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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Grarr Dexx

Sat, 5 Jul 2009 16:40:00 +0000

Originally by: ElrondMD
I'm all for downtime in Euro PT.

We aussies are so screwed :(

We get it at noon already, stop screwing about.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by ElrondMD

Sat, 5 Jul 2009 16:19:00 +0000

I'm all for downtime in Euro PT.

We aussies are so screwed :(

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Arret

Sat, 5 Jul 2009 16:07:00 +0000

In most MMOs the servers are localised around the world, there are US servers, EU servers, Asian servers etc, each have their downtime set for off peak hours, 1-8am typically. Now EvE has just one server for the whole world, there isn't any off peak time!

So if you have a downtime just once a week, it will be during peak time for some section of the world. It would effectively mean that somewhere in the world would have no EvE at all one day a week! If you spread the downtime to just 1 hour each day, then while it will be during peak hours for someone, it does help minimise the disruption caused to gameplay. You just lose 1 hour each day as opposed to a full day.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Ahreon

Sat, 5 Jul 2009 12:03:00 +0000

i think bringing down the server daily is a pain in my ass ;P

but im used to it since 2004 ;P

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Telemicus Thrace

Sat, 5 Jul 2009 10:16:00 +0000

Originally by: Gosh Krux
1 hr a day is about a billion times better than once a week imo.

Really, it's a freaking hour.

Totally agree. It just needs to be moved by about 6 hours in either direction so it stops being at 9pm everyday.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Gosh Krux

Sat, 5 Jul 2009 08:27:00 +0000

1 hr a day is about a billion times better than once a week imo.

Really, it's a freaking hour.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by SiJira

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 15:52:00 +0000

because then you wouldnt be able to fly into 0.0 at downtimes except for that one day a week
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Heinkel facility

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 15:49:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

So fail!!

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Big Al

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 15:47:00 +0000

Originally by: Esmenet
Because its not like most mmos?

Becoming 'more inline with the industry standard' only applies when they can jack up the price, amirite?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Lord Fitz

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 15:40:00 +0000

No other MMO works on the same scale as Eve. Yes DT hits right into my prime playing time, but if you look at the reasons for the DT you can see there's no real way around it.

What we really need is the DT kept on time, or made as fast as possible. You can't eliminate a process that does so many different things that are essential to the smooth running of the Eve-universe. The only way you could get rid of it would be a complete and total re-write of the entire Eve server code from scratch.

Many other games that have a weekly downtime, also have it as a very long weekly downtime, it takes them 6-7 hours to do what CCP manage to do in what is usually an hour, every day. And they're doing it for a sever with a few hundred people on at once calling itself an 'MMO' in comparison to Eve most MMO's are just 'large' multiplayer games.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Cyne Spurr

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

Other mmos only have 1 dt a week?
That kinda sucks, good job its not one of the 6 or 7 I have played
Personaly I woulf of thought all mmos should have a DT every day...

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Kirex

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 14:45:00 +0000

Originally by: Pwett
if EVE's downtime bothers you, move to California. It happens at 4 in the morning there, you'll never notice :)

QFT. :)

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by ZephyrLexx

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 13:31:00 +0000

take WoW for example, wow has a downtime each week, but each individual WoW server has what, 3k players? EVE has 30-40k players, and has maintenance once a day, makes sense doesnt it?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Huurtney Gurdsen

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 13:30:00 +0000

There. Is. A. Downtime. Every. Day.

Get used to it.

It will be ever thus.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Rock'mar Khan

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 12:36:00 +0000

Edited by: Rock''mar Khan on 04/07/2008 12:38:01

Originally by: Tysheara
Quote:

Agree. Beside Eve is ran on a TRS80 with cassette tape drive they need to power cycle it once a day, the poor thing cant handle being left on for more then 24 hours.

Actually, the power cycling only takes about 5 minutes - but then they have to press play on the cassette drive, and wait for a few while the tape plays past all the other random stuff - cause if you try and fast forward those things, the game won't load half the time.

An hour per day (which happens when I sleep), FREE Expansions, dynamic universe, lots of players online, and a staff that actually interacts with it's playerbase? I'll take it...

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by LordSwift

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 12:02:00 +0000

Edited by: LordSwift on 04/07/2008 12:02:08

Originally by: Gelan Blackburn
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

No other game on or off the market has 40k players on ONE server at peak. WoW servers can handle 1/10th of this number and has a kindergarten market/item system to boot (much less database work required).

Hmm i hate to break it to you. But there are games out there with way more then 40k on a single server.. Just take Second Life easily have 60k+ during prime time :P

Second life sucks anyway. you cant compare that game to the complex game that is Eve.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Gelan Blackburn

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 11:52:00 +0000

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

No other game on or off the market has 40k players on ONE server at peak. WoW servers can handle 1/10th of this number and has a kindergarten market/item system to boot (much less database work required).

Hmm i hate to break it to you. But there are games out there with way more then 40k on a single server.. Just take Second Life easily have 60k+ during prime time :P

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Zinras

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 11:33:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

Hamster break. Won't somebody please think of the hamsters?

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Malcanis

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 10:55:00 +0000

Originally by: Darkwolf
Originally by: Malcanis
Yeah, you're in a small* country on the other side of the planet and you want everyone else in the world to suffer for your convenience.

Actually, no - I want those people who believe minorities should be inconvenienced just because of what or where they are to suffer. Very, very painfully.

See what I did there?

No, I expect you didn't.

yeah I did. You tried to pretend that the undeniable physical fact of your timezone being 12 hours out of phase with the server's was irrelevant and made a "NO U" post to gloss over your terrible whine.

Well anyway have fun.

CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Darkwolf

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 10:52:00 +0000

Originally by: Malcanis
Yeah, you're in a small* country on the other side of the planet and you want everyone else in the world to suffer for your convenience.

Actually, no - I want those people who believe minorities should be inconvenienced just because of what or where they are to suffer. Very, very painfully.

See what I did there?

No, I expect you didn't.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Poldarn Joaq

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 10:42:00 +0000

I use the down time to sleep and to change the tubes that allow me to play EvE 23/7.
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Thats no moon!!

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by ShardowRhino

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 08:10:00 +0000

Originally by: Darkwolf
Edited by: Darkwolf on 04/07/2008 00:34:09
Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)

Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.

I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.

As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".

See an issue here?

Duddeeee, you should be getting some "downtime" from the wife while eve is down. if not at least spend it with the wife to reduce aggro against eve

07 Toggies

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by ShardowRhino

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 08:06:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

sock puppetry level 1 has failed to complete.

EVE>most other mmos (fpsmmo is win but if we are talking just rpgs then Eve>mmorpg)

explosions > fairies waving magic "wands"

flushing everytime you drop a load >flushing every other day.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Winterblink

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 07:47:00 +0000

Originally by: Darkwolf

Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)

Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.

I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.

As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".

See an issue here?

I think there's a pretty good chance you missed the sarcasm in my post. :)

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by RaTTuS

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 07:33:00 +0000

Actually it is obvious if you look at Server stats thne you can see that they only have a downtime where there are no players on the server - so it is the players that make the down time not ccp.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Malcanis

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 07:12:00 +0000

Originally by: Darkwolf
Edited by: Darkwolf on 04/07/2008 00:34:09
Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)

Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.

I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.

As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".

See an issue here?

Yeah, you're in a small* country on the other side of the planet and you want everyone else in the world to suffer for your convenience.

*As in: population not area.

CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by TekGriffon

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 07:08:00 +0000

Originally by: Bleeshtar
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Huh... =V= has down times?

Never noticed really.

Me either.

rofl

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Darkwolf

Fri, 4 Jul 2009 00:32:00 +0000

Edited by: Darkwolf on 04/07/2008 00:34:09

Originally by: Winterblink
Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)

Disclaimer: I'm Australian, I work full-time and I'm married.

I would much rather have one evening a week totally gone with a downtime, than have every evening chopped in half by a downtime right in the middle of my available playtime.

As it stands, I get on before DT, and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, DT's coming in an hour". And after DT I get on and think "Not much point doing anything too lengthy, I gotta hit the sack in an hour".

See an issue here?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by BackseatShortbus

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 23:34:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I dont think I could cope with 6 continuous days of no sleep, gotta get that hour in at least
All backseat of the bus and @#$%

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Liang Nuren

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 23:24:00 +0000

Originally by: Batchie
If the servers went down once a week there'd be a point in the week, about two days after the DT. Where there are no asteroids left in the entire universe.

It's fairly trivial to put such things on a timer to respawn.

-Liang
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Batchie

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 23:22:00 +0000

If the servers went down once a week there'd be a point in the week, about two days after the DT. Where there are no asteroids left in the entire universe.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Liang Nuren

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 23:14:00 +0000

Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz

Originally by: James Lyrus

Actually, if you're running an IT services, there are good and valid reasons to do exactly that - a scheduled change/maintenance window, every day, where it's 'expected' that people will get off your cluster so you can do housekeeping, upgrades, fixes, backups etc. So even if you _don't_ have a need to do anything much one day, it's worth taking it down anyway, simply because then you don't get complaints about unscheduled outages.

I do exactly that (run IT services. Sysadmin for a pretty large networking tools company.) and we have no scheduled maintenence. When we need downtime, we schedule it, and we have failover systems in place to minimize the impact to our customers (no new purchases if the DB is offline is about it).

That's the proper way to do it. Not simply turning off production systems regularly for no reason to force people to get used to it.

You're both right. I think the biggest part of the problem comes from Eve being constantly updated, and single shard.

The single shard effectively means that they're running a single database server for all of you monkeys. As a data warehouser myself, I can tell you that's no mean feat (especially on MSSQL Server....)!

There's several things that I imagine need cleaned up/done every day:
- Commit all transactions. Eve uses isolation level READ UNCOMMITTED, presumably for speed. I know this has bit them once for sure in a custom function that they wrote for sov calculations.
- Apply code/schema changes across the distributed system
- Nightly backups
- Restart the servers to clean up any lingering memory leaks
- Restart the database and database server (It's running Windows afterall...)
- Restart the nodes (they're also running Windows)
- Security patches to the OS

I'm sure that there's more that's I'm not considering right now. Now, I mentioned that I'm in the data warehousing business. I know for sure that we take our master databases down, and push all of our web requests onto replica/standbys when we have scheduled (or unscheduled!) maintenance.

That wouldn't really work in a real time database situation - the data is too volatile. I suspect that even applying the WAL to a standby would barely begin to solve their data redundancy problems (and wouldn't address activating the standby for periods of the day!)

No, I doubt very much that there are many ways around the nightly downtime in an unsharded MMO server.

-Liang
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Faekurias

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 22:53:00 +0000

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by JamnOne

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 22:52:00 +0000

Originally by: Tysheara
Originally by: Borg9
b/c I'm at work during d/t so it doesn't bother me. Daily d/t are fine, stop whining, CCP gives you FREE expansions/patches.

Agree. Beside Eve is ran on a TRS80 with cassette tape drive they need to power cycle it once a day, the poor thing cant handle being left on for more then 24 hours.

Now this is funny.

What would be scary is if you were telling the truth
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by prsr

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 22:44:00 +0000

There is no downtime, there's just mandatory training on the testserver everyday.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Sniper Wolf18

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 22:27:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

because ****ing morons like you off is CCP's guilty pleasure :)

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Feng Schui

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 22:06:00 +0000

Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Feng Schui
But isn't it "Industry standard" to only have 1 downtime a week? If you want to follow in the footsteps of Blizzard by only offering 60 day GTC's, and an increased price, why not go all the way and follow the "Industry standard" of having 1 downtime per week?

Yeah, because that's so completely similar. Wait. It's not.

its called sarcasm

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Xonkra

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:59:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

Its great using old memes isn't it?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Raymon James

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:55:00 +0000

Actualy EQ originaly had frequent downtimes, that was eventualy scaled back once they got a handle on things.

that said EVE has certain issues with the database, including a rounding issue that the downtime flushes out.

Just as a comparison of the issues that EVE faces, your characters potential inventory is literaly in the Trillions of items (each station can hold your current ship + 999 stacks or items, or 999 of the 1,000,000m3 cans per station. (999,000,000m3)

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by JanoMark

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:37:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

BC this isn't like most MMORPGs.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Ryoji Tanakama

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:35:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

Alt post failure?

Those other MMOs do not have 40,000 concurrent players.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Sartori Tangier

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:30:00 +0000

Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Vintage Tube servers!

That's why Eve sounds so warm and luscious and has that response top players refuse to do without!

You get my vote.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Two Flower

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:26:00 +0000

I am no expert ın mmo database stuff but the reason they cant have a downtıme every week ınstea of evryday ıs because they have 10/20/100 tımes the amount of people on the server then mmo x has

that ıs alot more database access every day so they need more tıme to check/wıpe/refresh/clean/update ... whatever the databases..

eve ıs 'onlıne' 161 hours a week out of 168... ıs that not enough ?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Amastat

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:22:00 +0000

Edited by: Amastat on 03/07/2008 21:23:31

Because EVE is running off a super computer, the universe is enormous, and there is 30,000 people on at once - sometimes 40,000. It needs daily maintenance to run properly, it's too huge and complex to work properly with just a weekly maintenance.

In order words - a weekly maintenance sucks too bad and isn't good enough for EVE, and EVE is too all powerful and kickass to settle for the blood sacrifice of a team of maintenance guys just once a week - TRANQUILITY HUNGERS HUMAN/GEEK FLESH!!!!!
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Arvald

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:17:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

because jesus hates you and you make god cry

Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Ruhige Schmerz

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 21:00:00 +0000

Edited by: Ruhige Schmerz on 03/07/2008 21:00:12

Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz

It's not as if they just turn it off for no reason for an hour, if it would continue to run just fine without being shut taken down..

Actually, if you're running an IT services, there are good and valid reasons to do exactly that - a scheduled change/maintenance window, every day, where it's 'expected' that people will get off your cluster so you can do housekeeping, upgrades, fixes, backups etc. So even if you _don't_ have a need to do anything much one day, it's worth taking it down anyway, simply because then you don't get complaints about unscheduled outages.

I do exactly that (run IT services. Sysadmin for a pretty large networking tools company.) and we have no scheduled maintenence. When we need downtime, we schedule it, and we have failover systems in place to minimize the impact to our customers (no new purchases if the DB is offline is about it).

That's the proper way to do it. Not simply turning off production systems regularly for no reason to force people to get used to it.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by James Lyrus

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 20:54:00 +0000

Originally by: Ruhige Schmerz

It's not as if they just turn it off for no reason for an hour, if it would continue to run just fine without being shut taken down..

Actually, if you're running an IT services, there are good and valid reasons to do exactly that - a scheduled change/maintenance window, every day, where it's 'expected' that people will get off your cluster so you can do housekeeping, upgrades, fixes, backups etc. So even if you _don't_ have a need to do anything much one day, it's worth taking it down anyway, simply because then you don't get complaints about unscheduled outages.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Ruhige Schmerz

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 20:50:00 +0000

I'd put money on it being because some of the serverside processes either require daily maintenence that would cause MORE lag (database cleanup/compaction, etc) and/or because some of the serverside processes are leaking memory and need to be restarted before they start swapping out.

It's not as if they just turn it off for no reason for an hour, if it would continue to run just fine without being shut taken down..

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by James Lyrus

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 20:45:00 +0000

Originally by: Ultin Harvor
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Huh... =V= has down times?

Never noticed really.

Me either.

You win the thread, the only thing on here to make me laugh.
Have a beer!

I always thought it was rather decent of CCP to make sure their down times were only ever at the one point in the day when there's no one logged in.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by James Lyrus

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 20:45:00 +0000

Originally by: Feng Schui
But isn't it "Industry standard" to only have 1 downtime a week? If you want to follow in the footsteps of Blizzard by only offering 60 day GTC's, and an increased price, why not go all the way and follow the "Industry standard" of having 1 downtime per week?

Yeah, because that's so completely similar. Wait. It's not.
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249km locking?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Feng Schui

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 20:42:00 +0000

But isn't it "Industry standard" to only have 1 downtime a week? If you want to follow in the footsteps of Blizzard by only offering 60 day GTC's, and an increased price, why not go all the way and follow the "Industry standard" of having 1 downtime per week?

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Pwett

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 20:17:00 +0000

if EVE's downtime bothers you, move to California. It happens at 4 in the morning there, you'll never notice :)
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Tysheara

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 19:47:00 +0000

Originally by: Borg9
b/c I'm at work during d/t so it doesn't bother me. Daily d/t are fine, stop whining, CCP gives you FREE expansions/patches.

Agree. Beside Eve is ran on a TRS80 with cassette tape drive they need to power cycle it once a day, the poor thing cant handle being left on for more then 24 hours.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Zephyr Rengate

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 19:25:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

FAIL.

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Borg9

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 19:23:00 +0000

b/c I'm at work during d/t so it doesn't bother me. Daily d/t are fine, stop whining, CCP gives you FREE expansions/patches.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by AltyNr1

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 19:05:00 +0000

Edited by: AltyNr1 on 03/07/2008 19:10:21
well they are all flaming and such but really if downtime was changed to weekly they would all wet their pants about it like 12-year olds who touched her first women.

that being said the bottomline is still true: eve != any other mmo and the game makes up for it by giving you a much more in depth experience. other servers have 5-10k max people playing on it i can imagine they just need less maintenance.

edit: still what i love most about it is how they all know the exact inner workings of ccp servers. ofc. pretending you'd know shit about what causes lag and whatnot when you apparently don't have any authority on the subject is fail.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Atomos Darksun

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 18:58:00 +0000

1. The lag would be so immense that, by the end of the week, nobody would be able to do anything anywhere PERIOD.

2. There's different features that rely on downtime to reset.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Ultin Harvor

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 18:37:00 +0000

Originally by: Bleeshtar
Originally by: Bleeshtar
Huh... =V= has down times?

Never noticed really.

Me either.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Bleeshtar

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 16:17:00 +0000

Huh... =V= has down times?

Never noticed really.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Bleeshtar

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 16:17:00 +0000

Originally by: Bleeshtar
Huh... =V= has down times?

Never noticed really.

Me either.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Rick Rothsar

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:47:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Quetl

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:26:00 +0000

Id imagine there is alot alot more coding in EVE compared to other MMO's. Alot of other MMO's have a relatively small world, which is replicated. Perhaps meaning more opportunity for there to be issues with the coding, which they will need to fix on a regular basis, and there is alot of daily respawns etc as said before.

If you are so much an Eve-Addict, call downtime, Forum time. I'm lucky in UK, if i happen to be in when DT is there, it reminds me that I prolly should eat... (Being about lunch time)

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Sinc

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:23:00 +0000

1 dt a week will only make the marco haulers/ratters/miners have less work to keep em running .. so better with more dt's :)
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Hirana Yoshida

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:20:00 +0000

Huh? There are other MMORPG's available .. why am I always the last to hear these things .. DAMMIT!!!

Daily downtimes take between 30-60 minutes, seven days a week. How long are the weekly downtimes for these 'other MMORPG's again? (When I played WoW some 3 years ago the downtime was usually about a whole damn day!)

No other game on or off the market has 40k players on ONE server at peak. WoW servers can handle 1/10th of this number and has a kindergarten market/item system to boot (much less database work required).

Eve probably could work with a weekly downtime, but it would be insanely long and game would be slow/laggy the longer into a cycle you go.

I am fairly certain that you would find the total uptime and general server performance of the Eve cluster to be superior to the others, thanks largely to the daily tweaking and cleansing of the database/server.

PS: Get hooked on Civilization 4, makes for a great downtime game!

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Tarminic

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:20:00 +0000

Originally by: Lord Haur
Originally by: Slayton Ford
Like what other MMOs? When I played Everquest (and still do on occasion) they have a downtime only when patches/fixes are required (once a month or two).

Note: many other MMO's have many many servers, with their downtimes spread out so there is nearly always a server you can use. Also Tranquility is like 50x the size of those servers (ok, slight exaggeration )

I think 8x would be about right for the average MMO server.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Lord Haur

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:19:00 +0000

Originally by: Slayton Ford
Like what other MMOs? When I played Everquest (and still do on occasion) they have a downtime only when patches/fixes are required (once a month or two).

Note: many other MMO's have many many servers, with their downtimes spread out so there is nearly always a server you can use. Also Tranquility is like 50x the size of those servers (ok, slight exaggeration )
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by versic

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:19:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

I hope so.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Quelque Chose

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:16:00 +0000

Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Vintage Tube servers!

That's why Eve sounds so warm and luscious and has that response top players refuse to do without!

You think maybe he meant to say "steady- state" universe?
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Mo skislac

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:14:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

That would only make sense if EVE was like other games.

When CCP comes to your job and tells you how to flip burgers you can tell them how to run their Game servers.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Slayton Ford

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:14:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

Like what other MMOs? When I played Everquest (and still do on occasion) they have a downtime only when patches/fixes are required (once a month or two).
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Winterblink

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 15:06:00 +0000

Originally by: CCP Prism X
Because, unlike most MMOs, the EVE universe is not a solid state universe. 'nuff said.

EVE is an gooey state universe CONFIRMED.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Plumpy McPudding

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:56:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Solomunio Kzenig

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:55:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

Lol forgetting to change char while trying to bump own thread, Fail.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Guillame Herschel

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:54:00 +0000

Vintage Tube servers!
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by CCP Prism X

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:53:00 +0000

Because, unlike most MMOs, the EVE universe is not a solid state universe. 'nuff said.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Rheddin

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:51:00 +0000

I guess there must be a reason for it, but for those who think the whole thing gets turned off for an hour to give the servers a rest... thats not it.

I'd imagine the thermal stress induced in all that equipment as it repeatedly cools/heats up would bring about a fair few hardware failures.

well, thats my 2p

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by LordSwift

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:49:00 +0000

Easy. This is why

1. Owner ship of null sec systems changes every day
2. Corporations need to be added to FW within 24 hrs, who is going to wait a week to get into war.
3. Same goes for corp wars.
4. CCP maintains the game. Unlike some mmos i have played where they are left to rot.

This is the most looked after, updated mmorpg i have ever played. Long live EVE.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Grarr Dexx

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:48:00 +0000

I agree with this unique thread.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Guillame Herschel

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:44:00 +0000

To get back use of the memory that the apps leaked over the previous 23 hours. :)

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Leon 026

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:44:00 +0000

Because we really want to have a weekly downtime day, which is translated as weekly "unable to play all day" day.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Slanty McGarglefist

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:43:00 +0000

I didn't even know EVE has a downtime everyday, news to me!
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Riho

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:42:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

because CCP needs to do this every day...

other MMOs that are not even close to as massive as EvE is.... thats why its req. to to daily dts
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Winterblink

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:42:00 +0000

Sure, I'm all for a super long downtime that happens once per week and totally blows away the Aussie timezone's ability to play for a whole evening. :)

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Frenetick

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:40:00 +0000

Get a job you lazy-arse, student, whinging ***

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Smantha Dering

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:35:00 +0000

This has been reviewed over and over in dozens of posts. So just no...ok

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Ponderous Thunderstroke

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:28:00 +0000

Because We Said So.

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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Plumpy McPudding

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:28:00 +0000

Originally by: Krollin
LMAO,

Just realised you tried to bump your own thread but forgot to change character names!!

classic!

Kro

Maybe he has multiple personality disorder?
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Tharukan Desm'ar

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:28:00 +0000

This big super computer server needs regular downtime like it is to keep things from malfunctioning due to the sheer scale of it.

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Krollin

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:27:00 +0000

LMAO,

Just realised you tried to bump your own thread but forgot to change character names!!

classic!

Kro

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Tarminic

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:27:00 +0000

There are a bunch of things done during downtime that are unique to EVE. Mostly:
1. Database cleaning
2. Changing of sovereignty/outpost structures/occupancy
3. Re-seeding of certain exploration sites
4. Re-seeding of certain asteroid types

Doing all these things once a week would make things less pleasant for anyone involved and the server would start to lag more as it went more than a couple days without being cleaned. So it would generally suck.
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Terianna Eri

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:26:00 +0000

quoting yourself 4tw?
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Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Krollin

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:26:00 +0000

If you ont like it, go play another MMO!

How many times a week does this flipping thread get posted!!

You might as well wipe the forum every day during downtime!!!

Kro

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by InSession

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:26:00 +0000

I don't know the exact technical reason, but it releases the stress of the server and let's it refresh itself. Just go outside if the 45-60 minute downtime is leaving you with nothing to do

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by Esmenet

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:25:00 +0000

Because its not like most mmos?

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by linton strong

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:24:00 +0000

Originally by: linton strong
why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.

I agree with the op

Why not just have one down time per week like other MMOs - by linton strong

Thu, 3 Jul 2009 14:23:00 +0000

why must CCP bring down eve daily? Wouldn't it make more sense to just have downtime 1x per week like most MMORPGs do.