still does not synch.

he said to stop the eve skill training and then reload the char sheet

the char sheet doesnt add sp in training
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221315 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Thano]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#7 ]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:35:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221316 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by CCP Greyscale]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#5 Originally by: Arpiter
nope...stopped evenmon and restarted. still does not synch.


Pause and resume the skill in the ingame character sheet, not in EVEMon.
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:34:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221314 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Arpiter]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#4 ]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:33:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221313 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Aprudena Gist]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#3 Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 04/07/2008 21:31:32
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
If memory serves correctly, EVEMon displays your "realtime" skillpoint total, whereas the character sheet only shows your skillpoints when you last started a skill. If you pause and then resume the skill it should sync the charactersheet total with what EVEMon's telling you


doesn't that seem a little ******ed too you then if something in game isn't displaying the correct amount of skill points?

but then again that's never stopped you guys before.
]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:31:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221312 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by CCP Greyscale]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608&page=1#2 ]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:28:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221311 <![CDATA[Beware: Losing SP when podded with up to date clone. - by Arpiter]]> http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=814608 ]]> Fri, 4 Jul 2008 21:24:00 +0000 eve-search/guid/8221310