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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Aura Seng

Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:30:00 +0000

Signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Izodel

Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:52:00 +0000

absolutely, incredible, wonderful idea.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Taladool

Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:04:00 +0000

Originally by: Erinyen Guerilla
n1 idea

Agreed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Erinyen Guerilla

Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:05:00 +0000

n1 idea

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Celidril

Fri, 2 Jan 2009 07:41:00 +0000

/signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Kattilyn

Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:44:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Earthican

Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:47:00 +0000

ditto

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Syberbolt8

Wed, 31 Dec 2009 00:36:00 +0000

CSM really needs to take this back to CCP, We wont go away, we will keep this thread and the one in features and Ideas on the first page till this is in the game or EvE-Online closes its doors.
Support the DEAD HORSE POS's

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Ariad Valens

Tue, 30 Dec 2009 15:27:00 +0000

Signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Cailais

Mon, 29 Dec 2009 00:35:00 +0000

This subject should be raised by the CSM again.

C.

Originally by: Capa
So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Thu, 25 Dec 2009 17:33:00 +0000

The "POS: The Dead Horse" original thread in Features & Ideas Discussions Forum is celebrating it's 3d Christmas! That's right people, it has seen 3 Christmas Holidays come and gone, and it is still here. I wonder if there is any other player supported thread that has been as heartily ignored, for as long of a time, as the POS overhaul.

CSM - bring this to CCP again! And again! And AGAIN! AND AGAIN!

Just because CCP tells you it is "too much work" does not mean you have to slink away, and play nice.

Players have been keeping the thread alive for 3 years, well, almost, and so far CCP worked really hard to ignore it. Shouldn't it be your job to make it happen? I am sorry, I know, Iceland trips are more important than making waves, and bringing CCP things they really do not want to deal with.

Merry Christmas everyone.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Karath Piki

Thu, 25 Dec 2009 13:58:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Terra Mikael

Thu, 25 Dec 2009 07:25:00 +0000

Edited by: Terra Mikael on 25/12/2008 07:25:45
awesome Idea. I would love to blow up something so beautiful
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Originally by: Korovyov
You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Re'taka

Thu, 25 Dec 2009 04:11:00 +0000

This is what pos's should look like.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Syberbolt8

Mon, 22 Dec 2009 11:53:00 +0000

This belongs on page one, and someone from the CSM needs to take it back to CCP, it wasn't really even talked about last time, it was kind of mentioned, then it was the funky pos idea, bring the subject up, straight forward, push the idea, make it a major topic not a minor one, and maybe CCP will rethink there position on this.

If it at least looks like the CSM had tried to work it in last time I would just leave it alone with CCP's last answer, but as it is, those guys pretty much avoided it, with "no reason to talk about something due to ccps answer."

This CSM needs to push this idea, its something that pos management teams want, and no we are not going to get a 10% of the forums vote for support, there are to few of us that setup and run them for that, but it effects thousands of people in game.
Support the DEAD HORSE POS's

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Concorduck

Tue, 16 Dec 2009 10:24:00 +0000

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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Boomershoot

Tue, 16 Dec 2009 10:23:00 +0000

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Billy Merc

Tue, 16 Dec 2009 00:50:00 +0000

Kind of a fan of the current system..minus the asthetics of course..

i like this new pos idea...maybe some sort of t2 / next generation pos...used purely for foward deployment of operations.

dont like the anchor it at gate thing....but i think it should the follwing things should be noted:

.: Thes pops should not be able to claim sov
.: These pos's should be anchorable ANYWHERE is system..but not near gates.
.: These pos's should be detectable by probe and ship scanner
.: U should be able to get an exact location on these pos's with probes
.: Limits to how many can be deployed in a single system
.: Limited weaponry (maybe a fighter bay...that pos gunners can drop fighters/ drones and control them...+ small stationary guns)
.: Area of effect cyno jamming ability would be a nice feature (cant drop cyno within 1 au of it ?????...maybe)
.: Should NOT be able to mine moons

it needs to be balanced...but as a foward deployment platform...this idea is sexy as hell

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Quacka

Tue, 16 Dec 2009 00:49:00 +0000

/signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Aquestria

Sun, 14 Dec 2009 11:40:00 +0000

signed,

fantastic idea, would love to see this implemented tbh.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Syberbolt8

Sun, 14 Dec 2009 05:43:00 +0000

NEW CSM needs to take this one back to CCP, the players have wanted it for 2 years, and we wont stop asking for it till we get it or something like it.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sat, 13 Dec 2009 21:37:00 +0000

Stop Claiming that it is too much work to redo the POS and do it already CCP!

With the POS exploit this should be your priority: re-evaluation of POS and POS Mechanics, making POS "KISS" Compatible.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Karrade Krise

Fri, 12 Dec 2009 19:45:00 +0000

When, oh WHEN will this be taken seriously by CCP? This had better be in the March Expansion as a surprise add on...

I'd seriously rather see this than ambulation...with the exception of getting to look at well designed female butts....mmm...boobies....

Voluntold, New Webcomic

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Orb Vex

Fri, 12 Dec 2009 10:32:00 +0000

Amazing concept !!

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Phelix Jung

Fri, 12 Dec 2009 07:53:00 +0000

signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Xindi Kraid

Fri, 12 Dec 2009 06:03:00 +0000

I move we get actual Player Owned Stations instead of corp owned trash heaps
-Xindi Kraid
CSFI lead engineer and shipwright

Improve POS cargo access

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Fri, 12 Dec 2009 05:22:00 +0000

I kind of gave up even looking here, even since CCP said it was "too much work" for them to do proper POS overhaul. Felt like so many years supporting this issue went to waste, because no one in CCP listens.

Well, I feel slightly vindicated, because I am certain that should CCP have listened to all of us who support general POS overhaul they would have found the long running exploit and fixed it.

So, I decided I am coming back to the hopeless cause of supporting the POS overhaul. Perhaps we should all stop by a nearest church and put up a candle for Saint Jude - the patron saint of hopeless causes. Maybe then CCP will listen, who knows.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Miyamoto Uroki

Thu, 11 Dec 2009 13:35:00 +0000

Replied to this several times in its original topic, so hell yeah, overhaul the pos system...

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Vrikshaka

Thu, 11 Dec 2009 13:02:00 +0000

I love this idea.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hczer

Thu, 11 Dec 2009 05:19:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Young Buck

Wed, 10 Dec 2009 23:51:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Verx Interis

Wed, 10 Dec 2009 23:38:00 +0000

Edited by: Verx Interis on 10/12/2008 23:38:51
/signed.

Whatever mechanic is being used to add Tech III could also be used to design POS like this.

Additionally (don't know if this was mentioned or not) - I'm assuming the POS guns present some issue, seeing as this design would mean they are now inside the shield.

The simplest solution would be to let people target guns and other offensive modules that are inside the shield, and use the explanation that they have some kind of trans-warp hyper-shield-inverse technology that lets them target while in the shield, but allows them to be targetted as well.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Ashundi silver

Wed, 10 Dec 2009 10:21:00 +0000

something like the corp CEO ebing able toa point a certain amount of m3 to corp members?

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Wentau

Thu, 4 Dec 2009 11:02:00 +0000

Yep. Also, it sure would be nice if there were a way that each member of a corp could also have his/her own hangar within the POS.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by JJ Kazanski

Wed, 3 Dec 2009 22:13:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Syberbolt8

Wed, 3 Dec 2009 16:56:00 +0000

So any chance we can get someone from the new CSM to try a ROUND 2 on this one? or should we start a new post on it, IDK why though this one has all the support.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Karentaki

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 17:39:00 +0000

signed

Quote:

EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hugh Ruka

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 15:57:00 +0000

Originally by: Spoon Thumb

46. 0102-07-0077 Funky POS Recommendation

Quote:
46. 0102-07-0077 Funky POS Recommendation CCP thinks this is a cool idea but requires a total rewrite of the starbase system and complete art asset replacement so unlikely to happen as a result.

Ankhesentapemkah and Serenity Steele said it would be nice if CCP incorporated these ideas into the small anchorable structures they may have planned for the future.

aha ... I wonder why we have a CSM section of the web with meeting minutes when they release this in a forum thread :-)

anyway they will need to rework POS mechanics sooner or later and the graphics are no that much a work as they managed to rework almost everything in the prior expansions ...
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Spoon Thumb

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 12:46:00 +0000

46. 0102-07-0077 Funky POS Recommendation

Quote:
46. 0102-07-0077 Funky POS Recommendation CCP thinks this is a cool idea but requires a total rewrite of the starbase system and complete art asset replacement so unlikely to happen as a result.

Ankhesentapemkah and Serenity Steele said it would be nice if CCP incorporated these ideas into the small anchorable structures they may have planned for the future.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hugh Ruka

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 11:31:00 +0000

Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Spoon Thumb

Well, it'd be nice if the new council perhaps put this slightly differently.

We know that at some point, POS models will get an upgrade, as CCP slowly work through remodelling everything (starting with ships and stations in trinity patch and moving onto gates in latest).

We also know that POS mechanics are bugged and sov mechanics are unsatisfactory to the vast majority of players

This suggestion or something similar could be woven into a wider, much needed revamp of POS. It's the wider fixes that take the effort, but need to be done anyway

that's the best way to delay this even more :-)

POS and related game content are soooo unfinished it is a real pain at times. However I guess you are right, nothing but a complete revamp can help here...

Imagine CCP implements this, all folks have to rearagne their POSes (!) ... then they change SOV mechanics and people have to tinker with things again.

I mean I understand their hesitation to implement this. What I don't have an understanding for is the almost complete silence and ignorance.

I think it's more that the way it's phrased in the minutes is as if it was tagged on the end of the meeting and dismissed out of hand by ccp

can you link me the meeting minutes where it is mentioned ? thanks
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Spoon Thumb

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 11:30:00 +0000

Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Spoon Thumb

Well, it'd be nice if the new council perhaps put this slightly differently.

We know that at some point, POS models will get an upgrade, as CCP slowly work through remodelling everything (starting with ships and stations in trinity patch and moving onto gates in latest).

We also know that POS mechanics are bugged and sov mechanics are unsatisfactory to the vast majority of players

This suggestion or something similar could be woven into a wider, much needed revamp of POS. It's the wider fixes that take the effort, but need to be done anyway

that's the best way to delay this even more :-)

POS and related game content are soooo unfinished it is a real pain at times. However I guess you are right, nothing but a complete revamp can help here...

Imagine CCP implements this, all folks have to rearagne their POSes (!) ... then they change SOV mechanics and people have to tinker with things again.

I mean I understand their hesitation to implement this. What I don't have an understanding for is the almost complete silence and ignorance.

I think it's more that the way it's phrased in the minutes is as if it was tagged on the end of the meeting and dismissed out of hand by ccp

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hugh Ruka

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 11:23:00 +0000

Originally by: Spoon Thumb

Well, it'd be nice if the new council perhaps put this slightly differently.

We know that at some point, POS models will get an upgrade, as CCP slowly work through remodelling everything (starting with ships and stations in trinity patch and moving onto gates in latest).

We also know that POS mechanics are bugged and sov mechanics are unsatisfactory to the vast majority of players

This suggestion or something similar could be woven into a wider, much needed revamp of POS. It's the wider fixes that take the effort, but need to be done anyway

that's the best way to delay this even more :-)

POS and related game content are soooo unfinished it is a real pain at times. However I guess you are right, nothing but a complete revamp can help here...

Imagine CCP implements this, all folks have to rearagne their POSes (!) ... then they change SOV mechanics and people have to tinker with things again.

I mean I understand their hesitation to implement this. What I don't have an understanding for is the almost complete silence and ignorance.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Spoon Thumb

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 11:20:00 +0000

Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 25/11/2008 11:22:21
Well, it'd be nice if the new council perhaps put this slightly differently.

We know that at some point, POS models will get an upgrade, as CCP slowly work through remodelling everything (starting with ships and stations in trinity patch and moving onto gates in latest).

We also know that POS mechanics are bugged and sov mechanics are unsatisfactory to the vast majority of players

This suggestion or something similar could be woven into a wider, much needed revamp of POS. It's the wider fixes that take the effort, but need to be done anyway

Edit: T3 ships would basically be exactly the same idea just with ships rather than POS structures

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hugh Ruka

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 10:45:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: LaVista Vista

... meeting minutes ...

Maybe I am stupid or just fail at searching, can you point me to the minutes you are talking about ? thanks

You quoted me out of context. I have no idea which minutes I was refering to.

oh sorry ... I thought you'll get it ... your replies to Jinx Barker always mention some meeting minutes that you are waiting to be published. I had a look at all the MMs in the CSM section but none mention the Dead Horse topic in their agenda list.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 10:39:00 +0000

Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: LaVista Vista

... meeting minutes ...

Maybe I am stupid or just fail at searching, can you point me to the minutes you are talking about ? thanks

You quoted me out of context. I have no idea which minutes I was refering to.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hugh Ruka

Tue, 25 Nov 2009 10:31:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista

... meeting minutes ...

Maybe I am stupid or just fail at searching, can you point me to the minutes you are talking about ? thanks
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Anjinha

Tue, 4 Nov 2009 16:36:00 +0000

Edited by: Anjinha on 04/11/2008 16:37:20

Originally by: Frecator Dementa
Edited by: Frecator Dementa on 23/05/2008 00:33:57
/signed, I loved those designs

the current POS layout/look is a joke at best

/signed

POS need some love.

edit: forgot the support to the idea/discussion checkbox

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Esiel

Tue, 4 Nov 2009 02:00:00 +0000

Edited by: Esiel on 04/11/2008 02:03:18

Originally by: Tempest Inferno
And you dont pick up loot from 1.5 k like everyone else?

You really don't get it. I don't mind the mining part of my POS just kinda beaming ore from the moon like getting loot from a can but the rest?

Lets talk apples to apples. My ships thrusters are connected to my cargo area which is connected to the bridge. The ship isn't flying about with each part just kind of next to each other part.

Originally by: Tempest Inferno
As the current system works their is either a small shuttle / drone running back and fourth or the modules have an improved "beaming" system to be able to transfer items further. Not the point of the arguement here though. I sugest you read through the original forum post on this issue and you would see that the idea is alot more than simply connecting the modules together.

I have actually read every single post in that thread. Have you? And before we get into a fight, I said that the main idea is we don't like how POS's look they don't "feel" right having pieces floating about. The OP had an idea on how to fix that and had some other ideas. Other people have suggested other things. We want our stations connected, modular would be the best looking way to do it.

Off with your head

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hygelac

Mon, 3 Nov 2009 17:31:00 +0000

Edited by: Hygelac on 03/11/2008 17:31:06
I loved this idea from the moment it was first suggested way back when. Only hurdle to this is the existing POSes out there but the 'leave it alone and let it change over time' thing could work I guess.

The biggest hurdle here is re-doing all of the models which is why CCP might balk at this change, but I'd like to see them fix some of these types of long standing issues rather than the continuous stream of new content.

The problem with this sort of thing is that it's a low return 'aesthetic' issue that works well enough, but not prettily, putting it at the bottom of every development queue known to man. Hopefully the CSM can really push this because a lot of people would LOVE to see it.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Tempest Inferno

Mon, 3 Nov 2009 16:20:00 +0000

Originally by: Esiel

You are missing the point, the connections don't have to do anything - nothing about the structure needs to change other than connecting the parts together. Part of the big problem is the fact that POS's look terrible. They magically transport things across from one thing to another, they need to be connected together. These connections don't need shield/armor/structure they don't need anything but a connection from one piece to another.

I would like them to make a modular POS but if they can't/won't then just make a way to connect the parts together.

And you dont pick up loot from 1.5 k like everyone else? As the current system works their is either a small shuttle / drone running back and fourth or the modules have an improved "beaming" system to be able to transfer items further. Not the point of the arguement here though. I sugest you read through the original forum post on this issue and you would see that the idea is alot more than simply connecting the modules together.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Esiel

Sun, 2 Nov 2009 20:59:00 +0000

Originally by: Tempest Inferno

I tend to specialize in mission running so yes I have seen structures set up like this. However they are not "connected" in the sense that they work together to accomplish a purpose. No matter what the coding would take time to do as each array would need to be reworked with connection points, shield/armor/structure hp would need adjusting as obviously the shield is no more, etc . . .

You are missing the point, the connections don't have to do anything - nothing about the structure needs to change other than connecting the parts together. Part of the big problem is the fact that POS's look terrible. They magically transport things across from one thing to another, they need to be connected together. These connections don't need shield/armor/structure they don't need anything but a connection from one piece to another.

I would like them to make a modular POS but if they can't/won't then just make a way to connect the parts together.

Off with your head

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Tempest Inferno

Sun, 2 Nov 2009 19:40:00 +0000

Originally by: Esiel
Originally by: Tempest Inferno
CCP said no to a lot of stuff that would require any real work. They should have expected some of the ideas brought forth by the players to require code and graphics rewrites. Maybe someone should start a petition about CCP unwilling to fix issues requiring more than 10 min of coding.

P.S. I have messed with software code before and i do know that for this to be implemented it would take months of writing, checking, rewriting, etc.

That might be true if they didn't allready have a way to connect the POS's allready. (I understand the modular would take time and they should do it because that is how it should have been done in the first place) Go do a mission or visit a complex they have control towers hooked up to all kinds of stuff. They need to have POS's connect one way or another.

I tend to specialize in mission running so yes I have seen structures set up like this. However they are not "connected" in the sense that they work together to accomplish a purpose. No matter what the coding would take time to do as each array would need to be reworked with connection points, shield/armor/structure hp would need adjusting as obviously the shield is no more, etc . . .
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Esiel

Sun, 2 Nov 2009 18:50:00 +0000

Originally by: Tempest Inferno
CCP said no to a lot of stuff that would require any real work. They should have expected some of the ideas brought forth by the players to require code and graphics rewrites. Maybe someone should start a petition about CCP unwilling to fix issues requiring more than 10 min of coding.

P.S. I have messed with software code before and i do know that for this to be implemented it would take months of writing, checking, rewriting, etc.

That might be true if they didn't allready have a way to connect the POS's allready. (I understand the modular would take time and they should do it because that is how it should have been done in the first place) Go do a mission or visit a complex they have control towers hooked up to all kinds of stuff. They need to have POS's connect one way or another.

Off with your head

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Tempest Inferno

Sun, 2 Nov 2009 17:13:00 +0000

CCP said no to a lot of stuff that would require any real work. They should have expected some of the ideas brought forth by the players to require code and graphics rewrites. Maybe someone should start a petition about CCP unwilling to fix issues requiring more than 10 min of coding.

P.S. I have messed with software code before and i do know that for this to be implemented it would take months of writing, checking, rewriting, etc.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Syberbolt8

Sun, 2 Nov 2009 14:38:00 +0000

They said no, read the 2nd CSM min's, they call this the funky pos thing or something like that ... still Myself and prob Jinx, and quite a few others will be lobbying the dead horse for the next few years to come.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Deej Montana

Fri, 31 Oct 2009 23:03:00 +0000

If CCP is thinking of revamping the whole messy POS mechanic, an elegant and common sense solution like this should be at the top of their list for consideration.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Tempest Inferno

Fri, 31 Oct 2009 14:11:00 +0000

Have there been any updates on this issue? i dont read through the forums a lot due to my RL job.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by RedLion

Tue, 28 Oct 2009 10:30:00 +0000

This,

fuel bars

central "docking" with acess to all silo and fuel, and not having to offload silo to change content.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by NaMorham Santorin

Tue, 28 Oct 2009 02:21:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Voxis

Tue, 28 Oct 2009 00:43:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker
Hell I would run for CSM myself, and give CCP run for their money, but I do not want to sign the NDA, or make my name public for the video game.

You can't! You are EULA violator! You insulted CCP T0rfifrans by suggesting he should be dismissed from his position, and even more so, you suggested CCP will cover things up by sending poor T0rfi to rehab! So Enjoy your 14 day ban, and be a good little subscription payer next time, and accept what your CCP masters tell you.

/sarcasm off.

You got for it Jinx if they let you now with the forum ban on your record.

I fully support POS overhaul by the way.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Bagehi

Mon, 27 Oct 2009 16:24:00 +0000

Yeah, it sucks having to do an overhaul, but the current POS setup is just plain ugly, laggy, and a complicated mess. Fire-bomb it and start over.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Zathrus

Fri, 17 Oct 2009 13:22:00 +0000

Please Fix my POS

It is a P O S

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Fri, 17 Oct 2009 11:30:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Wait till the minutes are out like everybody else who raised an issue or had interest in some of them. The fact that you kept posting here and demanding an update gave you a bit, congratz. But you STILL have to wait for the minutes. Nobody on the CSM is going to break their NDA just because you want an update.

But thanks for proving to me that it was wrong of me to even give you an update on what was going on. I don't think that going to happen in the future like this, when people aren't being perfectly reasonable.

But let me once again point out I would LOVE to see this in game. And I'm pretty sure we will some day.

1) You do not see me being suspicious about the whole affair, and demanding answers as reasonable, especially since the "ball was dropped" once before, for whatever reason, and issue ignored, or sent too late or what not?

2) LaVista, you did not "give me an update" specifically, you did post for everyone that something has been received, and we should wait. If you read further, S.S. actually said in so many words that it was "useless since CCP gave definitive answer" - from which anyone with modi****if intelligence can glean where it leads, and what is going on. Then you came in and pretty much confirmed that "yea we could talk about i, but why, since CCP already told us .... "

The only reason I received replies from you guys is because I am a pushy bastard, and I pretty much called on CSM and CCP to provide answers continuously, for years with CCP, and for months with CSM, until someone said, lets shut him up, and throw him a bone. Just because I get a bone, does not make me happy, I want the whole steak, or in this case information, every bit of it.

No one wants to break the NDA, it is the question of why it has taken so bloody long in the first place to go to CCP, we know, we know, clerical error, and then why has it taken months to actually get any news at all... when, bring it up again, silly shit... gets pushed through?! The whole thing with the "dead horse," CCP, CSM and the way this been handled is purely Kafkaesque manner.

Anyway, as I said before, you did not respond to me, you responded to all of us, and do not feel bad for a second that when you did the right thing, you might have to feel slightly bad about it later - that is what happens, and what you did unlike so many other CSM was the right thing, even if I am shouting at you, and making you feel uncomfortable - I am shouting at CSM and CCP, it just so happens you are the guy who does the right thing and talks to the people, so you get the bayonet, you still get my vote later on kiddo.
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Fri, 17 Oct 2009 09:37:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker

You see what I have highlighted there? Well, the response has been received month or more ago, the discussion took place, and yet, you guys chose not to publish it why?

Because we had to have the CCP-CSM discussions first, then create the minutes, have them approved by CCP and then have the community team post them. Anything else would be a breach of the NDA. We didn't chose not to publish it, that's stupid to say.

You are basically telling me that the CSM should not care about the NDA and ruin the integrity that CSM has, because you want feedback from CCP.

I'm sorry, but you are *not* being reasonable.

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In my opinion this was and is the issue that 99% of EVE community can get behind, and yet, we have "musical instruments" - does this not make you shudder? Does this not make you appalled? Does this not make you angry?

Don't even get me started on the musical instruments in ambulation.

Seriously, I wish that they could just implement this. But hey, I'm not Hilmar.

But here's the deal:

Wait till the minutes are out like everybody else who raised an issue or had interest in some of them. The fact that you kept posting here and demanding an update gave you a bit, congratz. But you STILL have to wait for the minutes. Nobody on the CSM is going to break their NDA just because you want an update.

But thanks for proving to me that it was wrong of me to even give you an update on what was going on. I don't think that going to happen in the future like this, when people aren't being perfectly reasonable.

But let me once again point out I would LOVE to see this in game. And I'm pretty sure we will some day.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Fri, 17 Oct 2009 00:37:00 +0000

Edited by: Jinx Barker on 17/10/2008 00:42:21

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Also, it's baseless claims that it has been ignored and avoided by CCP. CCP gave us an answer, and there's nothing to discuss.

I am sorry, you mean just because the guys who made you sign NDA and paid for the trip to Iceland said "no" or something along those lines, there is NOTHING TO DISCUSS? I think something lost in translation here man, because there is plenty to discuss! That is the whole point of CSM to bring PRESSURE ON CCP ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY - no?

Not walk away with the tail between one's legs.

Originally by: LaVista Vista

There was open dialogue.

We were fully allowed to discuss it directly. But obviously there was no reason for it, due to the actual response. CCP is well aware that this is on the top of our wishlist, but we can't tie CCP's hands behind it's back and force them to do it either.

I'm sorry we couldn't do more than this. Sadly, I think it's a matter of bad expectations.

You see what I have highlighted there? Well, the response has been received month or more ago, the discussion took place, and yet, you guys chose not to publish it why?

Furthermore, there has been way too much "half-talk" from CSM about it, you clearly guys have bad news to give to EVE community from CCP, and yet, there was clear avoidance, or appearance of avoidance on CSM and CCP's part when it comes to this issue.

What I predict is that CCP simply gave you guys the same brush off as they did us a year ago, with "it is too much trouble to implement" and yet we have really proven them wrong in the original thread, and since then they simply ignored it.

In my opinion this was and is the issue that 99% of EVE community can get behind, and yet, we have "musical instruments" - does this not make you shudder? Does this not make you appalled? Does this not make you angry?

Basically what I have gathered from S.S and your responses is this: You spoke with CCP and CCP told you to screw off. And you guys were unable to come here and tell us outright so we can follow up with additional pressure on CCP.

For the first time in five years I am really upset at CCP, at their covert attempts at manipulation of their mistakes, and at continual subversion that they have exercised on many occasions. It is definitely not the same company that made EVE Online in 2003, and are not the same people.

By not making even an effort to come out and talk to the community regarding the "dead horse" issue, and by tying your CSM hands when it come to clear, concise, and truthful account about your communications with CCP it proves to me that pretty much all is lost.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Privacy Policy

Wed, 15 Oct 2009 11:37:00 +0000

Implement ASAP!!!

I went on the test server a while back just to learn how to set up a POS. What a NIGHTMARE!!!

A POS should look similar to a station, not like a bunch of floating space debris!!

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Odetta Harpy

Wed, 15 Oct 2009 10:01:00 +0000

Didnt notice the pretty pictures, all i have to say is, NICE.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Wed, 15 Oct 2009 08:13:00 +0000

Originally by: Mulco

But what happened to the open dialog that you advertised as ground breaking steps towards an virtual democracy. All i see is a CSM that has it's hands tied behind its back, being forced to refer to the dead horse in related discussions as it apparently was not allowed to be discused directly.

There was open dialogue.

We were fully allowed to discuss it directly. But obviously there was no reason for it, due to the actual response. CCP is well aware that this is on the top of our wishlist, but we can't tie CCP's hands behind it's back and force them to do it either.

I'm sorry we couldn't do more than this. Sadly, I think it's a matter of bad expectations.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Wed, 15 Oct 2009 08:11:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker

What? You kidding me? Why were we not told the CCP response? What happened, are we getting screwed again by CCP?
Why did not CSM notify us as to the content of CCP's response? Isn't CSM duty to the players of this game, and oversight the CCP's actions and to bring suggestions?

You need to lay it all out for us, there has been to many half-words, and double takes with regards to POS/Dead Horse/CCP/CSM - this is the only issue I have seen thus far THOROUGHLY ignored or AVOIDED BY CCP.

You are completely overreacting here.

Look, the minutes will eventually be out(I have no idea when they will, but I'm sure they are being worked on). Please wait for those, as I hate to actually disclose things before they are actually official. I don't want to upset anybody.

As it has been stated tons of times before, the initial response from CCP plus whatever extra there is to add from our meetings, will be posted together in the official minutes.

Also, it's baseless claims that it has been ignored and avoided by CCP. CCP gave us an answer, and there's nothing to discuss.

However, as Serenity said, CCP was interested in the actual suggestion and there was talk about the actual thing in regards to small anchorable structures. So we might see it being put in there.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Serenity Steele

Tue, 14 Oct 2009 18:25:00 +0000

Originally by: Mulco
This. Its crap like this that is breaking the bubble known as player democracy.

And CCP, i know that the CSM where never supposed to have any power over game design and it's purpose are only to present the opinions of the player base.
But what happened to the open dialog that you advertised as ground breaking steps towards an virtual democracy. All i see is a CSM that has it's hands tied behind its back, being forced to refer to the dead horse in related discussions as it apparently was not allowed to be discused directly.

You mis-understand. It's simply too-hard-basket technically for CCP to re-write and re-generate art work to make it happen.

So we refered to it in other proposals such as small anchorable structures - where there is no existing art-work, so that at least removes one barrier.

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Mulco

Tue, 14 Oct 2009 00:11:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Jinx Barker

he he he... I figured, at least answer me this: Was the "DEAD HORSE" discussed? If it was discussed, we will hear, at some point, what the deal is. That is all I want to know at this moment.

It wasn't discussed directly due to CCP's initial response. However, it WAS refered to quite a few times in discussion about other mechanics.

This. Its crap like this that is breaking the bubble known as player democracy.
And CCP, i know that the CSM where never supposed to have any power over game design and it's purpose are only to present the opinions of the player base.
But what happened to the open dialog that you advertised as ground breaking steps towards an virtual democracy. All i see is a CSM that has it's hands tied behind its back, being forced to refer to the dead horse in related discussions as it apparently was not allowed to be discused directly.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by K'Talas Marta

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 22:23:00 +0000

No kidding, that's a crock of crap. Wasn't directly discussed, that's useful, and what pray tell was this referred to from, new sov system? research? that's a crap answer. CCP is going to have a lot of mad POS's runners if this doesn't go through, or they don't explain why it's not going to happen, assuming its not.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 20:33:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Jinx Barker

he he he... I figured, at least answer me this: Was the "DEAD HORSE" discussed? If it was discussed, we will hear, at some point, what the deal is. That is all I want to know at this moment.

It wasn't discussed directly due to CCP's initial response. However, it WAS refered to quite a few times in discussion about other mechanics.

What? You kidding me? Why were we not told the CCP response? What happened, are we getting screwed again by CCP?
Why did not CSM notify us as to the content of CCP's response? Isn't CSM duty to the players of this game, and oversight the CCP's actions and to bring suggestions?

You need to lay it all out for us, there has been to many half-words, and double takes with regards to POS/Dead Horse/CCP/CSM - this is the only issue I have seen thus far THOROUGHLY ignored or AVOIDED BY CCP.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Hugh Ruka

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 11:52:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Jinx Barker

Next Weekend? When? The 11th and 12th? or the 18th and 19th? That way I will be here shortly after to hear my answers.

Because, from what you have said, CCP does not appear to be too "enthused" about doing this... unless I have misinterpreted what you have written, which I think I have not.

In any event, whatever the news, keep us updated, we can start a threadnought later - worked for goons didn't it?

On the 11th we will be having the (hopefully) last CSM-CCP meeting for this round. We have issues which weren't discussed inside our window of oppertunity with CCP last weekend, so it will be next weekend.

To be fair against CCP, the last month or two has been the conference season(I for one spent a weekend far away from home, due to my attendance in one of the said conferences). CCP Obviously sent their employees there. This means that people like Noah(CCP Hammer) weren't available during the weekends after the initial response. Thus, it had to be post-poned till these 2 weekends.

Prior to the meeting we had Saturday, we had some very interesting discussions(And lots of absurd jokes) on how to thrust forward CSM and take it to the next level. Dr. EyjoG, Greyscale and Hammer(head) especially seemed very enthusiastic about CSM, which was really nice.

So I would certainly not give up hope. The wait is over very soon hopefully. Sadly, when coordinating these kinds of things, not only with 7+ CSM members, but also a large company like CCP, it's bound to be a slow process. But that's just the way it is.

well looking at CCPs obsession with Ambulation, which is a completely unneeded feature from game perspetive and totaly ignoring this issue for well over a year, I am not very optimistic.

seems to me that this horse will wither to dust before CCP even acknowledges the idea ...
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jaala Creed

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 10:52:00 +0000

This is a really good idea and really something that "feels" like Eve. :)

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 06:30:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker

he he he... I figured, at least answer me this: Was the "DEAD HORSE" discussed? If it was discussed, we will hear, at some point, what the deal is. That is all I want to know at this moment.

It wasn't discussed directly due to CCP's initial response. However, it WAS refered to quite a few times in discussion about other mechanics.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by K'Talas Marta

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 03:37:00 +0000

I can't wait for a response to this either, hope its good news, would hate to see we lobbied for this for 2 years just to see it all go down the drain.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Mon, 13 Oct 2009 01:23:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Jinx Barker
I am not sure about anyone else but I am excited... within the next 24-48 hours we will finally hear what CCP and CSM talked about in regards to this ongoing issue - more than two years spent posting about it, something finally will get done!

Lets hope.

Don't hold your breath.

The minutes has to go trough CCP for approval.

he he he... I figured, at least answer me this: Was the "DEAD HORSE" discussed? If it was discussed, we will hear, at some point, what the deal is. That is all I want to know at this moment.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Sun, 12 Oct 2009 21:58:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker
I am not sure about anyone else but I am excited... within the next 24-48 hours we will finally hear what CCP and CSM talked about in regards to this ongoing issue - more than two years spent posting about it, something finally will get done!

Lets hope.

Don't hold your breath.

The minutes has to go trough CCP for approval.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Amandrace

Sun, 12 Oct 2009 21:07:00 +0000

Signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Kransthow

Sun, 12 Oct 2009 00:27:00 +0000

SUPPORT FOR A POS THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE A SPACE STATION

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sat, 11 Oct 2009 21:27:00 +0000

I am not sure about anyone else but I am excited... within the next 24-48 hours we will finally hear what CCP and CSM talked about in regards to this ongoing issue - more than two years spent posting about it, something finally will get done!

Lets hope.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Wed, 8 Oct 2009 11:15:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker

Next Weekend? When? The 11th and 12th? or the 18th and 19th? That way I will be here shortly after to hear my answers.

Because, from what you have said, CCP does not appear to be too "enthused" about doing this... unless I have misinterpreted what you have written, which I think I have not.

In any event, whatever the news, keep us updated, we can start a threadnought later - worked for goons didn't it?

On the 11th we will be having the (hopefully) last CSM-CCP meeting for this round. We have issues which weren't discussed inside our window of oppertunity with CCP last weekend, so it will be next weekend.

To be fair against CCP, the last month or two has been the conference season(I for one spent a weekend far away from home, due to my attendance in one of the said conferences). CCP Obviously sent their employees there. This means that people like Noah(CCP Hammer) weren't available during the weekends after the initial response. Thus, it had to be post-poned till these 2 weekends.

Prior to the meeting we had Saturday, we had some very interesting discussions(And lots of absurd jokes) on how to thrust forward CSM and take it to the next level. Dr. EyjoG, Greyscale and Hammer(head) especially seemed very enthusiastic about CSM, which was really nice.

So I would certainly not give up hope. The wait is over very soon hopefully. Sadly, when coordinating these kinds of things, not only with 7+ CSM members, but also a large company like CCP, it's bound to be a slow process. But that's just the way it is.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Tue, 7 Oct 2009 11:46:00 +0000

Edited by: Jinx Barker on 07/10/2008 11:47:56

Originally by: Jade Constantine

I'll give you an update:

We submitted the issue to CCP.
CCP responded with an answer to the CSM.
We will be discussing that answer with them next weekend 15:00.
The initial answer + additional notes from the live discussion will be released the following week pending CCP approval.

Of course I'm not running again in the next election :)

But seriously its nobodies fault in the current CSM that this has taken a long time. We did get a provisional answer - we didn't like it that much, we're going to be asking questions - you'll get the skinny when we've had the discussion with CCP next weekend.

Sorry to be blunt but there it is.

Next Weekend? When? The 11th and 12th? or the 18th and 19th? That way I will be here shortly after to hear my answers.

Because, from what you have said, CCP does not appear to be too "enthused" about doing this... unless I have misinterpreted what you have written, which I think I have not.

In any event, whatever the news, keep us updated, we can start a threadnought later - worked for goons didn't it?

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jade Constantine

Mon, 6 Oct 2009 14:40:00 +0000

Originally by: Jinx Barker
Come on CCP - stop hiding, and come out and tell us when this is going to be done.

And, CSM, seems that LvV is the only one who actually keeps us updated... where the hell are you? Come out and tell us why in the world you have not pushed this with CCP hard enough?

I mean, come on, other issues made, and were heard about and this thing has ben just hanging here.

I do not think this is the best way for you guys to appear in the upcoming elections....

I'll give you an update:

We submitted the issue to CCP.
CCP responded with an answer to the CSM.
We will be discussing that answer with them next weekend 15:00.
The initial answer + additional notes from the live discussion will be released the following week pending CCP approval.

Of course I'm not running again in the next election :)

But seriously its nobodies fault in the current CSM that this has taken a long time. We did get a provisional answer - we didn't like it that much, we're going to be asking questions - you'll get the skinny when we've had the discussion with CCP next weekend.

Sorry to be blunt but there it is.

... nothing ever burns down by itself

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by K'Tala

Mon, 6 Oct 2009 12:51:00 +0000

/signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Merawen

Mon, 6 Oct 2009 00:48:00 +0000

/sign

Mera

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sun, 5 Oct 2009 02:23:00 +0000

Come on CCP - stop hiding, and come out and tell us when this is going to be done.

And, CSM, seems that LvV is the only one who actually keeps us updated... where the hell are you? Come out and tell us why in the world you have not pushed this with CCP hard enough?

I mean, come on, other issues made, and were heard about and this thing has ben just hanging here.

I do not think this is the best way for you guys to appear in the upcoming elections....

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Seth Ruin

Sat, 4 Oct 2009 23:03:00 +0000

I hope this silliness gets fixed. I'm sick of slow-boating all around the POS, wondering all the while, "Why would anyone in their right mind put these so far apart?"

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Col Callahan

Sat, 4 Oct 2009 05:50:00 +0000

I have for a long time supported this idea and have high hopes for its implementation this X-Mass.

/Signed
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Clusters shut down, and then you stare at a black screen for 5 hours.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Thu, 2 Oct 2009 22:57:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista

Well, the current CSM isn't done before November. So there's no problem in terms of time. We still have 2 meetings to be had, so we will get you an answer.

Right now, I can't do much other than lobbying for this "issue" we are seeing atm, to be resolved. But the bottleneck is with CCP at present.

Sorry

EDIT: I sent a mail out out to the CSM and our dear CSM admin in order to get this thing going. It's silly really.

I agree with you man, and I appreciate the updates, as I am sure other do as well, at least we know someone is out there trying to solve a problem.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Letri Bimmet

Thu, 2 Oct 2009 21:45:00 +0000

/signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Thu, 2 Oct 2009 05:31:00 +0000

Well, the current CSM isn't done before November. So there's no problem in terms of time. We still have 2 meetings to be had, so we will get you an answer.

Right now, I can't do much other than lobbying for this "issue" we are seeing atm, to be resolved. But the bottleneck is with CCP at present.

Sorry

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Arturus Vex

Thu, 2 Oct 2009 04:27:00 +0000

/civic duty

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jones 1st

Wed, 1 Oct 2009 23:30:00 +0000

make this happen

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Wed, 1 Oct 2009 23:00:00 +0000

Edited by: Jinx Barker on 01/10/2008 23:08:22

Ok guys this has been going for such a long time? I mean come the hell on! Current CSM is almost done with their terms and all bunch of idiotic things were discussed and talked with CCP, including - MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS? WTFBBQ?

And this issue, having had an overwhelming support for over 2 (TWO) YEARS now still getting shafted on regular basis by CCP? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON? Am I the only one even remotely upset by this bull-shit?

I suggest all those who have waited, voted, supported, and been patient come here and start letting some people know this is no way to do business.

I mean, come the hell on! CCP AND CSM - Lets hear what has been going on with this!

I might want to add this:

Those of you who are going to fanfest, please bring this issue up with the current Developer team, it seem that this particular thing has been a big ugly white elephant in the room that everyone at CCP has been working hard to ignore.

They would respond to the stupidest thing on this forums, and they have only said something to us about the issue in the original thread on pager 13... and well over a year ago!

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Domina Brutalis

Mon, 29 Sep 2009 11:06:00 +0000

O.o !!! /signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sat, 27 Sep 2009 13:18:00 +0000

Originally by: Aaru
Edited by: Aaru on 27/09/2008 03:44:46
Look at the new animation on the front page. Looks awfully similar a modulated POS if you ask me.

It is not new I have seen i before, but only as picture still.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Aaru

Sat, 27 Sep 2009 03:44:00 +0000

Edited by: Aaru on 27/09/2008 03:44:46
Look at the new animation on the front page. Looks awfully similar a modulated POS if you ask me.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sat, 27 Sep 2009 02:09:00 +0000

So, what's up CSM, any new info yet?

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Corduroy Rab

Fri, 26 Sep 2009 14:40:00 +0000

Wasn't aware of this idea until just now, but i like it.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Flichette

Fri, 26 Sep 2009 12:57:00 +0000

I've loved this idea since it was posted.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Kazuma Saruwatari

Wed, 24 Sep 2009 08:03:00 +0000

about fricking time!
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Raymond Sterns

Wed, 24 Sep 2009 06:41:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Dr Prometheus

Tue, 23 Sep 2009 14:00:00 +0000

Now THATS what i call a POS, not that stick with some thingys around it. (And for implemantations: Just convert all the POSs into the new form, randomly. but offcourse with the modules they put on to it.)

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Reithan

Mon, 22 Sep 2009 16:00:00 +0000

Awww yeah.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Ralle030583

Mon, 22 Sep 2009 12:06:00 +0000

/signed
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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Drac Asiv

Mon, 22 Sep 2009 01:54:00 +0000

Sounds good

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by stadshage

Mon, 22 Sep 2009 00:57:00 +0000

it got my vote

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Mon, 22 Sep 2009 00:39:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
No, not at all.

But right now there's some issues with planning a meeitng with CCP for discussing these issues. Thus, we can't do a whole lot right now.

Until then, I'm afraid I can't say anymore.

Also, I swear I posted here 3 days ago

Ok, thank you for an update. I guess we will wait.. Still I would like to know as to what difficulties you guys are having with CCP, especially if it might affect this ongoing issue.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Sun, 21 Sep 2009 08:12:00 +0000

No, not at all.

But right now there's some issues with planning a meeitng with CCP for discussing these issues. Thus, we can't do a whole lot right now.

Until then, I'm afraid I can't say anymore.

Also, I swear I posted here 3 days ago

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sun, 21 Sep 2009 01:51:00 +0000

Someone from CSM needs to come over here again and actually tell us what they heard from CCP, on this issue.

This is Day 9, since you guys heard something from CCP, 9 Days is more than enough to pass along the information.... or are we screwing around again, and the issues miraculously "slipped through the cracks, again."

Come on guys, don't make me bump this thread over and over and over over and over again......

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Fri, 19 Sep 2009 21:40:00 +0000

Ok CSM is has been 8 Days, since we heard: "we will check on possible NDA issue."

What is the CCP's answer to this ongoing issue?

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by RedLion

Thu, 18 Sep 2009 03:37:00 +0000

Again, as many years back in suggestion forum! I support this!

POSs needs more work!

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[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Wed, 17 Sep 2009 22:08:00 +0000

Don't mind me, I am just bumping this thread - and making sure it stays on the FIRST PAGE, so that it would not just slip away....

I hope some statement is forthcoming, .

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Tue, 16 Sep 2009 11:33:00 +0000

/me waves hand in the air like mad...

11th is when we last heard from CSM, today is 16th. So, it has been five days. They have heard something from CCP, and LaVista is verifying it with them (CCP), to make sure that there are no NDA issues.

I figured, I will give it till Friday the 19th to hear what is up - 8 days, at that point, is more than enough to get the information sorted.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Gieron

Tue, 16 Sep 2009 10:39:00 +0000

/signed

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Ice Baby

Tue, 16 Sep 2009 09:18:00 +0000

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Adding bounty will not make it easier to kill me.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Aaru

Sat, 13 Sep 2009 17:10:00 +0000

Why isn't this implemented yet?

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Sat, 13 Sep 2009 15:28:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
We have heard from them. But it's a preliminary answer which I'm not sure if is covered under NDA or not. So I won't say anything till I'm sure.

So, did you clarify the NDA issue with CCP, where are we here?

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Foulque

Thu, 11 Sep 2009 06:57:00 +0000

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Thu, 11 Sep 2009 03:42:00 +0000

We have heard from them. But it's a preliminary answer which I'm not sure if is covered under NDA or not. So I won't say anything till I'm sure.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Thu, 11 Sep 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
We were supposed to be getting a preliminary response from CCP today at midday. But they have not yet let us hear from them. So right now, I don't know much. But you will get a response inside a week or two at max I think.

You have not heard from them at all? Or have you heard on some issues and not on others?

If you have not heard from them at all, it is not a big deal, since I would give them a while to go through the list and do their stuff - however - if you have heard something on other issues, and nothing on this, well, then I be starting a riot soon, with pitch forks, and tar, and feathers.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by GeneticFailure

Tue, 9 Sep 2009 20:47:00 +0000

supported

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by LaVista Vista

Tue, 9 Sep 2009 16:52:00 +0000

We were supposed to be getting a preliminary response from CCP today at midday. But they have not yet let us hear from them. So right now, I don't know much. But you will get a response inside a week or two at max I think.

[Issue] POS: Flogging the Dead Horse Be Recommended for Implementation - by Jinx Barker

Tue, 9 Sep 2009 11:27:00 +0000

Originally by: LaVista Vista
We have not yet send our second batch of issues to CCP. It was supposed to be included in the first, but there was made a mistake, which made it not arrive on time.

When is your second CSM-CCP meeting? Please keep us updated.